The Situation in the Ukraine. #17

Cowboy's daughter wrote:This is what this says, but is it?
Is this Kiev? Was it filmed on July 10, 2015? and is this Ukraine Army troops being sent to defend Kiev against Right Sector???

Is this an old video? It looks familiar.


Ukraine Army Sends in Troops to Defend Kiev Against Right Sector Insurgents 10 July 2015

Old video, last year I think, possibly August.

Events in Mukachevo July 11, 2015



Sound is muted in some parts of the video, but it's obvious it was Right Sector thugs who opened fire at police at 7:25. Interestingly, at least one of RS cars has Czech EU license plates.



Police car is damaged beyond recognition already, but blue license plates - police car.

Will be interesting to watch this shitstorm unfold.

whir wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:This is what this says, but is it?

Parade material, what was real was the mobilisation las night of several buses with troops to protect administration complex in central Kiev.

Thanks, whir.

Do y'all think Poroshenko may be asked by U.S. to step down? and Yats put in his place, and would he step down???

Interestingly, at least one of RS cars has Czech EU license plates.

^^^^
Stolen??

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Do y'all think Poroshenko may be asked by U.S. to step down? and Yats put in his place, and would he step down???

Yats is too unpopular. Porky will remain in charge.

Cowboy's daughter wrote: Interestingly, at least one of RS cars has Czech EU license plates.

^^^^
Stolen??

And another has Polish license plates. The one with the mounted gun on its back.

EDIT: So apparently it's just cheaper to have them registered on EU license plates.

Situation is far from being calm IMHO: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/12/07/2015/55a24c179a7947e696d515d9

Several training bases in Western Ukraine, lots in Lviv, are being blocked by the military (National Guard I suppose). One of the RS leaders, by the name Aleksandr Byk, threatened an armed resistance if Kiev decides to storm them. Here's also a video showing armed columns going to Mukachevo:



Right Sector are also calling on to build roadblocks and setup barricades on the highway between Kiev and Zhytomir in order to prevent the Ministry of Interior sending in additional support from Kiev.

Neutrality wrote:Situation is far from being calm IMHO: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/12/07/2015/55a24c179a7947e696d515d9

Several training bases in Western Ukraine, lots in Lviv, are being blocked by the military (National Guard I suppose). One of the RS leaders, by the name Aleksandr Byk, threatened an armed resistance if Kiev decides to storm them. Here's also a video showing armed columns going to Mukachevo:



Right Sector are also calling on to build roadblocks and setup barricades on the highway between Kiev and Zhytomir in order to prevent the Ministry of Interior sending in additional support from Kiev.

The video-shooters are shouting 'Hanba!'; which is Polish (and I presume Ukrainian too) for 'Shame!'

So they are trying to shame the Ukrop Army who are going after the Pravyj Sektor criminals?
Pravyj Sektor supporters? Or is it just that everyone there sympathises with Pravyj Sektor?

It's really confusing now what is actually happening. It is possible that people, the locals in the video shouting "shame", which is same in Ukranian and Polish, could be seeing pravy sektor as fighting against corrupt politicians and security forces as fighting for crimminals, and Lano is a convicted rapist. If so, it shows how confusing it all is as pravy sektor are also crimminal scum. But it does now seem that the situation escalates. Good, and let's cheer for pravy sektor, honestly  and stock up with popcorn.

flamming_python wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Situation is far from being calm IMHO: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/12/07/2015/55a24c179a7947e696d515d9

Several training bases in Western Ukraine, lots in Lviv, are being blocked by the military (National Guard I suppose). One of the RS leaders, by the name Aleksandr Byk, threatened an armed resistance if Kiev decides to storm them. Here's also a video showing armed columns going to Mukachevo:



Right Sector are also calling on to build roadblocks and setup barricades on the highway between Kiev and Zhytomir in order to prevent the Ministry of Interior sending in additional support from Kiev.

The video-shooters are shouting 'Hanba!'; which is Polish (and I presume Ukrainian too) for 'Shame!'

So they are trying to shame the Ukrop Army who are going after the Pravyj Sektor criminals?
Pravyj Sektor supporters? Or is it just that everyone there sympathises with Pravyj Sektor?

I think it's just civilians not liking the sight of guns in particular. Consider also for a moment the very unpopular mobilization wave a while ago in which many fathers and mothers lost their sons and now they despise the army. One thing I noticed from watching the videos about the PoWs in Donbass is that lots of them are from Western/Central Ukraine.

What is hilarious is the complete silence from western media. After browsing through main western MSM, all you can find is regular article demonizing Putin and Russian soldiers fleeing units in fear of deployment of Ukraine (as per Gazeta.ru).  Will be interesting to see how long will they be able to keep their silence... I bet many American diplomats are "involved in the negotiations", as the escalation of this situation can blow-up in the western faces.

