Iraqi Army

Well the iraqi army .rejected the rifle. It was given instead to national police and Peshmerga paramilitary units.

The problem of the wide availability of ak types and their ammo.is real. This problem.is about effectively eliminating the vast majority of rifles in the hands of civilians. Now a citizen can't have an ak showing publicly and pretend he is a member of the security forces.

Now why choose this particular rifle? I don't know.

Iraqi soldiers on Social Media on news of these rifles were complaining about not having modern Long range machine guns and the government buying these instead.

The ultimate aim of this small arms change is.important howevee. It's the elimination of millions of weapons sloshing about the country.

Another Question is what happens to the m26 rifles that they operate now? They only bought them a few years ago.... I suppose they can re export some of the newer weapons to the USA hillbilly arms market (but disable full auto)... Or drop them off to the Houthis and shias in eastern Saudi....

That is very doubtful that you would eleminate the usefulness of AK's by just one single country and only official forces adopting to a new cartridge and rifle. All your neighbouring countries have them more than they have houses or vehicles in their country, many of your neighbours across the entire ME have facilities to manufactor 7.62x39 and 7.62x54mmR on mass. That will do nothing good for you but throw out the window of money and the effeciency of iraqi forces will be reduced, because during any reforms of cartridges and rifles, forces suffer from an unorganized and overwhelmed and overloaded logistics chain. That was also a problem during Soviet Union when it was invaded, structure was in reform and couldn't adopt to situation quickly enough, of course it was more than just one rifle and calibre change.

sepheronx wrote:No, it is just another shitty excuse to buy a garbage famas ripoff to help a US bootlicking country.

They could Purchase AK-15's or AK-103's for cheaper and effectively be different than the old AK rifles.  Seems though their plan didnt work. Retards.

Better buy water pistols for INP instead.

I think the NP, also called federal police have been doing a good job lately. It's the local police units which are unreliable, at least in Anbar they've proven that.

George1 wrote:The Iraqi forces have manufactured 120 Zolfaqar missiles with a range of two kilometers.

What shit is that? The Google Oracle says nothing about existence of such missile... so it must be an indigenous invention.

These unguided missiles are useless. One D-20 battery eqiupped with Krasnopol-M is more combat worthy than several dozen launchers equipped with this unguided shit.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

George1 wrote:The Iraqi forces have manufactured 120 Zolfaqar missiles with a range of two kilometers.

What shit is that? THe Google Oracle says nothign about existence of such missile... so it must be an indigenous invention.

These unguided missiles are useless. One D-20 battery eqiopped with Krasnopol-M is more combat worthy than severatl dozen launchers equipped with this unguided shit.

Those are Irams, best used against urban environement.

AlfaT8 wrote:

sheytanelkebir wrote:Iraqi National Police start receiving VHS-2 rifles from Croatia.

This is part of the overall effort to withdraw the use of all Kalashnikovs out of official use. This is to enable the management of the disarmament of the population and militias in the future.

Sounds like a bad joke, how reliable are these Croatian rifles??

Way too expencive for what they are. I belive VHS2 is 1.100USD per piece. I did hold VHS1 few years ago on military expo but i say tell it was remarkable, plastic rifle as plastic rifle, i did kinda like fire selector near trigger guard (most ppl do not) tho. It will never achieve same results as HS2000 pistol.

And its not that light taking in count its polymer based design, its almost 3,5kg... imo id never issue that rifle as main service weapon.

MI-35 crash landed, going for repairs someone said. Looks like it can be repaired, mostly intact except for the 2 rotors and some other parts.

iraqidabab wrote:MI-35 crash landed, going for repairs someone said. Looks like it can be repaired, mostly intact except for the 2 rotors and some other parts.

Well, if they say this was repairable that one is walk in the park.

perhaps already posted, but Iraq has now MI-28's in its airforce as it seems.

Airbornewolf wrote:perhaps already posted, but Iraq has now MI-28's in its airforce as it seems.

For quite some time actually.

Airbornewolf wrote:perhaps already posted, but Iraq has now MI-28's in its airforce as it seems.

