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Erk wrote:It's the howitzers and tanks etc. which are the real targets, because unless they find some sugar daddy like the US or EU to give them more hardware, they will eventually run low. But they can conscript more crews to man them.
Erk wrote:flamming_python wrote:
Harsh?
You should have seen the post that I nearly made, about giving the NAF chemical munitions for its artillery.
Now that was harsh.
I think the trick with this kind of WWII style land battle, which is going on in Donbass, is to destroy the other sides military equipment not so much the soldiers, many of which don't even want to be there. So chemical weapons would not help much when it comes to preventing artillery units from shelling you 24/7, you kill a crew they send in another and keep shelling. It's the howitzers and tanks etc. which are the real targets, because unless they find some sugar daddy like the US or EU to give them more hardware, they will eventually run low. But they can conscript more crews to man them.
kvs wrote:Conventional wars depend on economic capacity. As long as Russia helps the Donbas, they can last indefinitely. Meanwhile the
economy of Ukraine is slowly collapsing. Unless NATO wants to prop up the whole of Ukraine, it will be supporting the losing side.
The current sanctions war against Russia is an obvious link to what I state above. But Russia is too big to fail with such lame
attacks. The official GDP figures do not properly convey Russia's strength. Germany and Japan would fold with such attacks
but supposedly they are more economically powerful.
Now that isn't harsh and a rather good idea in my opinion. The residents of Kharkov, Mariupol and other Hohol occupied towns don't deserve to burn. I can't say the same for the Ukrop forces, at this point they deserve the harshest way to go. Thankfully, chemical munitions do that to you and it be an excellent way to get rid of Russia's chemical stocks.flamming_python wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:Quite a harsh thing to say. I do agree with you on some points however. Kharkov has and still is a Russian city, that won't change soon (unless concentration camps start popping up and I would not be surprised if they did now). Don't think that all the residents shoutingflamming_python wrote:Rodinazombie wrote:
Some nice ukrainian democratic patriots espousing european values again by fending off another attack by the russian hordes.
Translation: scumbag ukie patriots beating up a man just because he is wearing a shirt with 'USSR' on it.
Btw, why the hell is it so difficult to post on this site? Im fed up of writing posts to find that the 'send' button doesnt work.
3 battles for Kharkov in WW2, hundreds of thousands of Red Army dead.
And now some fascist apes run around the city and beat people wearing Soviet symbology. They don't even speak Russian, they are imported banderovite scum.
The city has been overtaken by the Unclean, and should be purged with fire.
But on second thoughts, why bother.
I don't blame the Nazis, they're just doing what Nazis do best, can't blame an animal, even a banderovite one, for acting according to its instincts.
Who I really blame are the Kharkov population, the same ones whose ancestors died to free the city from the Nazis.
If their ancestors saw them now, if they could only see them now - they would spit on them; and so would I.
Cowards, the lot of them. Working at the factories, building T-64s for the Great Hohol Army, probably being forced to scream 'Slava Ukraine!' so much now that they've accepted the slogan as their very own. They've willingly become brainwashed into Ukr propaganda by now, justifying their collaboration with their new found faux patriotism and artifical hatred against their 'sep' neighbours in the Donbass who had the balls to stand up and fight while they didn't. In their hearts they know it is a lie, but they cling to it anyway; the alternative is to face the truth - that they are cowards, and a disgrace to their forebears. They can't face it, the mirror stares back at them, and it shames them.
And some people think that the VSN should sacrifice their men to liberate someone. They made their choice - let them rot"Heil Hitler""Slava Ukrainia" are all locals now brainwashed. Many residents are now in positions where they can't get out without endangering their families and friends. Life there is still hard and if they do something out of the party line it could get a lot worse for them personally.
Harsh?
You should have seen the post that I nearly made, about giving the NAF chemical munitions for its artillery.
Now that was harsh.
But I can't in good conscience recommend it - not so much out of any feelings of compassion for the Hohol shit army (although I don't think they all deserve it), but more because they can do the same thing back, and against cities too.
sepheronx wrote:
What is funny is that Germany's strongest time, in terms of military and influence, was when it was sanctioned by nearly the world, its economy was in shatters, and they re-orientated towards domestic development and a form of Autarky. That was Nazi Germany. Funny, that in its hardest times economically, it was its military and technical strongest. Seems that is what is happening to Russia. They are re-orientating their economy. Expanding Russian companies abroad, building new relations with old partners from Asia, Latin America to Africa. And now re-orientating its economy to domestic as most are speculating.
