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    Post  eridan Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:27 am

    argh, forum ate my post. anyway, it was some silly, rough math where i assumed 200 hrs per il76 pilot per year, 140 hrs per il-76 plane per year, (which are pretty much guesswork and actual numbers would be appreciated) 0.35 dollars per kg of jet fuel (2015 prices, which may not be applicable), 1-5 tons of fuel for d30 per hour, with average of 2.5 tons per hour. and 25% less fuel consumption for ps90. and i got something like 490,000 $ per year for fuel costs for d30. or 367,000 for ps90. In ten years savings might be 1,23 million dollars. Over 30 years might be 3,7 million. Not counting in ancillary differences in cost, not related to price of fuel alone.

    But as i've surely used some wrong numbers here, i ask anyone to provide better numbers, if possible.

    edit: found up to date jet fuel price. 0.62 dollars per kg. 873,000 $ per year for a il76 with d30. Or 655,000 with ps90. 2,2 million $ savings per 10 years.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:17 pm

    eridan wrote:
    George1 wrote:
       

       The upgraded Il-76MD-M aircraft retains the old D-30KP engines, which are being modified to extend their life. Modernization works should bring the airborne equipment of the aircraft to the level of the equipment of the newly constructed Il-76MD-90A. The total service life of the aircraft is extended by 15 years. According to the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, the cost of upgrading the IL-76MD to the Il-76MD-M version should be only one third of the cost of the new IL-76MD-90A aircraft.


    If true, that doesn't sound like a good deal. To pay one third of brand new plane's cost for 15 more years. When lifespan of a new transport plane is easily three times that. So that roughly ends up being similar cost during whole projected lifetime. But on top of that, the modernized ones will still be stuck with lower perfomance - less range and less payload. It's really worse deal than getting new il76 with new engines. I guess the only reason the modernization IS going through is that there's simply no cheap way to increase il76 production further than it is now. So if RuAF wants to upkeep its transport fleet in numbers, modernizing older il76 makes some sense.
    My highlights.

    The top quote, and I don't know what the original Russian said, that the life is extended by 15 years which implies that it is extended from its original end of life date which is not quoted. This may well be longer than 15 years from now.
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    Post  eehnie Tue May 22, 2018 4:42 am

    Natural exhaustion in the auxiliary air fleet of the Russian Armed Forces:

    Mi-6/10/22
    00 Active
    10 Reserve (someone more becoming monuments)
    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Mil/Mi-6/22
    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Mil/Mi-10
    Recent presence of material from Mi-6/10/22 in reports of auctions of scrapped material.

    An-22
    03 Active
    06 Reserve
    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Antonov/An-22


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    Post  LMFS Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:35 pm

    TsAGI testing "mutant" transport concepts:

    https://twitter.com/TheWoracle/status/1002615899625525248

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:55 pm

    The modernized AN-124s will fill the superheavy transport nishe for 20 years: https://ria.ru/forces/20180402/1517357241.html?inj=1

    "Not the property of Ukraine": Russia will revive An-124 "Ruslan" https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2018/06/03/11785447.shtml
    https://ria.ru/economy/20180603/1521958676.html

    Makes sense: it will take many years to field the PAK-TA Slon &/ IL-106, but restarting AN-124 line can be done a lot sooner.
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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:47 pm

    + the fact that Volga-Dnepr wants to buy some new ones.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:34 pm


    The military transport aircraft will receive three new planes Il-76MD-90A in 2018
    On June 6, 20:48 UTC+3
    Besides, Ruslan modernized by An-124 will be transferred to the order of VTA

    MOSCOW, on June 6. / TASS/. The military transport aircraft (VTA, is a part of Aerospace forces of the Russian Federation) plans to receive three new planes Il-76MD-90A and one An-124 Ruslan this year. The deputy commander, the chief engineer of VTA Mikhail Kozlov has told about it following the results of educational and methodical collecting.

    "This year we have to receive three planes Il-76MD-90A and Ruslan modernized by An-124 in operation, he said.

    During educational and methodical collecting representatives of administrative board of engineering and aviation service VTA have discussed an order of transfer of Il-76MD-90A and An-124-100 in operation and also "problematic issues of production of components for transport planes".

