The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

auslander wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
I've had him and his clone hausnabber on ignore for a long time. Makes life easier without having to wade through his pontifications.

Eh, I would block him twice, but sometimes he manages to post some rather interesting news which I don't want to miss.

I am aware of that. You are my filter for him/him, that way I don't have to slog through the clutter.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

So Russia should take territory from Iran and China? Do you realize what that would cost?

And Finland wtf??

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

auslander wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
I've had him and his clone hausnabber on ignore for a long time. Makes life easier without having to wade through his pontifications.

Eh, I would block him twice, but sometimes he manages to post some rather interesting news which I don't want to miss.

I am aware of that. You are my filter for him/him, that way I don't have to slog through the clutter.

Very well, I personally don't see a need for a ignore list here, yet.... Thankfully, this isn't the Butthurt thread. With that, Flagship Karl is the only regular poster here that manages to annoy me at times, so I see why'd you would block him.

Gorlovka, 12:40

   12.40 - reported falls in the area of ​​88 and Bayrak
   12.32 - Hail and APC fly constantly, and now the north-west and north, 6/7, Michurino, Besarabka Nikitovka - the shelter !!! The West, too !!!
   12.23 - again Grads with Kurdyumovki and not only we still fly 152mm APC
   12.14 - again to go to Golm. By Zaitsevo Croutes 120mm tightly, holmium all lit ...
   11.27 - just ohreneli, in broad daylight Grad ... There are wounded in the side Nikitovka, soldiers or civilians - do not know.

Gorlovka, 11:22

   11.22 - Life is completely lay to the north. With my connection only through Phoenix.
   11.20 - Attention !!! Grad KURDYUMOVKA!
   11.17 - let's wish good luck to our children and the local population holmium and Zaitsev, there's just the epicenter of hell. Lay down without stopping. Our stand, but there is a bad connection.
   11.14 - sobschaet that by Kurdyumovki used by us, the installation similar to Grad-P. Lupyat 2, 3 of the projectile.
   11.05 - again fire away Nikitovka. Road to Artemovsk still blocked, Natsik not allowed, right up there with beating block posts, under the guise of human beings in traffic.
   11.00 - all without changes, it falls Golm is slightly to the left, closer to the Nikitovka.

Khepesh wrote:Seems seven OSCE vehicles were burned in Donetsk last night. Maybe they will start to get the message, but I doubt it.
http://ria.ru/world/20150809/1173481405.html

flamming_python wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

WTF are we gonna do with millions of blood-crazed Ukrainian peasants who hate us?

Get real man, the time for colonialism and imperialism is over.
These days, occupying someone who wants out of your country or never asked to join in the first place is nothing but a drag, a slow-acting poison pill even.

We don't need the Ukraine, all we should do is reduce our exposure and investment there to nothing, and cancel all forms of subsidies and everything else - so that we don't loose any more money there than the dozens of billions that we've lost already.
We should also stop the war, by annihilating the Ukrainian army in the Donbass or facilitating its annihilation, so that that organization is no longer capable of killing the people that happen to disagree with the coupists who were appointed to rule them.

Getting the Donbass population safe and withdrawning our assets from the Ukraine is the only thing that matters; I don't care how/what the Ukraine does after that or how they live.
This policy should be permenant, no forgive and forget, building up new ties with the next government crap or anything like that. Any money invested there is bound to be lost for good - it comes down to that, and also that this is far too much of an unreliable and unstable country that at its core hates us - to bother building any sort of meaningful economic or political relationship with.
Yeah I'm sorry about all the freezing pensioners, anti-government people left in the government-controlled eastern regions, the sane Ukrainians in the country and so on. They can emigrate to Russia if they want, Russia is not Scandinavia or Germany but it's still a decent place to live. Other than that, can't help them.

Khepesh wrote:Heavy fire on Gorlovka, seems to be at the level of the bad week in January. Grad and 152mm artillery reported used, people swimming caught under a barrage, power out in many areas and possibility of Gorlovka going offline.

edit: Many casualties being reported and OSCE refuse to go to Gorlovka

Golm, NE side of Gorlovka, it has got worse since this video of two hours ago.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Heavy fire on Gorlovka, seems to be at the level of the bad week in January. Grad and 152mm artillery reported used, people swimming caught under a barrage, power out in many areas and possibility of Gorlovka going offline.

edit: Many casualties being reported and OSCE refuse to go to Gorlovka

Golm, NE side of Gorlovka, it has got worse since this video of two hours ago.

And Russia/DPR does nothing...

Ghoster wrote:
I feel the worst for the people living there. They really need to let their government know that they won't stand for being bombed day and night. It's reasonable to believe that it's even worse for the militia at the front who can only answer with small-arms fire to heavy artillery strikes launched by junta. And the intensity of these attacks is only increasing...