Now that is ironic... and edgy haha!higurashihougi wrote:Basically the Poles mocked the Maidanists by shouting "Slava Putin!" in a parade
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201508220955-yefa.htm
Ivan the Colorado wrote:Now that isn't harsh and a rather good idea in my opinion. The residents of Kharkov, Mariupol and other Hohol occupied towns don't deserve to burn. I can't say the same for the Ukrop forces, at this point they deserve the harshest way to go. Thankfully, chemical munitions do that to you and it be an excellent way to get rid of Russia's chemical stocks.flamming_python wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:Quite a harsh thing to say. I do agree with you on some points however. Kharkov has and still is a Russian city, that won't change soon (unless concentration camps start popping up and I would not be surprised if they did now). Don't think that all the residents shoutingflamming_python wrote:Rodinazombie wrote:
Some nice ukrainian democratic patriots espousing european values again by fending off another attack by the russian hordes.
Translation: scumbag ukie patriots beating up a man just because he is wearing a shirt with 'USSR' on it.
Btw, why the hell is it so difficult to post on this site? Im fed up of writing posts to find that the 'send' button doesnt work.
3 battles for Kharkov in WW2, hundreds of thousands of Red Army dead.
And now some fascist apes run around the city and beat people wearing Soviet symbology. They don't even speak Russian, they are imported banderovite scum.
The city has been overtaken by the Unclean, and should be purged with fire.
But on second thoughts, why bother.
I don't blame the Nazis, they're just doing what Nazis do best, can't blame an animal, even a banderovite one, for acting according to its instincts.
Who I really blame are the Kharkov population, the same ones whose ancestors died to free the city from the Nazis.
If their ancestors saw them now, if they could only see them now - they would spit on them; and so would I.
Cowards, the lot of them. Working at the factories, building T-64s for the Great Hohol Army, probably being forced to scream 'Slava Ukraine!' so much now that they've accepted the slogan as their very own. They've willingly become brainwashed into Ukr propaganda by now, justifying their collaboration with their new found faux patriotism and artifical hatred against their 'sep' neighbours in the Donbass who had the balls to stand up and fight while they didn't. In their hearts they know it is a lie, but they cling to it anyway; the alternative is to face the truth - that they are cowards, and a disgrace to their forebears. They can't face it, the mirror stares back at them, and it shames them.
And some people think that the VSN should sacrifice their men to liberate someone. They made their choice - let them rot"Heil Hitler""Slava Ukrainia" are all locals now brainwashed. Many residents are now in positions where they can't get out without endangering their families and friends. Life there is still hard and if they do something out of the party line it could get a lot worse for them personally.
Harsh?
You should have seen the post that I nearly made, about giving the NAF chemical munitions for its artillery.
Now that was harsh.
But I can't in good conscience recommend it - not so much out of any feelings of compassion for the Hohol shit army (although I don't think they all deserve it), but more because they can do the same thing back, and against cities too.
sepheronx wrote:What is funny is that Germany's strongest time, in terms of military and influence, was when it was sanctioned by nearly the world, its economy was in shatters, and they re-orientated towards domestic development and a form of Autarky. That was Nazi Germany. Funny, that in its hardest times economically, it was its military and technical strongest. Seems that is what is happening to Russia. They are re-orientating their economy. Expanding Russian companies abroad, building new relations with old partners from Asia, Latin America to Africa. And now re-orientating its economy to domestic as most are speculating.