    Collecting has taken place in the territory of the Ulyanovsk aircraft factory "Aviastar-SP". Representatives of VTA have examined production of transport planes, have got acquainted with the technical capacity of the enterprise.

    "The main subject of collecting - problematic issues in ensuring reliability of the aircraft equipment and safety of flights, ways of their decision. Special attention has been paid to production of planes Il-76MD-90A and modernization of An-124", - Kozlov has noted.


    In more detail on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5269269
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    Post  eehnie Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:05 am

    LMFS wrote:

    The military transport aircraft will receive three new planes Il-76MD-90A in 2018
    On June 6, 20:48 UTC+3
    Besides, Ruslan modernized by An-124 will be transferred to the order of VTA

    MOSCOW, on June 6. / TASS/. The military transport aircraft (VTA, is a part of Aerospace forces of the Russian Federation) plans to receive three new planes Il-76MD-90A and one An-124 Ruslan this year. The deputy commander, the chief engineer of VTA Mikhail Kozlov has told about it following the results of educational and methodical collecting.

    "This year we have to receive three planes Il-76MD-90A and Ruslan modernized by An-124 in operation, he said.

    During educational and methodical collecting representatives of administrative board of engineering and aviation service VTA have discussed an order of transfer of Il-76MD-90A and An-124-100 in operation and also "problematic issues of production of components for transport planes".

    Collecting has taken place in the territory of the Ulyanovsk aircraft factory "Aviastar-SP". Representatives of VTA have examined production of transport planes, have got acquainted with the technical capacity of the enterprise.

    "The main subject of collecting - problematic issues in ensuring reliability of the aircraft equipment and safety of flights, ways of their decision. Special attention has been paid to production of planes Il-76MD-90A and modernization of An-124", - Kozlov has noted.


    In more detail on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5269269

    Not sure about which is exactly the plan about the An-124.

    In my opinion, the upgrade of the current units is a good idea, even necessary.

    Instead, Im not a fan of restarting the production of the aircraft to produce new units. I think it would be good for Russia to move forward with a new design and a new designation.
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    Post  eehnie Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:49 am

    Scrapping report of the 3Q of the decade for the heavy air auxiliary material (January 2016 - June 2018)

    Isolate units and/or broken parts of heavy land combat material to continue:

    Yak-130: Sale and auction of scrap material.
    An-10/12: Sale and auction of scrap material

    Important amounts of heavy air auxiliary material to continue:

    Tu-134: Sale and auction of scrap material and spare parts.
    An-24/26/30/32: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    Important amounts of heavy air auxiliary material in process of exhaustion for the mid-term:

    Mi-6/10/22: Sale and auction of scrap material and spare parts.
    L-39: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    Low amounts of heavy air auxiliary material in process of exhaustion for the short-term and with exhaustion finished:

    L-29: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    Looking at the reports I tend to think that:

    - The scrapping activity on heavy air auxiliary material restarted again in 2017/2018 with strenght after a stop.
    - The scrapping process of the An-22 seems projected to finish in the mid-term, but can finish also in the short-term.
    - The scrapping process of the Mi-6/10/22 seems projected to finish in the mid-term, but can finish also in the short-term.
    - The scrapping process of the L-29 was likely finished in 2017/2018. In 2018 would be the liquidation of the last scrap material.

    For the 4Q of the decade, the scrapping activity, in the refered to the heavy air auxiliary material, is likely to be focused on the L-39, L-410, Mi-6/10/22, An-22, An-2, An-24/26/30/32, An-72/71/74, An-10/12, Il-18/20/22, Tu-134 plus some isolate unit of more modern aircrafts. For the aircrafts marked in fuchsia the total exhaustion can happen likely in the mid-term, by 2025, but in the case of the Mi-6/10/22 and the An-22, can happen also in the short-term, by 2020, because of the low number of units remaining.

