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Vann7 wrote:For example the Governor/PM of lugansk is a Jew
Who? Moskal or Plonitsiky?
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The Situation in the Ukraine. #16
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Who? Moskal or Plonitsiky?
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JohninMK wrote:All good when viewed from Kiev
KIEV (Sputnik) – The number of government troops deployed in the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine has reached 60,000 servicemen, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday. "We have increased the number of our troops in the zone of special anti-terrorism operation to 60,000 servicemen," Poroshenko said in an interview with the Inter television. Poroshenko stressed that the Ukrainian authorities have made strong efforts to arm the units with new or repaired military equipment, to train the personnel in line with Western experience, and to improve logistics and financial support of Ukrainian soldiers.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150626/1023899047.html#ixzz3eByByIdV
You see what I'm talking about. Under ceasefire, Maidan can train new soldiers many times faster than NAF can. Maidan has way more training ground and has western instructors. Meanwhile, NAF is forbidden from using training grounds in Russia and Russia does not train NAF. That's why I said Minsk benefits Maidan, not NAF.
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Pfffft, 60,000 soldiers is nothing to brag about. Syria has what? 200,000 soldiers. 
Poro lies so much no one believes a word from his foul mouth 
Poro lies so much no one believes a word from his foul mouth 
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In Budyonovsky they say they can hear bombardment in the distance. In that part of Donetsk they should not be able to hear any bombardment unless it is heavy artillery, Pion, maybe Msta, in battery fire, and certainly not mere mortars. Also fighting reported north of Krasny Partizan. Another weekend of ukrops deadly trolling I guess...
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Flagship Victory wrote:Pfffft, 60,000 soldiers is nothing to brag about. Syria has what? 200,000 soldiers.
Donbass is much smaller than Syria. 60,000 soldiers is sufficient to keep Novorossiya from expanding.
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Pfffft, 60,000 soldiers is nothing to brag about. Syria has what? 200,000 soldiers.
Donbass is much smaller than Syria. 60,000 soldiers is sufficient to keep Novorossiya from expanding.
Even if the 60,000 number is accurate, which I highly doubt, how many of them are on the front? Not even 10%. Most soldiers are behind the front as part of supply lines or guarding. You recall, after Maidan lost only a few hundred soldiers they have to do another round of mobilization
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Khepesh wrote:In Budyonovsky they say they can hear bombardment in the distance. In that part of Donetsk they should not be able to hear any bombardment unless it is heavy artillery, Pion, maybe Msta, in battery fire, and certainly not mere mortars. Also fighting reported north of Krasny Partizan. Another weekend of ukrops deadly trolling I guess...
Pions most likely. Only Pions have such a range. Pions have been seen moved to the front recently.
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auslander wrote:Khepesh wrote:"kotych" retracted his post about Shirokino and apologised for being too hasty.
I still think 5-6 weeks before war, but will not be surprised if it happens any day now and could even be the result of something unplanned, war is full of unexpected surprises.
I agree, one can feel the building pressure, every day the bombardments are a little stronger, every day the attacks are a little stronger, every day more troops and weapons appear along the line on Ukrops side. Both Minsk agreements were simply to stop NAF from successful conclusions of ongoing battles and give ukrop a breather. It worked both times. When the attack does come, and it will come, it's going to be hard on our boys but I have no doubts the boys will prevail.
And this is why best course of action for NAF is to dig in and wait, shelling be damned. Ukrops will have to go on the offensive because it is their only means of survival as a ideological entity. When they do attack it is NAF that will have advantage of defense and we know they achieved their greatest successes during counter offensives.
They must continue to play to their strengths.
Like I said before, as long as Donbass stands Ukraine is stuck in limbo. More time passes, worse off they are and at the same time opposite is true for Russia. In the near future (if they keep current course and stay cool-headed) Russia will be completely financially independent. This will translate into huge geopolitical potential and give them freedom to influence events on the ground in a way that now simply is not possible.
And by then Ukraine will be reduced to a decomposed carcase desperate for any way out.
When that happens Russia will be able to get practically whole place for fraction of a political and monetary price that would have had to be payed now and that means we will have lot more than 2 people's republics in what is now Ukrane and most powerful of those will be DNR and LPR.
Down the road, it is entirely possible that it is EU that will be stuck with paying the bill for this mess while Russia gets everything else...