I will not understand Iraqis. Why they use Mi-28N in daytime with unguided rockets and gun fire? They must use Mi-28N exclusively at night with ATGMs. It have radar and two EO complexes for pilot and operator for full night capabilities. In day time they could bomb terrorists with Su-25 and Mi-35M.

medo wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:perhaps already posted, but Iraq has now MI-28's in its airforce as it seems.

I will not understand Iraqis. Why they use Mi-28N in daytime with unguided rockets and gun fire? They must use Mi-28N exclusively at night with ATGMs. It have radar and two EO complexes for pilot and operator for full night capabilities. In day time they could bomb terrorists with Su-25 and Mi-35M.

Well i dont think they have that many ATGMs available for Mi28s, also during night most of the ISIS personel is in hideouts, sleeping, resting etc, its hard to find suitable targets. Also they have to use them during day simply coz Iraq has very limited air assets. Will be that way till at last majority of F16s from the order gets delivered.

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:perhaps already posted, but Iraq has now MI-28's in its airforce as it seems.

I will not understand Iraqis. Why they use Mi-28N in daytime with unguided rockets and gun fire? They must use Mi-28N exclusively at night with ATGMs. It have radar and two EO complexes for pilot and operator for full night capabilities. In day time they could bomb terrorists with Su-25 and Mi-35M.

Well i dont think they have that many ATGMs available for Mi28s, also during night most of the ISIS personel is in hideouts, sleeping, resting etc, its hard to find suitable targets. Also they have to use them during day simply coz Iraq has very limited air assets. Will be that way till at last majority of F16s from the order gets delivered.

They use ATGM's from Mi-35M the very same ATGM's the Mi-28NE uses. I doubt any delivery from US will be completed and is just a political game.

Werewolf wrote:

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:perhaps already posted, but Iraq has now MI-28's in its airforce as it seems.

I will not understand Iraqis. Why they use Mi-28N in daytime with unguided rockets and gun fire? They must use Mi-28N exclusively at night with ATGMs. It have radar and two EO complexes for pilot and operator for full night capabilities. In day time they could bomb terrorists with Su-25 and Mi-35M.

Well i dont think they have that many ATGMs available for Mi28s, also during night most of the ISIS personel is in hideouts, sleeping, resting etc, its hard to find suitable targets. Also they have to use them during day simply coz Iraq has very limited air assets. Will be that way till at last majority of F16s from the order gets delivered.

They use ATGM's from Mi-35M the very same ATGM's the Mi-28NE uses. I doubt any delivery from US will be completed and is just a political game.

Yeah they use them however amount launched is not particulary big, i saw only once or twice Iraqi helicopter fully armed with ATGMs, its mostly rocket pods and occasional load of ATGMs. And during daylight it doesnt matter much if its launched from Mi35 or Mi28 anyways since night capability is not in the game. I never saw any info tho on amounts of ATGMs delivered to Iraq which followed orders of helicopters, i know 1000 Kornets were delivered.

Idk about that to be honest, they delivered 4 F16s by now i think and part of the weapons contract for them, they had couple airstrikes also it seems, will the rest be delivered.. who knows, you never know with the US. But hey they delivered them 7,5-8billion worth military equipment in last few years, no reason for them to suddenly stop delivering as long as it gets paid.

That is an Mi35m which was damaged in battles some weeks ago to the west of samarra. Like a mi171 which crash landed earlier... They will have her in the kut maintenance facility and up in the air in no time.

"In 2009, Iraqi Mod signed a contract with France for two dozen Eurocopter EC-635. In 2010, Eurocopter (become Airbus Helicopters) wanted to integrated Ingwe anti-tank missiles (from Denel Dynamics) to the type as part of the Stand Alone Weapon System (SAWS) weapons kit. First helicopter, serial “YI-293” was then sent to South Africa. From early August 2015, according to Defence Web, Iraqi EC-635 added Denel's Ingwe ATGM at their range of weapons. Begining November they carried out first attacks with this new missile. The SAWS features a Belgian FN Herstal HMP–400 12.7 mm machine gun, a French Nexter NC-621 20mm cannon, FZ-233 70 mm rockets and Denel’s Ingwe ATGM. The two pictures below show EC-635 serial "YI-276" carrying Ingwe launchers."