    The trend in the case of the An-2 seems slow to me. The total exhaustion of this aircraft can be accelerated increasing the use of the aircraft or by other ways.
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    Post  eehnie Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:13 pm

    Problems for the Il-112, the SR-10 (and the MiG-AT) in their bids to become part of the Russian Armed Forces were predictable and were predicted. The surprise would be the success of weak projects under a concept outdated, under a concept unsuccessful today, or reaching not the current standars of the Russian Armed Forces (second link, point 2):

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4312p75-russian-transport-aircraft-fleet-vta#189143
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#213501 (Point 2)

    This is not a problem for the Russian Armed Forces, that have stronger alternatives for the cathegories of these aircrafts:

    - Mi-38 in the size cathegory of the An-24/26/30/32.
    - Yak-130 for advanced trainer.
    - Yak-152 for basic trainer.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4312p250-russian-transport-aircraft-fleet-vta#212784

    In fact this is good news. Russia can focus in the right projects in the refered to heavy combat and auxiliary air material, to solve the pending potential redundancies on heavy auxiliary air material and to move forward:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032-state-armament-program-2018-2027#204557 (Point 10)
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:02 am

    The IL-112 project has some serious problems:
    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/07/08/samolet/

    Perhaps it's time to revive the TU-330:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-330
    https://www.aviaport.ru/conferences/43064/
    Tu-330
    This versatile aircraft is also in a developmental stage. It can replace both the An-12 and the heavier Il-76 on middle-distance flights. Like other Russian military transport aircraft, it can be operated from unpaved runways.
    It is similar to the civil version of the Tu-214, which is already being produced. In case of an urgent order, the aircraft can be designed and certified in a very short time.
    Tu-330 can carry up to 35 tons over a distance of up to 3,000 km, and with a load of 20 tons, can fly over 5,600 km.
    https://www.rbth.com/defence/2015/07/21/russia_looks_to_modernize_indonesian_air_force_47883.html
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:46 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The IL-112 project has some serious problems:
    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/07/08/samolet/

    Perhaps it's time to revive the TU-330:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-330
    https://www.aviaport.ru/conferences/43064/
    Tu-330
    This versatile aircraft is also in a developmental stage. It can replace both the An-12 and the heavier Il-76 on middle-distance flights. Like other Russian military transport aircraft, it can be operated from unpaved runways.
    It is similar to the civil version of the Tu-214, which is already being produced. In case of an urgent order, the aircraft can be designed and certified in a very short time.
    Tu-330 can carry up to 35 tons over a distance of up to 3,000 km, and with a load of 20 tons, can fly over 5,600 km.
    https://www.rbth.com/defence/2015/07/21/russia_looks_to_modernize_indonesian_air_force_47883.html

    Is there a reason why Russia was pursuing the IL-112 over this? Haven't heard much about the tu-330
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:23 am

    IMO they wanted it developed & built with Indian $ & spend less operating it than a bigger jet powered TU-330 that may never be exported. Also, Tupolev never built a cargo transport before.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:09 am

    The Il-112 is a 5 ton payload class aircraft... it will be replacing An-24/26/32 class transports and possibly An-72... there is no way at all that they would choose to revive the Tu-330... a 35 ton payload class transport to replace a 5 ton payload aircraft.

    The Tu-330 wont be revived because it would be redundant with the Il-276 being developed instead of the joint Russian Indian MTA...

    I insulted not George1. I received insults.

    Insults were given by a lot of people and that is the problem... who insulted who first might influence who gets the longest ban, but everyone who insults will get a ban if it continues...

    Hope we are clear...

    Is there a reason why Russia was pursuing the IL-112 over this? Haven't heard much about the tu-330

    Russia is pursuing the Il-112 and Il-112V because they want a light transport to replace the An-24/26 and An-32 families in the 6 ton payload transport range.

    It will be smaller and lighter and cheaper than An-12s in the 20 ton payload range, but then that will be replaced by the Il-276 reduced size Il-476 aircraft in the 20-30 ton payload range.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:51 am

    GarryB wrote:The Il-112 is a 5 ton payload class aircraft... it will be replacing An-24/26/32 class transports and possibly An-72... there is no way at all that they would choose to revive the Tu-330... a 35 ton payload class transport to replace a 5 ton payload aircraft.

    The Tu-330 wont be revived because it would be redundant with the Il-276 being developed instead of the joint Russian Indian MTA...

    I insulted not George1. I received insults.

    Insults were given by a lot of people and that is the problem... who insulted who first might influence who gets the longest ban, but everyone who insults will get a ban if it continues...

