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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:42 pm

    Just in case you had not spotted it NATO has underway the largest airborne troops exercise, Swift Response 15 in the last 25 years. Naturally the timing has gone down like a stone in Moscow. Note that there are two 1000 soldier drops on the 26th August.

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. NATO’s large-scale military exercises in Europe look like an operation to cover Kiev’s military actions in south-east Ukraine, a senior Russian lawmaker from the upper house of parliament said Wednesday. Konstantin Kosachyov, the head of the Federation Council’s international affairs committee, commented on the start of the North Atlantic alliance’s air drills, the biggest since the end of the cold war, on Facebook. The official said the military exercises are taking place "at the most inappropriate moment of many possible ones."

    "What we have here is a regular round of deteriorating situation in Donbas. The feeling that Kiev is quite ready for a regular attempt to solve its problems in the east by military means and thus get rid for good of the Minsk Agreements that are very uncomfortable for it is getting more and more distinct," he said. The parliamentarian said the fact that NATO’s exercises take place in Europe refute the alliance’s claims that "the drills are in no way connected with the conflict in Ukraine."

    He said NATO’s large-scale war game, which involves some 5,000 troops from 11 NATO allies, is "tantamount to conducting an operation to cover or provide for Kiev’s regular shady enterprise, as if hinting that foreign countries will help them if anything goes wrong."


    More on the exercise at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11810925/Nato-launches-largest-airborne-drills-in-Europe-since-end-of-Cold-War.html
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:58 pm

    Lavrov keeping the pressure on, as best he can. So Poro will be in Berlin on Independence Day.

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said he hopes French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will influence Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and persuade Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements. The leaders of France, Germany and Ukraine will meet in Berlin on August 24.
    "For us, the necessity of exerting additional pressure on Kiev is obvious to convince it that the agreements - those commitments that it made in Minsk on February 12 - should be implemented," Lavrov noted. "We also hope that on August 24, when the German chancellor will meet with the presidents of France and Ukraine, Germany and France, as guarantors of implementation of the Minsk agreements, will do everything possible to ensure unconditional implementation," the foreign minister said. "It will not be useless, considering that on August 26, two days after a three-party summit in Berlin, a meeting of the Contact Group and working sub-groups is planned," he added.

    Answering a question on whether the upcoming three-party summit in Berlin can be described as "educational", Lavrov said: "I hope it will [be educational]."


    Looks like RDA will sit voting on the new constitution a bit early

    KIEV, August 19 /TASS/. Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada (parliament) may meet in extraordinary session on August 27, Ukraine’s Internet edition Apostrophe reported on Wednesday. Previous reports said the extraordinary session could take place on August 31.

    "We are polling the deputies in our faction to know if they think it is possible to hold the session on August 27," the edition quoted deputy Pavel Pinzenyk from the People’s Front party as saying. Pinzenyk is convinced that a considerable part of his party’s parliamentary faction is going to gather for the session. He clarified that the deputies were planning to pass amendments to Ukraine’s constitution in part of decentralization in the first reading.

    A number of deputies from the Petro Porosehnko Bloc said that a similar poll was being conducted in their parliamentary faction. Ukraine’s Self-Help Party told Apostrophe that its deputies were planning to attend the session. "I think that all of us will be present," Self-Help’s deputy Yaroslav Markevich said.
    Ukraine’s Opposition Bloc Deputy Yevgeny Murayev said that deputies from his faction would attend the parliament’s extraordinary session. At the same time, he said that Rada’s secretariat had not yet confirmed if the session is going to take place on August 27.


    Meanwhile DNR keeps the pressure on Kiev by opening the crucial coal supply railway. I wonder how the payment structure works.


    KIEV, August 19. /TASS/. Donbas has started supplying anthracite coal to Ukraine by restored railroad. "On August 16-18, DTEK company made first deliveries of anthracite coal [to Ukraine] via Nikitovka-Mayorskaya railroad passage. Eight-five wagons (5,900 tons) were delivered. Resuming traffic on this part of railroad which was destroyed in military actions in 2014, will allow to increase export of coal from the confrontation zone by around 300,000 tons per month. It is planned that at the first stage, the passage will be able to let through 3 pairs of trains per day, and later the number can be increased to 7 pairs of trains and more," the company’s press service said.

    The Nikitovka-Mayorskaya passage is the only operating station for delivering coal from Donbas to Kiev. DTEK press service added that 300 wagons of coal cannot be delivered to Kryvui Roh thermal power station through Yasinovataya-Skotovataya railroad passage. Traffic on this part of the railroad was suspended because of continuous shellings.