Khepesh wrote:Seems seven OSCE vehicles were burned in Donetsk last night. Maybe they will start to get the message, but I doubt it.
http://ria.ru/world/20150809/1173481405.html

Khepesh wrote:Heavy fire on Gorlovka, seems to be at the level of the bad week in January. Grad and 152mm artillery reported used, people swimming caught under a barrage, power out in many areas and possibility of Gorlovka going offline.

edit: Many casualties being reported and OSCE refuse to go to Gorlovka

Erk wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Seems seven OSCE vehicles were burned in Donetsk last night. Maybe they will start to get the message, but I doubt it.
http://ria.ru/world/20150809/1173481405.html

Khepesh wrote:Heavy fire on Gorlovka, seems to be at the level of the bad week in January. Grad and 152mm artillery reported used, people swimming caught under a barrage, power out in many areas and possibility of Gorlovka going offline.

edit: Many casualties being reported and OSCE refuse to go to Gorlovka

Yeah well, when seven OSCE vehicles get burned in Donetsk, it kind of influences what they do.

JohninMK wrote:Think he's been smoking the wrong stuff

Odessa governor Mikheil Saakashvili has unveiled an ambitious plan to divert China’s New Silk Road economic corridor to run across Ukrainian territory. In an interview with the Kiev-based Channel 5 TV, Georgia’s ex-president said that the trade flows of China’s transit and economic corridor, to run from Beijing to Berlin, should pass through his region’s seaport of Ilyichevsk. “All we need to do to make this happen is build an auto road to Reni (a town in southwestern Ukraine), erect a bridge across the Dniester estuary and enact an autobahn concession law,” Saakashvili said.

“Going through Russia the Chinese goods will take 30 days to reach the EU and only nine via the Ilyechevsk seaport… All the necessary infrastructure is already there… There is huge traffic out there that we can divert here. From here we’ll build a highway to Reni. Then we’ll build a big bridge across the Dniester estuary to make sure that Bessarabia is not taken away… We are already working on this,” Saakashvili explained. He also promised to improve the road to Kiev and to remove obstacles in the form of "bribery, lawlessness and oligarchic interests."

It had earlier been reported that Chinese banks were ready to invest into infrastructure projects in Ukraine as part of the New Silk Road initiative. Chinese President Xi Jinping announced plans in 2013 to construct a new Silk Road for international trade, stretching from the eastern sprawl of Shanghai and Beijing through Xinjiang to Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Afghanistan before snaking into central and Western Europe.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150809/1025547239.html#ixzz3iJnCHTI6

Khepesh wrote:Preliminary data, and as yet unofficial, shows that in a quarry between the 88th and 5th quarters approximately 230-250 people were on the beach or swimming when hit by ukrops bombardment that lasted for 15-20 minutes. These people were mostly family groups with children. It seems there were about 50 casualties. About deaths or type of wounds is not released yet. Golmovsky has been under constant bombardment and the situation there is believed to be severe.

Khepesh wrote:Preliminary data, and as yet unofficial, shows that in a quarry between the 88th and 5th quarters approximately 230-250 people were on the beach or swimming when hit by ukrops bombardment that lasted for 15-20 minutes. These people were mostly family groups with children. It seems there were about 50 casualties. About deaths or type of wounds is not released yet. Golmovsky has been under constant bombardment and the situation there is believed to be severe.

Khepesh wrote:Official data from the shelling of the beach is one dead and five wounded. So not as bad as first reported, but there are other casualties from other districts and the bombardment continues.

Neutrality wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Official data from the shelling of the beach is one dead and five wounded. So not as bad as first reported, but there are other casualties from other districts and the bombardment continues.

Doesn't this intense shelling usually happen when there's a rotation on Ukrops side? New units adjusting their artillery? I hope the day comes when I'll be watching TOS-1 Buratinos raining down terror on their positions.

Khepesh wrote:

Ghoster wrote:
I feel the worst for the people living there. They really need to let their government know that they won't stand for being bombed day and night. It's reasonable to believe that it's even worse for the militia at the front who can only answer with small-arms fire to heavy artillery strikes launched by junta. And the intensity of these attacks is only increasing...

"Self defence Gorlovka" has called on Zakharchenko to bring heavy weapons back to the front, and in an ongoing poll with so far 3,000+ votes, 76% vote "fuck the ceasefire let's get the ukrops".

Gorlovka medical services report large number of wounded. Last time they used this phrase there were almost 80, that was on the bad Sunday in January when 30+ also died.

Khepesh wrote:Preliminary data, and as yet unofficial, shows that in a quarry between the 88th and 5th quarters approximately 230-250 people were on the beach or swimming when hit by ukrops bombardment that lasted for 15-20 minutes. These people were mostly family groups with children. It seems there were about 50 casualties. About deaths or type of wounds is not released yet. Golmovsky has been under constant bombardment and the situation there is believed to be severe.