    Hope we are clear...

    Is there a reason why Russia was pursuing the IL-112 over this? Haven't heard much about the tu-330

    Russia is pursuing the Il-112 and Il-112V because they want a light transport to replace the An-24/26 and An-32 families in the 6 ton payload transport range.

    It will be smaller and lighter and cheaper than An-12s in the 20 ton payload range, but then that will be replaced by the Il-276 reduced size Il-476 aircraft in the 20-30 ton payload range.

    I was a little concerned when he mentioned tu-330 because I saw it as a bigger class of aircraft to what the IL -112 was replacing.

    Although some silly mistakes were made with IL-112 money has been invested and Russia needs a replacement so I firmly believe that it isn't under threat.

    So new Russian line up for transport aircraft will be:

    IL-112
    IL-276
    IL-476
    Pak Ta

    Is this correct?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:25 pm


    IL-112
    IL-276
    IL-476
    Pak Ta

    Pretty much, but I do hope the PAK TA expands into three related aircraft with 2, 4, and 6 engines in the 90-100 ton, 120-150 ton, and 200-250 ton payload class to replace the An-22, An-124, and An-225 respectively. A unified modular design that could perhaps have wing and fuselage inserts to increase or decrease size and of course add or remove engines...

    Some of those new rockets will need external carriage and of course they are planning new Shuttle type aircraft too, so they might need 3-4 An-225 types in a few years time.

    Note the Il-112 is a 5-6 ton payload aircraft able to replace the An-26 types, while the Il-276 will be a 20-30 ton payload aircraft to replace the An-12.

    The Il-476 is a 60 ton payload aircraft.
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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    IL-112
    IL-276
    IL-476
    Pak Ta

    Pretty much, but I do hope the PAK TA expands into three related aircraft with 2, 4, and 6 engines in the 90-100 ton, 120-150 ton, and 200-250 ton payload class to replace the An-22, An-124, and An-225 respectively. A unified modular design that could perhaps have wing and fuselage inserts to increase or decrease size and of course add or remove engines...

    Some of those new rockets will need external carriage and of course they are planning new Shuttle type aircraft too, so they might need 3-4 An-225 types in a few years time.

    Note the Il-112 is a 5-6 ton payload aircraft able to replace the An-26 types, while the Il-276 will be a 20-30 ton payload aircraft to replace the An-12.

    The Il-476 is a 60 ton payload aircraft.


    PAK TA means : "Perspective of Airborne Complex of Transport Aviation"
    Is not an specicif airplane is only a generic name for a future undefined program

    Also the replacement is underway , An-26 by Il-112V , An-20 for Il-276 , Il-76 for Il-476 and also modernizated to Il-76 and An-124 is being modernized
    for opérate at least 40 or perhaps 50 years of life , so Russian Air Force is not in hurry for develop more airplanes rigth now.

    The industry is a diferent thing
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:47 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Pages after pages talking about nothing. I don't even know what you people are even arguing about anyway? Il-112? Plane isn't even flown yet. Il-114 is supposed to fly soon ish anyway. And there is no real detail other than "at least 100 of these cars are needed".

    Am I correct or we talking of something else?

    I think it's eehnie talking about An-2 being a shity plane so all russian plane are shit. And then someone made the mistake to answer him. So now he use red and blue colors to quote wiki pages and who knows what other fantastic (I mean literaly fantastic lol1 ) sources and no one reads it but the orange notification appears on the main page so most people click on it just to remove the orange notification rather than read what he says.

    And worst of all you can't put him on ignore list because if you do, it disables shortcuts on any tread he posted in the meantime (which is 90% of them...)
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    Post  franco Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:13 pm

    The less then perfect state of the Russian Air Force Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/45509

    Obviously the last priority of the Military modernization program.
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    Post  George1 Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:58 pm

    4 An-124 "Ruslan", 46 Il-76 and one An-22 "Antey" are currently in combat condition..

    Only 5 planes for strategic transport..

    For the replacement of light and medium transporters, Il-112V, Il-214 (MTS) and Tu-330 were considered. But these projects were once buried by officials, although they could give an impetus to the development of a whole line of domestic airliners.

    i had the impression that Il-112V had been revived..
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    Post  franco Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:52 pm

    George1 wrote:
    4 An-124 "Ruslan", 46 Il-76 and one An-22 "Antey" are currently in combat condition..