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Also, we hear a lot about ukrops getting ready for offensive but any news on NAF preparations? Are they getting ready for what comes next? Any new gear? News on those TOS-1s? If we know what coming then they definitely know, hope they stay sharp because whole thing is about to go to hell in hand basket...
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Анатолий Шарий wrote:Gumanitarka. As a fail humiliated?
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PapaDragon wrote:And this is why best course of action for NAF is to dig in and wait, shelling be damned. Ukrops will have to go on the offensive because it is their only means of survival as a ideological entity.
No, they don't. Or at least Poroshenko and his government do not who have unofficially acknowledged that they cannot reconquer the Donbas.
They are satisfied by low-level fighting which keeps the Ukrainians distracted.
As long as the West supports them, they will continue with this strategy.
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EU is going to squeeze shamelessly Ukrainians for every and each one of those loans Kiev is taking.PapaDragon wrote:Down the road, it is entirely possible that it is EU that will be stuck with paying the bill for this mess while Russia gets everything else...
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Pfffft, 60,000 soldiers is nothing to brag about. Syria has what? 200,000 soldiers.
Donbass is much smaller than Syria. 60,000 soldiers is sufficient to keep Novorossiya from expanding.
Novorussian army have similar number of soldiers, so they are more or less equal. Also Ukrainian army already lost around 50.000 soldiers. If you exclude nazis, majority of ukrainian soldiers are mobilized by force with no will and moral to fight, while Novorussian army have very high will and moral to fight and defend themselves. Also they don't need Russian instructors, they have enough experienced and competent commanders and officers to train and lead their units.
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:And this is why best course of action for NAF is to dig in and wait, shelling be damned. Ukrops will have to go on the offensive because it is their only means of survival as a ideological entity.
No, they don't. Or at least Poroshenko and his government do not who have unofficially acknowledged that they cannot reconquer the Donbas.
They are satisfied by low-level fighting which keeps the Ukrainians distracted.
As long as the West supports them, they will continue with this strategy.
Good, as long as this thing lasts Ukraine remains European Syria/Iraq. To survive, Ukraine needs infinitely more money than they are getting now.
No victory-no money...
whir wrote:EU is going to squeeze shamelessly Ukrainians for every and each one of those loans Kiev is taking.PapaDragon wrote:Down the road, it is entirely possible that it is EU that will be stuck with paying the bill for this mess while Russia gets everything else...
Excellent, lessons need to be learned and examples need to be made... dumb fvcks need to understand that you do not get away with Nazism in 21st century.
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PapaDragon wrote:Good, as long as this thing lasts Ukraine remains European Syria/Iraq. To survive, Ukraine needs infinitely more money than they are getting now.
No victory-no money...
There is no need for victory. Kiev gets support because its a proxy against Russia.
As long as Russia is perceived as a threat to European ambitions, Kiev will continue to receive support.
Of course, whether it will be enough is another question.
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Good, as long as this thing lasts Ukraine remains European Syria/Iraq. To survive, Ukraine needs infinitely more money than they are getting now.
No victory-no money...
There is no need for victory. Kiev gets support because its a proxy against Russia.
As long as Russia is perceived as a threat to European ambitions, Kiev will continue to receive support.
Of course, whether it will be enough is another question.
Considering Syria is holding its own after 4 years of brutal full scale war, I would say NAF currently poses no threat to Maidan. Casualty in Ukraine is very small compared to in Syria. NAF territory is very small compared to insurgent territory in Syria. NAF is not allowed to attack Maidan. Therefore, I see Maidan functioning as a blockade, make Russian people angry. Anger is bad for health.
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PapaDragon wrote:dumb fvcks need to understand that you do not get away with Nazism in 21st century.
Sadly the ones who actively supported Nazism in the 20th century are now the ones who "rule the world" in the 21st century, aka the USA.
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Maidan says Maidan arrested a Berkut commander accused of shooting Maidan at Maidan.
https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/berkut-commander-involved-in-shootings-on-maidan-detained-392111.html
https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/berkut-commander-involved-in-shootings-on-maidan-detained-392111.html
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Flagship Victory wrote:NAF territory is very small compared to insurgent territory in Syria.
On the other hand, the Donbass rebels control the regional capitals since the very beginning of the fighting.