    More than 2 million tons of coal are stored at warehouses in Donbas at the moment, DTEK said.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:00 am

    JohninMK wrote:Lavrov keeping the pressure on, as best he can. So Poro will be in Berlin on Independence Day.

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said he hopes French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will influence Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and persuade Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements. The leaders of France, Germany and Ukraine will meet in Berlin on August 24.
    "For us, the necessity of exerting additional pressure on Kiev is obvious to convince it that the agreements - those commitments that it made in Minsk on February 12 - should be implemented," Lavrov noted. "We also hope that on August 24, when the German chancellor will meet with the presidents of France and Ukraine, Germany and France, as guarantors of implementation of the Minsk agreements, will do everything possible to ensure unconditional implementation," the foreign minister said. "It will not be useless, considering that on August 26, two days after a three-party summit in Berlin, a meeting of the Contact Group and working sub-groups is planned," he added.

    Answering a question on whether the upcoming three-party summit in Berlin can be described as "educational", Lavrov said: "I hope it will [be educational]."


    Looks like RDA will sit voting on the new constitution a bit early

    KIEV, August 19 /TASS/. Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada (parliament) may meet in extraordinary session on August 27, Ukraine’s Internet edition Apostrophe reported on Wednesday. Previous reports said the extraordinary session could take place on August 31.

    "We are polling the deputies in our faction to know if they think it is possible to hold the session on August 27," the edition quoted deputy Pavel Pinzenyk from the People’s Front party as saying. Pinzenyk is convinced that a considerable part of his party’s parliamentary faction is going to gather for the session. He clarified that the deputies were planning to pass amendments to Ukraine’s constitution in part of decentralization in the first reading.

    A number of deputies from the Petro Porosehnko Bloc said that a similar poll was being conducted in their parliamentary faction. Ukraine’s Self-Help Party told Apostrophe that its deputies were planning to attend the session. "I think that all of us will be present," Self-Help’s deputy Yaroslav Markevich said.
    Ukraine’s Opposition Bloc Deputy Yevgeny Murayev said that deputies from his faction would attend the parliament’s extraordinary session. At the same time, he said that Rada’s secretariat had not yet confirmed if the session is going to take place on August 27.


    Meanwhile DNR keeps the pressure on Kiev by opening the crucial coal supply railway. I wonder how the payment structure works.


    KIEV, August 19. /TASS/. Donbas has started supplying anthracite coal to Ukraine by restored railroad. "On August 16-18, DTEK company made first deliveries of anthracite coal [to Ukraine] via Nikitovka-Mayorskaya railroad passage. Eight-five wagons (5,900 tons) were delivered. Resuming traffic on this part of railroad which was destroyed in military actions in 2014, will allow to increase export of coal from the confrontation zone by around 300,000 tons per month. It is planned that at the first stage, the passage will be able to let through 3 pairs of trains per day, and later the number can be increased to 7 pairs of trains and more," the company’s press service said.

    The Nikitovka-Mayorskaya passage is the only operating station for delivering coal from Donbas to Kiev. DTEK press service added that 300 wagons of coal cannot be delivered to Kryvui Roh thermal power station through Yasinovataya-Skotovataya railroad passage. Traffic on this part of the railroad was suspended because of continuous shellings.

    More than 2 million tons of coal are stored at warehouses in Donbas at the moment, DTEK said.

    Akhmetov at his biz again. Nice moves he got.
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    Post  Project Canada Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:03 am


    Russia should declare that the presence of NATO forces in Ukraine is a direct threat to its national security and therefore unacceptable.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:08 am

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    Akhmetov at his biz again. Nice moves he got.
    Your photo at the bottom of your post seems to show just how advanced Soviet armour was in 1945, they look like 3 solar panels on the side of that SPG. Electric powered Smile
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Akhmetov at his biz again. Nice moves he got.
    Your photo at the bottom of your post seems to show just how advanced Soviet armour was in 1945, they look like 3 solar panels on the side of that SPG. Electric powered Smile

    Ain't easy being green man. Communist tree huggers everywhere.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:22 am

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    Post  Flagship Victory Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:48 am

    Maidan getting coal yet again dunno I bet it's free coal like last time. NAF is too generous.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:49 am

    American Eagle wrote:http://proua.com.ua/?p=28308

    Last week over 140 Russian terrorists were killed in a single failed offensive. Brave Ukrainians fiercely resist foreign invasion of their beloved fatherland.