I know this is probably considered off topic, but we talk about Ukraine being bankrupt and defaulting...

My relative in Finland brought this to my attention. & to me it's s c a r y!
What will be all the consequences??

Google translate:

"The euro project is doomed to end up really bad"

http://www.svd.se/europrojektet-ar-domt-att-sluta-riktigt-illa/om/grexit-hotet

Without the euro, Greece was not able to be disposed of today's deep crisis. It was predictable, but nobody wanted to see it. Now we all join and pay the cleaning after the party. It writes Professor Stefan Hedlund.
Fri, 10:00


A protester holding an EU flag and a Greek flag outside The Unknown Soldier in Athens, Greece. Photo: Emilio More Nighty / AP

Greece's imminent exit from monetary cooperation in the EU is a disaster just waiting to happen. The very advent should have been ominous. The euro was born of an unholy alliance between German Chancellor Helmuth Kohl and French President Francois Mitterrand. Kohl needed French support for German reunification. The price he paid was to accept the creation of a new European currency.

The German central bank, the Bundesbank, which then bore responsibility for the extremely strong German mark, was very critical of the de facto meant that even France (and other members of the currency union) would have the right to start pressing the D-mark, albeit with a other name. German taxpayers today has every reason to regret that they did not at that time listened more to the Bundesbank than Kohl. Estimates suggest that the bill for Germany of a Greek default could be a staggering 89 billion. Even French taxpayers will get a bout of the ladle, upwards of 60 billion euros.

Both the Germans and the French will certainly be able to put this behind them. Unfortunately, it is for the Greeks. After five years of advice from the "troika" (EU, ECB and IMF), Greece has lost 25 percent of GDP and the youth unemployment rate has been pushed up to 60 percent. What a state bankruptcy may mean is even hard to imagine, but it will not be a pretty sight. Probably should now both the Germans and the French, and all the other members of the EU, including those not participating in the euro, start to prepare humanitarian aid to Greece, where the vital social safety net is torn apart.

Was all this really necessary? It is striking that a number of renowned international economists, including Nobel laureates Paul Krugman and Joseph Stiglitz, uppanade Greeks to vote no in Sunday's referendum. The latter noted in an article in late June that he could not imagine any other cases of economic depression that has been so extensive and so deliberately provoked, and that it was amazing that the Troika ways to accept any kind of responsibility.

The fundamental problem with the euro was that it created a set of rules that everyone should have realized would not be followed, and where the rewards for breaking the rules was very real.

It has often been claimed that one reason for the euro crisis is not going to have monetary union without fiscal union. It is not entirely correct. Even without fiscal union, a monetary union could be made to work with the functioning rules on how national actors can pursue their fiscal policies, particularly on issues relating to budget deficits.

This was also tried by a kind of fiscal pact, but it sank immediately. By requesting exemptions to avoid politically own painful budget cuts showed both Germany and France that the rules did not apply to the large members. And later came to Greece to prove that the rules do not apply to small members either.

The lesson is that one should be very careful to create partnerships in which it is not possible to maintain a level playing field. It is particularly important in terms of financial markets, where players can take entire nations hostage and then force taxpayers to pay staggering ransoms.

Even more important, however, that monetary cooperation snapped together a group of countries that had among themselves widely differing social system, and therefore had no real chance to succeed with the cooperation resting on a common currency and interest rate policy.

There is a significant social science research on this issue, on the theme "Varieties of Capitalism". It shows that countries in Northern Europe have social institutions, primarily labor, which is considerably more flexible and therefore more productivity-enhancing than countries in southern Europe.

As long as each country had its own currency could compensate for poor productivity by regularly devaluing the currency. The euro project put a stop to this facility, thus creating a growing competitive advantage, mainly for German industry. During the initial phase, therefore, had both Germany and other strong economies in the north every reason to be satisfied. But it would not last long.

What not thought of was that their economic surpluses would be channeled to countries in the south, in the form of very cheap credit. The common currency has created stability, which meant lower interest rates, and the created credit ratings for countries that absolutely should not be allowed widespread access to international credit markets. Over time, increased credit to an extent where there were no longer any ability to repay.

Banks and other financial market participants borrowed liberally out of a firm conviction that the loans would ultimately guaranteed by German and French taxpayers, and in this they had the right place. As Stiglitz points out in his aforementioned article, recent very comprehensive emergency loans no means gone to Greece but mainly to bail out private players, in particular German and French banks, which in previous years engaged in reckless lending. It has therefore ensured that a Greek bankruptcy will not affect banks, but mainly taxpayers.

