Either way... the sooner one or other or both are in production and they can start withdrawing the An-12s from service the better...
I would like to see variants of the Il-276 replace other Illyusions too like the old Il-18/20/22 still being used...
Who will eventually produce the medium military transporter - Ilyushin or Tupolev?
- The average transporter should appear by the end of the 2020s. This is a work that largely determines the appearance of the transport line for decades to come. Therefore, for the first time in many years, the creation of a promising medium transport aircraft was organized through a competition of concepts and design bureaus. We need to think far ahead at the entrance to this project.
We analyzed the market, saw various trends. In the world, the fleet of traditional medium-sized transport carriers with a carrying capacity of about 20 tons is being updated. On the other hand, in the last decade a new segment of medium-heavy transporters with a carrying capacity of about 30-40 tons has formed on the market. Therefore, we have organized a competition, worked out the concepts and appearance of two options for the design of an average transporter, created draft designs.
An interdepartmental working group with the participation of key institutions, aviation science, industry, the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Industry and Trade is considering options. It is necessary to take into account the targets for using the new transporter, including the parameters of the equipment that is planned to be transported by these aircraft after 2030.
Based on this study, we are awaiting a decision with the participation of customers - the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Industry and Trade - about which platform will be taken as a basis.
When working on promising new projects and as part of the UAC transformation program, we are starting to form united engineering teams. Therefore, I have no doubt that the design potential and engineering competencies of Design Bureau Ilyushin and Design Bureau Tupolev - the main participants in the competition, as well as other schools that can be connected to the work at the next stage, will be in demand when creating a promising medium transport aircraft.
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Of particular interest is the M-60, a concept for a family of passenger and cargo aircraft developed in the late 1980s by the Myasischev Design Bureau but whose name should not be misleading with the homonymous project dating back to the 1950s to a nuclear-powered supersonic strategic bomber left on paper.
Shown in the form of models at the MAKS-2017 as well as at the Le Bourget aerospace fair that same year, the M-60 possesses the main feature of a horizontal eight-shaped ovoid-shaped load-bearing fuselage with a straight wing at large aspect ratio, V-tail and engines on the back; a variant known as the M-60VT instead exhibited traditional solutions such as the double vertical tail and thrusters under the wings (four NK-93 engines with a thrust of 18,000 kgf or PS-90 with a thrust of 16,000 kgf each), leaving the particular fuselage intact.
These are projects that, however, seem to have been inspired by the studies carried out in the 1940s by the Italian naturalized Soviet engineer Roberto Bartini who worked on a transport aircraft known as the T-117 and equipped with the same particular fuselage.
An almost similar study for a mega commercial airplane with about 600 seats was also carried out in the early 1990s by Airbus and the study took the name of UHCA (Ultra-High Capacity Aircraft); the UHCA provided for a horizontal eight-figure fuselage design that allowed the possibility of installing 5-6 rows of seats.
In short, according to Russian military analysts, the Defense would like this possibility to be explored for the future Slon; others, on the other hand, consider the hypothesis risky since TsAGI has also been working for some time rather on a traditional formula.
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I would think the Il-276 as an An-12 replacement and an An-72 replacement as well because it is a jet and will be faster than the An-12 with a better payload than the An-72.
I would also like to see a 30 ton capacity Tu-330 made too with different cargo bay width.
Then the Il-112 and Il-114 and the new replacement for the An-2 and I would say they were set.
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The C-130J-30 is a C-130J stretched with ~1T increase in payload; & all USAF C-141s were stretched- it was = to buying 90 new aircraft, in terms of increased capacity. Extrapolating from that, building stretched IL-476s that could carry more fuel/cargo will reduce the # of basic IL-476/8s & future IL-106s + their engines & pilots that will need to be built & trained.A stretch of any aircraft and more powerful engines can always add a few tons to the payload capacity but you have to ask yourself is that needed?
This way with the existing or planned programs they would have aircrafts for max payloads of 5 (il112v), 20 (il276) , 30-35 (tu330), 48 (the old il76), 60 (the new il76), 90-110 (the new il-106), 120-150 (an 124), and eventually 180 tons (Slon)
Emergency landing. It's broken. Video in the link
The C-130J-30 is a C-130J stretched with ~1T increase in payload;
& all USAF C-141s were stretched - it was = to buying 90 new aircraft, in terms of increased capacity.
Extrapolating from that, building stretched IL-476s that could carry more fuel/cargo will reduce the # of basic IL-476/8s & future IL-106s + their engines & pilots that will need to be built & trained.
Also, some/all older IL-76MDs with many hours left on their airframes could be stretched as well. The $ thus saved will be a lot more than spent on extra fuel they'll burn.
The size and weight and payload of the Il-476 didn't just happen by accident... it is already a stretched version of an Il-76 ..
mnztr wrote:Isos wrote:Emergency landing. It's broken. Video in the link.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1327150720798355456
https://i.servimg.com/u/f71/19/35/56/92/emr9uc11.jpg
It will be interesting to find out if they fix it or write it off.
PapaDragon wrote:mnztr wrote:Isos wrote:Emergency landing. It's broken. Video in the link.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1327150720798355456
https://i.servimg.com/u/f71/19/35/56/92/emr9uc11.jpg
It will be interesting to find out if they fix it or write it off.
It's not busted enough to write it off
Tsavo Lion wrote:The size and weight and payload of the Il-476 didn't just happen by accident... it is already a stretched version of an Il-76 ..IL-76TD (same asMD) Length: 46.59 m vs. IL-76MD-90A (IL-476) Length: 46.6m
The difference is only 0.1m=10cm. They didn't want to spend extra $ & time stretching it more.
For extra capacity, they may just widen the fuselage on some future IL-476s if the IL-106 is shelved.
this been done already by 2.12m on the Boeing Dreamlifter.
PapaDragon wrote:
It's not busted enough to write it off
A stretched & widened IL-476 won't need as much $ to develop in Russia & will save more $ on the IL- 106 development & testing. Moreover, having them will prolong the service life of their AN-124s...the dream lifter is wider then the basic 747, but they spent a lot of money to develop that version.
yeah but it will never be able to carry as much as a il106 anyway. At maximum it could end up as a sort of y20 equivalent (but with better engines). It may be useful, but i thought Russia would have liked something bigger.Tsavo Lion wrote:A stretched & widened IL-476 won't need as much $ to develop in Russia & will save more $ on the IL- 106 development & testing. Moreover, having them will prolong the service life of their AN-124s...the dream lifter is wider then the basic 747, but they spent a lot of money to develop that version.
Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Tsavo Lion wrote:The size and weight and payload of the Il-476 didn't just happen by accident... it is already a stretched version of an Il-76 ..IL-76TD (same asMD) Length: 46.59 m vs. IL-76MD-90A (IL-476) Length: 46.6m
The difference is only 0.1m=10cm. They didn't want to spend extra $ & time stretching it more.
For extra capacity, they may just widen the fuselage on some future IL-476s if the IL-106 is shelved.
this been done already by 2.12m on the Boeing Dreamlifter.
Maybe they did not need to stretch it more (at least for the needs of russian military).the main limit of the il76 is its width, not its lenght.
And yeah the dream lifter is wider then the basic 747, but they spent a lot of money to develop that version. On the same reasoning, the tu330 is a wider military cargo version of the tu204.
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