Flagship Victory wrote:NAF is not allowed to attack Maidan. Therefore, I see Maidan functioning as a blockade, make Russian people angry. Anger is bad for health.
That is true. Blockade and terror do a good job at slowly weakening the other side.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:
The US perfectly knows Putin's personality. They know he is a very emotional person. They anticipated Putin would absorb Crimea on emotions. Putin fell right into their trap. Because of this, Putin is branded as the evil Putler in the west and Russia is branded as the Third Reich in the west.It was planned all along. Years in the making.
What utter shit. Its crystal clear that Russian support for Crimean secession caught the US unawares. They fully expected that Russia would not dare to get involved and that Ukraine would remain unified after the putsch so that Russian military agreements over Crimea could be abrogated, and that ultimately, US/NATO forces could move in to occupy the peninsula. US rage over the Russian temerity to act in defense of her vital interests stands in clear testimony to this fact.
As for your absurd assertions that Putin is "emotional"... well f*ck me, i don't even know where to start. If there is a world leader who knows how to keep a calm measured composed demeanour and to carefully measure their response to provocations, it has to be Putin.
You're simply off the planet. What are the Harperites putting into the water over there in Canuckistan????????
Yep.
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Good, as long as this thing lasts Ukraine remains European Syria/Iraq. To survive, Ukraine needs infinitely more money than they are getting now.
No victory-no money...
There is no need for victory. Kiev gets support because its a proxy against Russia.
As long as Russia is perceived as a threat to European ambitions, Kiev will continue to receive support.
Of course, whether it will be enough is another question.
Yes Kiev will continue to receive support for war.
And at the same time Ukrainians will experience huge economic growth, high living standards, large foreign investments, low emigration, excellent and affordable health-care, cheap education, high life expectancy, low crime-rates, cheap gas and electricity and other utilities, low unemployment, 6 digits income, social stability, non-existent corruption, personal, political and media freedoms, etc, etc, etc.....
It will be happy and satisfied population living Utopia that will make Norway look like Somalia, all payed for, in full, by all that surplus cash from highly united, increasingly stable and economically prosperous EU...
See the problem in Kiev's game plan?
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:NAF territory is very small compared to insurgent territory in Syria.
On the other hand, the Donbass rebels control the regional capitals since the very beginning of the fighting.Flagship Victory wrote:NAF is not allowed to attack Maidan. Therefore, I see Maidan functioning as a blockade, make Russian people angry. Anger is bad for health.
That is true. Blockade and terror do a good job at slowly weakening the other side.
Wasn't capital of Donetsk oblast moved to Mariupol?
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PapaDragon wrote:See the problem in Kiev's game plan?
As long as Kiev is able to suppress and discredit any serious opposition in its territory, it does not matter how much the living standards in Ukraine sink.
Flagship Victory wrote:Wasn't capital of Donetsk oblast moved to Mariupol?
The capital of the Ukrainian Donetsk oblast was moved.
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NAF training in LPR. Anyone know what sort of RPG at 1:25? RPG-26?
German volunteer in the Vostok battalion
German volunteer in the Vostok battalion
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Cowboy's daughter wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:
The US perfectly knows Putin's personality. They know he is a very emotional person. They anticipated Putin would absorb Crimea on emotions. Putin fell right into their trap. Because of this, Putin is branded as the evil Putler in the west and Russia is branded as the Third Reich in the west.
What utter shit. Its crystal clear that Russian support for Crimean secession caught the US unawares. They fully expected that Russia would not dare to get involved and that Ukraine would remain unified after the putsch so that Russian military agreements over Crimea could be abrogated, and that ultimately, US/NATO forces could move in to occupy the peninsula. US rage over the Russian temerity to act in defense of her vital interests stands in clear testimony to this fact.
As for your absurd assertions that Putin is "emotional"... well f*ck me, i don't even know where to start. If there is a world leader who knows how to keep a calm measured composed demeanour and to carefully measure their response to provocations, it has to be Putin.
You're simply off the planet. What are the Harperites putting into the water over there in Canuckistan????????
Yep.
First time ever, I blocked him and his buddy yesterday.
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Gee your a late bloomer, I blocked him about 48 hours after signing up!auslander wrote:
First time ever, I blocked him and his buddy yesterday.
I think they are from other forums come here to spread misinformation.