The Greeks had some fun years when it was thought that the scope for consumption was practically unlimited. In the last five years have been painfully aware of the opposite. And it's not just Greece. The consequences for a number of countries in the south have become major economic austerity, fall in GDP and a disastrous youth unemployment. This is likely to lead to extreme political parties will grow like mushrooms in the rain.

Euro project was fun while it lasted. This created the illusion that the EU was a major economic power, and it generated huge economic gains ... for a while. But it was bound to end badly. Without the euro, Greece was not able to be disposed of today's deep crisis. It was predictable, but nobody wanted to see it. Now we all join and pay the cleaning after the party. And the more those responsible in the north dedicated to demonize the victims, the greater the likelihood that we will suffer very unpleasant political backlash.

Stefan Hedlund

Professor of Eastern European Research at Uppsala University
Stefan Hedlund

Right Sector threatens to brings 17 battalions to Kiev for tough talk with authorities

http://tass.ru/en/world/807953

The press secretary said the nationalists would continue their protest rallies until Interior Minister Arsen Avakov is dismissed

KIEV, July 12. /TASS/. Ukraine’s extremist organisation, Right Sector, is not going to lay arms and will demonstrate its force to Kiev’s authorities, the organisation’s press secretary Artem Skoropadsky told a briefing on Sunday.

"Our leader Dmitry Yarosh have not ordered to lay arms, our soldiers will not do so," he said, adding the organisation had additional 17 battalions in reserve, which are training now before being sent to Donbass and "if necessary, they all will be by the presidential administration and by the interior ministry, and then the authorities will see what angry nationalists are like."



Ukrainian military relocate heavy weapons to western Mukachevo - Right Sector

The press secretary said the nationalists would continue their protest rallies until Interior Minister Arsen Avakov is dismissed.

"In western Ukraine, the militia has been supervising smuggling for 20 years, and within the year of Avakov’s power the situation has not changed. Nor has it changed in the entire country. Lustration has not worked, corruption is booming. We are not going to be standing peacefully, we shall be talking to the power differently, toughly."

A representative of the Right Sector’s 13th battalion Alexei Byk said the weapon his soldiers had "is captured in the fighting in Donbass, and they are not going to report it to the authorities." The gunmen in Mukachevo had received additional weapons from their allies and retreated to the mountains, he added. Earlier he said the organisation’s forces were organising checkpoints around Mukachevo so that the government’s law enforcers could not send more force there.

Meanwhile, representatives of the law enforcers and of the Right Sector are trying to settle the conflict by negotiations. The organisation’s leader Dmitry Yarosh came to Mukachevo earlier on Sunday.

The Trans Carpathian Prosecutor’s Office said that three people were killed and another eleven wounded in the Mukachevo attack on Saturday, July 11. The Interior Ministry reported one civilian was among the dead. At the same time, the Right Sector said its two members were killed and another four were injured.

© Zurab Javahadze/ITAR-TASS

Right Sector leader says protests should continue until Interior Minister is arrested

The prosecutors have described the incident in Mukachevo as a terror attack.

Shortly after that, President Poroshenko ordered the law enforcement agencies "to disarm and detain the criminals who opened fire and killed peaceful civilians in Mukachevo." The Right Sector has alerted its supporters.

Some 20 gunmen of the Right Sector group arrived at a cafe located on the territory of a sports complex controlled by Ukrainian MP Mikhail Lanyo on Saturday. Police and eyewitnesses said the gunmen had come for a meeting with Lanyo’s representatives to discuss the "redistribution of spheres of influence."

A conflict erupted between the talks, and the extremists later on opened fire from small arms on their opponents. The police arrived at the scene and tried to block the get-away route for the gunmen. In response, the gunmen opened fire using rifles, heavy machine guns and grenade launchers.

Breaking the police cordon, the Right Sector gunmen left the city by cars and burnt several police vehicles by opening fire from grenade launchers and also set on fire a traffic police checkpoint and a petrol station

The law enforcers, including special task force of the Interior Ministry and the Security Service, blocked the Right Sector gunmen in the wooded areas near Lavki.

The Right Sector’s members are blocking the presidential administration in Kiev and the organisation’s guards are near regional administrations in Lvov, Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhje and Nikolayev.

I love this. junta politicians are now claiming that pravy sektor is "project Putin", and pravy sektor is claiming that Poroshenko and his clowns are "project Putin". Odessa pravy sektor have said that Avakov is working with crimminals and agents of Kremlin, and have announced mobilisation and demand the immediate arrest of Lano. Yarosh has already called for the arrest of Avakov. Roll up! roll up! watch the clowns

Khepesh wrote:I love this. junta politicians are now claiming that pravy sektor is "project Putin", and pravy sektor is claiming that Poroshenko and his clowns are "project Putin". Odessa pravy sektor have said that Avakov is working with crimminals and agents of Kremlin, and have announced mobilisation and demand the immediate arrest of Lano. Yarosh has already called for the arrest of Avakov. Roll up! roll up! watch the clowns

Terrible, terrible clowns.

