The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:If he is a BSer, he maybe the best one out there.

That's what I'm saying.
If he is a BSer, then really, the man's got talent no doubt about it. I mean to lead so many on for so long. Wow.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:So he was selling it to the rebels? or apparently intended to?

Ghoster wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:So he was selling it to the rebels? or apparently intended to?

Well, the article says he got caught in Severodonetsk, which is quite ways away from the front line and was moving west.

Since there is a thriving black market for arms exported from the war zone in western Ukraine, it could have been intended to be sold there, or maybe put for some other use? I'm not sure why would they need to smuggle it out.

There's plenty of articles in Ukrainian media about guns and grenade launchers being smuggled out and sold, but nothing about tanks or personnel carriers.

JohninMK wrote:More from the 'you couldn't make it up' monitoring section.

A Ukrainian border guard manning a checkpoint in eastern Ukraine opened cross-border fire on three Russian citizens as they tried to take a selfie close to the post, a representative of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)’s border department said Sunday.

ROSTOV-ON-DON (Sputnik) — The incident at the Krasna Talovka border crossing between Ukraine’s turbulent eastern province of Lugansk and Russia’s Rostov region occurred on Sunday night, FSB’s Nikolai Sinitsyn told RIA Novosti.

One man was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the chest. Two other tourists appear to be unscathed. According to the Russian official, the three holidaymakers were spending the day at an artificial lake near the border when they tried to take a selfie against the backdrop of the check point. The Ukrainian guard shouted for them to stop and opened fire, hitting one of the men in the chest.

The Federal Security Service is investigating the shooting of Russian nationals.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150727/1025077658.html#ixzz3h2m0oQXe

Ghoster wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:So he was selling it to the rebels? or apparently intended to?

Well, the article says he got caught in Severodonetsk, which is quite ways away from the front line and was moving west.

Since there is a thriving black market for arms exported from the war zone in western Ukraine, it could have been intended to be sold there, or maybe put for some other use? I'm not sure why would they need to smuggle it out.

There's plenty of articles in Ukrainian media about guns and grenade launchers being smuggled out and sold, but nothing about tanks or personnel carriers.

JohninMK wrote:More from the 'you couldn't make it up' monitoring section.

A Ukrainian border guard manning a checkpoint in eastern Ukraine opened cross-border fire on three Russian citizens as they tried to take a selfie close to the post, a representative of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)’s border department said Sunday.

ROSTOV-ON-DON (Sputnik) — The incident at the Krasna Talovka border crossing between Ukraine’s turbulent eastern province of Lugansk and Russia’s Rostov region occurred on Sunday night, FSB’s Nikolai Sinitsyn told RIA Novosti.

One man was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the chest. Two other tourists appear to be unscathed. According to the Russian official, the three holidaymakers were spending the day at an artificial lake near the border when they tried to take a selfie against the backdrop of the check point. The Ukrainian guard shouted for them to stop and opened fire, hitting one of the men in the chest.

The Federal Security Service is investigating the shooting of Russian nationals.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150727/1025077658.html#ixzz3h2m0oQXe

Dforce wrote:

I think I have met the first proper clown here, not bad!  

PapaDragon wrote:

BKP wrote:A Short List of Russian Successes Over the Past Few Months
Russia is on a roll, but you would never know it reading the mainstream media
Aleksandr Rodzhers,  Fri, Jul 24.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/short-list-russian-successes-over-past-few-months-q/ri8945

Pretty good article from Russia Insider listing several recent Russian successes, both internal and geopolitical. Some items of particular note:
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Russia Insider is by far the best source of articles and analysis on Russia and its policies in English language.

I ran into them by accident a year ago. For very long time I thought that they are just a bunch of over-optimistic hacks but everything, and I man EVERYTHING they said would happened back then eventually did happened.
At times when everyone was losing their sh*t with panic, they kept cool and just delivered data. And data was solid. Looked unrealistically optimistic at the time but in the end it was 100% on the money.

These guys know what they are doing. And to think that they went from small expat blog to pretty well known news source in less than a year.    

One word: Impressive!

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

JohninMK wrote:More from the 'you couldn't make it up' monitoring section.

A Ukrainian border guard manning a checkpoint in eastern Ukraine opened cross-border fire on three Russian citizens as they tried to take a selfie close to the post, a representative of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)’s border department said Sunday.

ROSTOV-ON-DON (Sputnik) — The incident at the Krasna Talovka border crossing between Ukraine’s turbulent eastern province of Lugansk and Russia’s Rostov region occurred on Sunday night, FSB’s Nikolai Sinitsyn told RIA Novosti.

One man was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the chest. Two other tourists appear to be unscathed. According to the Russian official, the three holidaymakers were spending the day at an artificial lake near the border when they tried to take a selfie against the backdrop of the check point. The Ukrainian guard shouted for them to stop and opened fire, hitting one of the men in the chest.

The Federal Security Service is investigating the shooting of Russian nationals.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150727/1025077658.html#ixzz3h2m0oQXe

That's crazy.

higurashihougi wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

JohninMK wrote:More from the 'you couldn't make it up' monitoring section.