    Only 5 planes for strategic transport..
     Other sources say 10 maybe, still not enough

    George1 wrote:
    For the replacement of light and medium transporters, Il-112V, Il-214 (MTS) and Tu-330 were considered. But these projects were once buried by officials, although they could give an impetus to the development of a whole line of domestic airliners.

    i had the impression that Il-112V had been revived..
    Still under development presently with an under-powered engine, but first aircraft will soon commence testing. New engine is not ready yet.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:30 pm

    They can convert other planes to transport troops. They gotta order more Il-76's.
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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:07 am

    miketheterrible wrote:They can convert other planes to transport troops.  They gotta order more Il-76's.

    they have ordered il-476s which is an upgraded version of il-76
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    Post  franco Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:46 am

    George1 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:They can convert other planes to transport troops.  They gotta order more Il-76's.

    they have ordered il-476s which is an upgraded version of il-76

    Plus they have started upgrading Il-76's to Il-76MDM and An-124's to An-124-100. Plan is for a total of 2 divisions, 6 regiments, 12 squadrons of 9 aircraft each. Mix of Il-76MDM, Il-76-90 and An-124-100.
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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:47 am

    Some related article

    Parlous State of VTA
    Posted on October 13, 2018 | 1 Comment

    Oleg Falichev wrote recently for Voyenno-promyshlennyy kuryer on the parlous state of Russia’s VTA — Military-Transport Aviation. The one-time Krasnaya zvezda correspondent laid out a less-than-convincing “infomercial” supporting renewed production of the Soviet-era An-124 heavy transport by Ilyushin.

    That said, Falichev made points worthy of attention. Still some of his numbers are irreconcilable. But the thrust of his report is significant and grim for the VTA.

    The current condition of the VTA inventory isn’t up to its missions, according to Falichev. Those missions include transferring troops between theaters, delivering large-diameter equipment, medical evacuation, other logistical support, and, most importantly, carrying the VDV to the battlefield.

    VTA workhorses — the An-124 and Il-76 — are in dire need of replacement and/or modernization. The issue, Falichev says, is what needs to be done to keep them flying.

    The majority of Russian transport aircraft were made in Soviet times or the 1990s, and the service life of most is expiring. Falichev reports that Moscow has only four An-124, 46 Il-76, and one An-22 heavy transports in a combat ready state. He says Russia has 26 An-124, but only four in a serviceable, flyable condition.

    Other sources report a nominal (not necessarily operational) inventory of nine An-124, 89 Il-76, and five An-22 aircraft.

    In http://nvo.ng.ru/forces/2018-08-10/7_1008_ruslan.html]NVO recently, Aleksandr Khramchikhin concluded VTA has about 15 An-124 and An-22 and about 90 Il-76 transports along with some 160 medium transports (mainly An-12 and An-26).

    DIA’s recent Russian Military Power pub said virtually nothing about VTA as a power projection resource (probably wise), but it wrote that Russia has “122 heavy transports” which pushes the outer limit of reality.

    The USAF has 45 C-5, 222 C-17, and probably 350 C-130 transports in various configurations.

    Khramchikhin puts this in context:

    “The enormous size of American transport aviation is explained by the global missions standing before the U.S. Armed Forces, especially since all these missions have to be carried out beyond North America. We have no such scope although, as events in Syria show, it fully well may appear sooner or later. But the scale of our own country in conjunction with the configuration of Russian territory (strongly stretched in a latitudinal direction in distinction from the almost square U.S.) and the difficulty of accessing most of it requires a very large VTA. We can have 6-7 thousand km between point A and point B inside our own country and point B can be in such a place where literally ‘it’s only possible to go by plane.’ So 250 transport planes (of which the larger half are medium and light) is little for us since the majority of them (all An-12 and An-22, a signficant part of Il-76 and An-26) have gotten very outdated. In addition, our VTA is very strangely deployed on the country’s territory — in gigantic Siberia and the Far East, which are almost entirely inaccessible regions, there is only the 257th Transport Regiment with 12 aged An-12 and 5 An-26 medium planes located in the very extreme south-east ‘corner’ of this super-region! The largest VDV in the world also require a much larger quantity of more modern transport aircraft.”