PS: My sister's friend is from Mukachevo and I just learned that her parents went on vacation there. I hope they won't be caught in this bullshit.

Khepesh wrote:I love this. junta politicians are now claiming that pravy sektor is "project Putin", and pravy sektor is claiming that Poroshenko and his clowns are "project Putin". Odessa pravy sektor have said that Avakov is working with crimminals and agents of Kremlin, and have announced mobilisation and demand the immediate arrest of Lano. Yarosh has already called for the arrest of Avakov. Roll up! roll up! watch the clowns

I told so one year ago. That western media and ukraine is now western controlled, would at some point spin it around that Putin, has orchastrated regime change and steering up all that radicals in ukraine jews and nazis alike. The west is nuts and retarded aswell...

people are fast creating these to keep up with fast moving situation.

Ukraine - "Here are agents of Putin"
Crimea - "Here is Russia"


"That's interesting"

This mess will calm down when one side blinks and not before. We'll see how far our brave and resourceful soldier Yarosh pushes on what may become yet another coup, or how determined our sweet, kind and gentle reformer Poroshenko is to retain power. In the end I think Langley will make the decision as to who is swinging from the lamp post.

On the other hand Kiev can not prosecute a two, or possibly three, front war, they can't even do anything besides kill civilians in Donbass. I am like a lot of you, the popcorn is ready, just got some more beer and I'll pay some attention to this as the evening wears on while I work.

auslander wrote:This mess will calm down when one side blinks and not before. We'll see how far our brave and resourceful soldier Yarosh pushes on what may become yet another coup, or how determined our sweet, kind and gentle reformer Poroshenko is to retain power. In the end I think Langley will make the decision as to who is swinging from the lamp post.

On the other hand Kiev can not prosecute a two, or possibly three, front war, they can't even do anything besides kill civilians in Donbass. I am like a lot of you, the popcorn is ready, just got some more beer and I'll pay some attention to this as the evening wears on while I work.

Just keep an eye on western media. If they cover this in any way you can be sure they are responsible for this to get Porky out and another jew in.

Threats from RS are flying left and right and now Hungary has tightened their border control points, letting in less Ukrainians.

Map of cities where rallies in support of pravy sektor are said to be taking place or have taken place. In context, only 25 people reported to have attended in Sumy. We know they don't have much support, but it adds to the atmosphere of doom for Kiev.


Edit: It's not my map and I edited it to include Sumy

A few tiny articles have appeared in west media, most saying the violence was at a sports club and saying that one side had on Right Sector insignia and that the 'violence' started from an 'arguement'. Last one I looked at, AP, said something to the effect of the orcs say it's VVP behind the unrest. Nothing like living in a parallel universe, is there.

Neutrality wrote:Threats from RS are flying left and right and now Hungary has tightened their border control points, letting in less Ukrainians.

And also Slovakia.

Ghoster wrote:Events in Mukachevo July 11, 2015
...at least one of RS cars has Czech EU license plates.

I have been immediately searching for the first one "3AR 4435" and found certain comment under another article, saying that second plate "1AV 6666" appeared in article from 2012 about so called "godfather plates". I would assume that it's possible that RS scum may be connected to ukrainian mafia which is spread across our country.
If somebody interested, I can post or send links to the articles in Czech.

Second theory about possible connection would be participation of Czech neonazis in conflict as volunteers on Kiev side. I don't have current info about Czech nazi scene, but from past I know some of them claimed they would fight commies with weapons and some of them are certainly financialy capable.

Or wealthy war tourists on the side which is closest to their heart.

I completely hate all three types of scum.

Edit: It looks like one of them at 10:08 has vz.61 Škorpion in his left hand.

This is unsourced, so may be nonsense. Anyway, reports that pravy sektor say that columns of military vehicles are moving from Kharkov to Kiev and from Poltava to Kiev. If true this may simply be normal movements, but I hope it is a sign of panic from Poroshenko. There is a strange deja vu from last summer when some nonsense regarding pravy sektor and disaffected army forces was circulating. At that time columns of troops, including tanks, were seen heading to Kiev, but it turned out they were to take part in Independance Day celebrations on 24 August. Long time until 24 August this year.....

Edit: This info now on Cassad, the report timed at 17:40
cassad net fast, raccoon net faster...