    Give it a rest, you stupid Ukropistani cvnt... Why must we put up with the mindless ravings of inbred haters? I vote that "American Eagle" gets his feathers plucked and is roasted over a slow camp fire. Save me a drumstick....
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:29 am

    American eagle. If I may, got any evidence that the man is Russian? Where from Russia is he from? His family, his name, his place of work and ultimately, a copy of his birth cirtificate? Or any kind of evidence to back it up? If not, I think you should leave. Maybe mods could force you gone since you are trolling.

    Btw, .ua links are far from reliable or respectable.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:34 am

    Way too quite the past several days. Could this be the calm before the storm?
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    Post  Flagship Victory Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:04 am

    Is this a threat? If any NATO troops set foot in Donbas, I swear to god this place will be their everlasting grave.

    http://news.yahoo.com/nato-warns-pro-russia-rebels-against-more-ukraine-164648966.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:06 am

    [quote="Meanwhile DNR keeps the pressure on Kiev by opening the crucial coal supply railway. I wonder how the payment structure works.

      KIEV, August 19. /TASS/. Donbas has started supplying anthracite coal to Ukraine by restored railroad. "On August 16-18, DTEK company made first deliveries of anthracite coal [to Ukraine] via Nikitovka-Mayorskaya railroad passage. Eight-five wagons (5,900 tons) were delivered. Resuming traffic on this part of railroad which was destroyed in military actions in 2014, will allow to increase export of coal from the confrontation zone by around 300,000 tons per month. It is planned that at the first stage, the passage will be able to let through 3 pairs of trains per day, and later the number can be increased to 7 pairs of trains and more," the company’s press service said.  The Nikitovka-Mayorskaya passage is the only operating station for delivering coal from Donbas to Kiev. DTEK press service added that 300 wagons of coal cannot be delivered to Kryvui Roh thermal power station through Yasinovataya-Skotovataya railroad passage. Traffic on this part of the railroad was suspended because of continuous shellings.  More than 2 million tons of coal are stored at warehouses in Donbas at the moment, DTEK said."][/quote]

    Akhmetov owns this??

    http://www.dtek.com/en/our-operations/locations


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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:08 am

    So how much is Novorussia getting for it?
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:10 am

    double post, sorry, ugh


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:11 am


    Army recruiting office set on fire in east Ukraine
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    http://tass.ru/en/world/815207

    © Maxim Pab/TASS

    Ukraine fulfills plan of mobilization’s sixth wave at only 50%

    KIEV, August 19. /TASS/. Unknown attackers set on fire an army recruiting office in the town of Krasnoarmeisk in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region, local officials said on Wednesday.

    "The fire was extinguished by the rescuers. No one was injured," the statement said.

    On August 18, Ukraine completed the sixth wave of mobilization and nearly 30,000 Ukrainians (more than 50% of men planned to be recruited) evaded military service.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:19 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:[quote="Meanwhile DNR keeps the pressure on Kiev by opening the crucial coal supply railway. I wonder how the payment structure works.

      KIEV, August 19. /TASS/. Donbas has started supplying anthracite coal to Ukraine by restored railroad. "On August 16-18, DTEK company made first deliveries of anthracite coal [to Ukraine] via Nikitovka-Mayorskaya railroad passage. Eight-five wagons (5,900 tons) were delivered. Resuming traffic on this part of railroad which was destroyed in military actions in 2014, will allow to increase export of coal from the confrontation zone by around 300,000 tons per month. It is planned that at the first stage, the passage will be able to let through 3 pairs of trains per day, and later the number can be increased to 7 pairs of trains and more," the company’s press service said.  The Nikitovka-Mayorskaya passage is the only operating station for delivering coal from Donbas to Kiev. DTEK press service added that 300 wagons of coal cannot be delivered to Kryvui Roh thermal power station through Yasinovataya-Skotovataya railroad passage. Traffic on this part of the railroad was suspended because of continuous shellings.  More than 2 million tons of coal are stored at warehouses in Donbas at the moment, DTEK said."]

    Akhmetov owns this??

    http://www.dtek.com/en/our-operations/locations
    [/quote]

    As I stated, yes Dtek is Akhmetov's moneymaker.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTEK
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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:22 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    American Eagle wrote:http://proua.com.ua/?p=28308

    Last week over 140 Russian terrorists were killed in a single failed offensive. Brave Ukrainians fiercely resist foreign invasion of their beloved fatherland.

    Give it a rest, you stupid Ukropistani cvnt...  Why must we put up with the mindless ravings of inbred haters?  I vote that "American Eagle" gets his feathers plucked and is roasted over a slow camp fire.  Save me a drumstick....