    But back to Falichev . . . .

    Falichev concludes that even optimal production of the Il-76MD-90A (Il-476) won’t replace the existing Il-76 inventory in the new future. There is, he claims, a replacement for the An-124 contained in GPV 2018-2027. Nevertheless, there remains a “real risk of a sharp decline” in the numbers of Russian VTA aircraft. And in combat readiness also. Syria and other contingencies, he continues, demonstrate the is high demand for the capabilities of a transport like the An-124.

    With due respect to Messrs. Falichev and Khramchikhin, Moscow might live without new VTA aircraft. It’s not able to acquire everything to modernize its armed forces. Trade-offs are inevitable. VTA might be one. Russia’s rail network provides good internal lines-of-communication. Russia is more likely to fight regional conflicts along its periphery than far-flung wars. That its military could operate without new VTA is a debatable proposition, but one that should be, and likely is being, debated in Moscow.

    Supposedly the PAK TA will be able to transport Russia’s new generation armor — Armata, Kurganets-25, etc. It might be ready for series production in 2027 in an optimistic scenario. In a realistic one, there are lots of obstacles.

    Former Deputy Defense Minister and arms tsar, now Deputy PM and arms tsar, Yuriy Borisov has not only rained on renewed An-124 production, but also said R&D for PAK TA won‘t even begin until 2025. Its PD-35 engines won’t be ready before 2027. He has said modernized An-124s could fly until almost 2040.

    So Falichev and others are left largely in the same place — modernizing the existing inventory of transports.

    Here are some of his more squirrelly figures. He says the VTA maintains the fitness of the inventory at 56 percent — more than 131 of 200 aircraft are serviceable, 41 percent of Il-76s, 36 percent of An-124s, 17 percent of An-22s. None of these numbers track with the foregoing. Suffice it to say that readiness, serviceability, and OOB figures are notoriously spongy. It’s hard to say who’s counting and what they’re counting.

    Falichev writes that Russian transports are simply being overworked. In 2016, the Il-76 force reached its annual flight hours target of about 24,000 in June and went on to get 150 percent of the goal for the year. This tracks with lots of past reports indicating that VTA pilots have no problem getting their flight hours.

    VTA isn’t getting nearly enough maintenance money in the state defense order. In 2016, it paid for only 9 percent of the necessary parts and components. Less than that was actually received, according to Falichev. That amount was reduced in 2017 when there were plans to refurbish only nine transports.

    The production and repair of D-30KP-2 engines for Il-76s is insufficient. Falichev says the annual requirement is 120 of them. He claims there’s a plan to acquire more than 500 of them by 2024.

    Falichev claims Russia’s An-124s get only two percent of the financing needed to service them. Their D-18T engines are a problem since they’re now a foreign product (Motor Sich in Ukraine). And AO UZGA in Yekaterinburg hasn’t mastered their repair. Perhaps because they aren’t getting paid to do it? Obviously an import-substitute is needed here.

    So he sums it up:

    “As we see, the problems are serious enough that they can’t be solved with a wave of the hand. It’s no wonder in Rus they say: the peasant doesn’t cross himself until it thunders.”

    In other words, Moscow may have put off action on VTA until it’s too late.

    To remedy VTA’s woes, Falichev calls for GOZ financing sufficient to maintain transport aircraft, their engines, and components at an acceptable level. He advocates funding to repair 12 D-18T, 8 NK-12MA (for An-22), and 112 D-30KP-2 engines. He says the quality of Il-76 maintenance at Novgorod’s AO 123 ARZ needs to improve. His entire “to-do” list is longer.

    Falichev concludes:

    “These are only the most essential measures. The state needs a long-term, systematic aviation development program, not just for military but also civilian aviation. Without it, Russia will stop calling itself an aviation power and will continue flying in ‘Boeings’ and ‘Airbuses.'”

    And this is really the crux. Moscow doesn’t seem to have a priority on fixing VTA, but it won’t give up on it either because that would imply giving up on its larger aviation industry to some degree.

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2018/10/13/parlous-state-of-vta/

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