A Ukrainian border guard manning a checkpoint in eastern Ukraine opened cross-border fire on three Russian citizens as they tried to take a selfie close to the post, a representative of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)’s border department said Sunday.

ROSTOV-ON-DON (Sputnik) — The incident at the Krasna Talovka border crossing between Ukraine’s turbulent eastern province of Lugansk and Russia’s Rostov region occurred on Sunday night, FSB’s Nikolai Sinitsyn told RIA Novosti.

One man was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the chest. Two other tourists appear to be unscathed. According to the Russian official, the three holidaymakers were spending the day at an artificial lake near the border when they tried to take a selfie against the backdrop of the check point. The Ukrainian guard shouted for them to stop and opened fire, hitting one of the men in the chest.

The Federal Security Service is investigating the shooting of Russian nationals.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150727/1025077658.html#ixzz3h2m0oQXe

That's crazy.

Or may be they are trying to tempt Russia to send army into Ukraine.

News War wrote:Пожар в Донецке / Fire in Donetsk 26 07 2015

Andrey Filatov wrote:Pesky Ceasefire Violations

На линии огня wrote:The convoy of military equipment ATO ACS moves to the Donbass 07/26/2015

News-Front wrote:A volunteer from Finland: I came to fight against the Nazis / Я приехал воевать с нацистами

Fire in Donetsk, July 27, 2015

Flagship Victory wrote:

medo wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

medo wrote:So, now we now, that Russia doesn't send much of their own weapons and ammunition to Novorussia, but transfer Ukrainian weapons and ammunition to Novorussian army, which Ukrainian army sell, most probably to pay for food, fuel, medics, etc. This is good for Novorussia on a long time period. More that Ukrainian army sell their weapons and ammunition, less will be in Ukrainian reserves to fight battles. Considering, that the only Ukrainian ammunition factory is in Lugansk in Novorussia, Ukrainian army and ukronazi units will sooner or later run out of ammunition and they will have no money to buy it from NATO.

If Maidan runs out of ammo, wouldn't the US send ammo and arms to Maidan?

For free? I don't think so. Ukraine will have to pay it, but without money it is not possible. Don't forget, US weapons and ammunition is far more expensive than Russian one. For how many units, Ukraine is able to buy weapons and ammo from US? And they will still need food and fuel, so they will still sell those US weapons and ammo to Novorussia.

I think it would be under foreign aid, paid for by US taxpayers. That's how the US arms industry makes big money. Foreign aid is a big part of that. All those arms sent to Iraq, for example, are done under foreign aid. The US also has plenty of surplus ammo.

auslander wrote:In my opinion the continuous bombardments, the destruction of civilian targets and the deaths of civilians for over a year have been just that, trying to push Russia in to invading. This will not happen unless, in my opinion, there is an attack that leads to catastrophic civilian casualties.

Flagship Victory wrote:

auslander wrote:In my opinion the continuous bombardments, the destruction of civilian targets and the deaths of civilians for over a year have been just that, trying to push Russia in to invading. This will not happen unless, in my opinion, there is an attack that leads to catastrophic civilian casualties.

In my opinion, what Russia should do is impose a NO FLY ZONE over Donbas. Any Ukrainian ground troops that moves should be annihilates until they are driven out out of Donbas. Russia has powerful air force.

franco wrote:Then Russia would be directly involved while their official position has been that they are not. This goes back to the original fighting which the Ukrainians and their allies maintained was against Russian forces as there was no anti Maidan forces in Ukraine. The Russian government stated that it was an internal uprising by the citizens of Donbas against the violent overthrow of their elected Ukrainian government. Also Russia would be no better then the USA and NATO by imposing their military will against others. Let it begin.  

Flagship Victory wrote:

franco wrote:Then Russia would be directly involved while their official position has been that they are not. This goes back to the original fighting which the Ukrainians and their allies maintained was against Russian forces as there was no anti Maidan forces in Ukraine. The Russian government stated that it was an internal uprising by the citizens of Donbas against the violent overthrow of their elected Ukrainian government. Also Russia would be no better then the USA and NATO by imposing their military will against others. Let it begin.  

Everyone knows Russia is already directly involved. Russia supplies arms and ammo to NAF because NAF cannot manufacture them. It's like France supplied arms and ammo to American rebels during the American war of indepdence. Rather than trying to hide it, which don't work anyway, might as well be open about it and do No Fly Zone. The longer this war goes on, the more Ukrainians will hate Russia because of daily casualties of Maidan soldiers. If the war goes on for another 10 years, the relations may be very difficult to repair. On the other hand, if Russia does No Fly Zone, the war will end in at most a few days because Maidan soldiers will withdraw from Donbas. And then the relations can be immediately repaired like between Georgia and Russia.

No one hides their actions. Americans don't, Saudis don't, Turks dont, Jordanians don't. Russia is the world's biggest country. Why should Russia hide its actions?

franco wrote:Because this has very little to do with Ukraine. It is all about Europe and the rest of the World. The USA wants Russia to attack Ukraine, it justifies all of their actions if Russia does. Russia is trying to prove that they are not the threat the USA is selling to Europe and the World. And as a leader of the anti NWO then it requires Russia to set a higher standard then the USA and NATO.