Source: http://aerohisto.blogspot.rs/2015/11/video-first-shot-of-ingwe-missile-by.html?spref=tw

Militarov wrote:"In 2009, Iraqi Mod signed a contract with France for two dozen Eurocopter EC-635. In 2010, Eurocopter (become Airbus Helicopters) wanted to integrated Ingwe anti-tank missiles (from Denel Dynamics) to the type as part of the Stand Alone Weapon System (SAWS) weapons kit. First helicopter, serial “YI-293” was then sent to South Africa. From early August 2015, according to Defence Web, Iraqi EC-635 added Denel's Ingwe ATGM at their range of weapons. Begining November they carried out first attacks with this new missile. The SAWS features a Belgian FN Herstal HMP–400 12.7 mm machine gun, a French Nexter NC-621 20mm cannon, FZ-233 70 mm rockets and Denel’s Ingwe ATGM. The two pictures below show EC-635 serial "YI-276" carrying Ingwe launchers."







Source: http://aerohisto.blogspot.rs/2015/11/video-first-shot-of-ingwe-missile-by.html?spref=tw

That's good news.

Best footage so far of Mi-28NE with Arbalet firing gun and unguided rockets.

Iraqi technicians refurbished AMX10P and Panhard VCR in Basra for Security forces.

and now with the new artillery agreement between france and iraq (signed a couple of days ago)... I believe that the old GCT SP-Howitzers will be refurbished and put back in service too.

The AMX-10P are robust for sure (even today the french ones that are very very old and were very used are still around 65-70% availability).

But that's kind of weird the upgrade they got isn't the one Nexter sells (or at least not the one the french army got). Also i though the Iraqi ones had the 20mm gun (training ones in the picture?).

It's just a bit fancier BMP-2 though, it's good against small arms and shrapnel but even the ones with added slate armor are unlikely to survive a good RPG hit, and certainly not the modern AT weapons ISIS seems to have a never ending supply of.

The GCT on AMX-30 (though they can be mounted on T-72) are also very robust, fairly well protected and were really designed for being able to send 155mm HE in direct fire for anti-fortification duty (and are obviously great indirect fire too). It's one of the best GIAT design which inspired essentially all the current gen. SPG.

Also I'm fairly the TrF1 (tracted version of the same gun) are being retired so maybe you will inherit them...

"The Mi-171, Mi-35M and Mi-28NE helicopters in service with the Iraqi Air Force will receive new 80 mm airborne unguided rockets, featuring a high armor piercing capability, that will complement their ammunition suite, the Iraqi Defense Ministry has reported. The defense establishment of that Middle East country declared that the Russian side had handed over to Iraq a batch of "80 mm airborne unguided missiles which will be effective in destroying armored targets." In all likelihood at issue are S-8KOM 80 mm caliber airborne unguided rocket fitted with a reinforced shaped-charge/fragmentation warhead /WH/.

According to unclassified sources, this type of rocket can pierce up to 420 mm of armor. Its warhead contains up to 500 fragments weighing 3 kg each. The missile can be launched out to a range of 1,300 to 4,000 m from the target. The rocket launch weight is 11.3 kg.



Over recent years Iraq has been a major buyer of Russian military hardware. As early as 2012, a package of contracts had been signed between Russia and Iraq, waging war against the Islamic State militants /IS, banned in Russia/, to supply Baghdad with different military equipment, including Mi-28NE and Mi-35 helicopters with a total value of US$ 4.2 billion. The Iraqi authorities had repeatedly shown interest in developing military technical cooperation with Russia."



Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/november/2169-russia-to-supply-iraq-with-new-80mm-air-to-ground-80mm-unguided-missiles.html

They also have 122mm rockets on the mi28 now... Pics on iraqi military forum.

http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=857&sid=b1f1aa41c2ad214102061950b7c2dc11&start=435