    Make him feel the pain of the ban hammer, he's only seeing how long he can last anyway. Even the stuff he's posting is a year old, and irrelevant. I'm in favour of Dforce being smashed as well, we're at war, we don't need to harbour the enemy in the name of "free speech".
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    Post  Guest Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:24 am

    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    American Eagle wrote:Brave Ukrainian artillery fires at Russian invaders killing hundreds of them Cool Very Happy
    I honestly don't know why Dforce gets more hate than this guy. Can the mods ban him, he really isn't doing any good here.

    That's why there is that nifty little 'ignore' button in yer profile. Dforce made it to the list in very short order, the Bobbsie Twins took a bit longer but he's there, too. This 'ex' marine is real close. I don't mind, and actually welcome, erudite discourse on the events extant from all points of the compass, but to just troll endlessly, well, Sophia has looked at the four and they all came up wanting.
    I know about that button. One of the nice things about this site when I came is I didn't require an ignore button for anyone. But I guess all good things must come to an end. This guy reminds me of Jitter who was far worse than Dforce and his crew back on MP.net. Gotta give Dforce props for not deliberately going to piss off everyone here, much unlike the reputation he earned back during the Butthurt Flame War. Guess he learned his lesson after messing with you.

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    Post  Neutrality Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:57 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:"Meanwhile DNR keeps the pressure on Kiev by opening the crucial coal supply railway. I wonder how the payment structure works.

      KIEV, August 19. /TASS/. Donbas has started supplying anthracite coal to Ukraine by restored railroad. "On August 16-18, DTEK company made first deliveries of anthracite coal [to Ukraine] via Nikitovka-Mayorskaya railroad passage. Eight-five wagons (5,900 tons) were delivered. Resuming traffic on this part of railroad which was destroyed in military actions in 2014, will allow to increase export of coal from the confrontation zone by around 300,000 tons per month. It is planned that at the first stage, the passage will be able to let through 3 pairs of trains per day, and later the number can be increased to 7 pairs of trains and more," the company’s press service said.  The Nikitovka-Mayorskaya passage is the only operating station for delivering coal from Donbas to Kiev. DTEK press service added that 300 wagons of coal cannot be delivered to Kryvui Roh thermal power station through Yasinovataya-Skotovataya railroad passage. Traffic on this part of the railroad was suspended because of continuous shellings.  More than 2 million tons of coal are stored at warehouses in Donbas at the moment, DTEK said."

    Akhmetov owns this??

    http://www.dtek.com/en/our-operations/locations

    Business is business I guess. It'd be nice if the Donbass area actually gets money for this so they can form their own independent-from-Ukraine economy.

    Morally this is so fucked up. Selling goods to the side that keeps bombing you. I hope they were able to reach an agreement which has more advantages for the NAF than Ukraine. Immediate halt of shelling for example.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:32 am

    This quietness is not normal. This is a bad feeling.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:40 am


    Shouldn't this be other way around? Neutral

    And Poland still wonders why they get no respect from anyone... No

    ''Ukraine to resell Russian electricity to Poland at double price''

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/815359
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:47 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Shouldn't this be other way around? Neutral

    And Poland still wonders why they get no respect from anyone... No

    ''Ukraine to resell Russian electricity to Poland at double price''

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/815359

    I was about to post this. This is hilarious.
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    Post  eehnie Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:11 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Shouldn't this be other way around? Neutral

    And Poland still wonders why they get no respect from anyone... No

    ''Ukraine to resell Russian electricity to Poland at double price''

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/815359

    I was about to post this.  This is hilarious.



    This is only a way to finnance the Ukranian effots in the war.

    If Poland agreed to pay this price, I expect Russia increases the price of the electricity to Ukraine.
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    Post  auslander Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:32 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    I know about that button. One of the nice things about this site when I came is I didn't require an ignore button for anyone. But I guess all good things must come to an end. This guy reminds me of Jitter who was far worse than Dforce and his crew back on MP.net. Gotta give Dforce props for not deliberately going to piss off everyone here, much unlike the reputation he earned back during the Butthurt Flame War. Guess he learned his lesson after messing with you.

    Loving the book by the way!

    I agree, often good things do come to an end, that is one of life's tribulations. I knew he was a liar from the very first introduction post he made. There's no such thing as 'ex Marine' or 'ex Spetznaz'. Dforce to me is nothing more than an annoying summer fly buzzing around, the Bobbsie Twins about the same. This clown is begging to get banned and he knows it.

    Glad you are enjoying the book! I don't know how far you are in to the tome but I will be curious to hear what you think of some events in Chapters 16 and 17 in regards to Annya Dmitrovna, Father Mitrofan and another character. When you are completely finished, let me know and I'll send you some information about the Post Scriptum, when it was written and why. I had debated on including the information in the novel but decided against it. You will understand when I send it.

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