Fair point, but what if their and our ancestors were to say the same thing 70 years ago? No, we won't liberate (insert Soviet city under occupation here) because not enough people are resisting. Bear in mind that there are still Partizan groups running around in this war too. Therefore, they must like the Nazis despite heinous crimes committed against the local populace. Those heinous crimes are likely being repeated. For example, plenty of Eastern Ukraine residents suspect that Kiev is behind those mass graves in Slaviansk. While it is not a blatant invasion like it was all those years ago, it still was an invasion. I hope you read the PM I sent you. The people there are under occupation from a government they never elected and that government brought people from far away to keep the locals in check (especially after Odessa). Those locals are being robbed of their way of life and the locals are trying to preserve it as best they can and at the same time trying to not get killed. Anybody who has who doesn't bend over to the new laws enacted by the Maidan puts his/her and their loved ones lives in danger. Just like 70 years ago, many people are in no position to resist but they will leap for joy once their people come to help.flamming_python wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:Now that isn't harsh and a rather good idea in my opinion. The residents of Kharkov, Mariupol and other Hohol occupied towns don't deserve to burn. I can't say the same for the Ukrop forces, at this point they deserve the harshest way to go. Thankfully, chemical munitions do that to you and it be an excellent way to get rid of Russia's chemical stocks.flamming_python wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:Quite a harsh thing to say. I do agree with you on some points however. Kharkov has and still is a Russian city, that won't change soon (unless concentration camps start popping up and I would not be surprised if they did now). Don't think that all the residents shoutingflamming_python wrote:Rodinazombie wrote:
Some nice ukrainian democratic patriots espousing european values again by fending off another attack by the russian hordes.
Translation: scumbag ukie patriots beating up a man just because he is wearing a shirt with 'USSR' on it.
Btw, why the hell is it so difficult to post on this site? Im fed up of writing posts to find that the 'send' button doesnt work.
3 battles for Kharkov in WW2, hundreds of thousands of Red Army dead.
And now some fascist apes run around the city and beat people wearing Soviet symbology. They don't even speak Russian, they are imported banderovite scum.
The city has been overtaken by the Unclean, and should be purged with fire.
But on second thoughts, why bother.
I don't blame the Nazis, they're just doing what Nazis do best, can't blame an animal, even a banderovite one, for acting according to its instincts.
Who I really blame are the Kharkov population, the same ones whose ancestors died to free the city from the Nazis.
If their ancestors saw them now, if they could only see them now - they would spit on them; and so would I.
Cowards, the lot of them. Working at the factories, building T-64s for the Great Hohol Army, probably being forced to scream 'Slava Ukraine!' so much now that they've accepted the slogan as their very own. They've willingly become brainwashed into Ukr propaganda by now, justifying their collaboration with their new found faux patriotism and artifical hatred against their 'sep' neighbours in the Donbass who had the balls to stand up and fight while they didn't. In their hearts they know it is a lie, but they cling to it anyway; the alternative is to face the truth - that they are cowards, and a disgrace to their forebears. They can't face it, the mirror stares back at them, and it shames them.
And some people think that the VSN should sacrifice their men to liberate someone. They made their choice - let them rot"Heil Hitler""Slava Ukrainia" are all locals now brainwashed. Many residents are now in positions where they can't get out without endangering their families and friends. Life there is still hard and if they do something out of the party line it could get a lot worse for them personally.
Harsh?
You should have seen the post that I nearly made, about giving the NAF chemical munitions for its artillery.
Now that was harsh.
But I can't in good conscience recommend it - not so much out of any feelings of compassion for the Hohol shit army (although I don't think they all deserve it), but more because they can do the same thing back, and against cities too.
I'm not saying they deserve to burn, I'm saying they deserve the government they have. If they're not willing to resist against even the most blatant oppression, who can help them and why should anyone?
Khepesh wrote:Longer video of all the ukrops equipment that rolled out of Chuguev a few days back
Khepesh wrote:Curious news. Donbass Media Group had posted photos of what appears to be contrails over Gorlovka and asked for residents for furhter info on sitings and if anybody could confirm they have seen jets or missile. To me it is possible they are contrails, but could easily just be a cloud pattern. That was a few hours ago and I ignored it. But now it is reported that five Russian fighters have flown over Schastye. I have no idea if this is true and would not report either incident in isolation, but together on the same morning causes more attention to be paid.
https://vk.com/donbass.media?w=wall-90561387_14579
Both, the brightly rectilinear ones are clearly contrails while the dimmed formations in the background are decaying clouds.Khepesh wrote:Curious news. Donbass Media Group had posted photos of what appears to be contrails over Gorlovka and asked for residents for furhter info on sitings and if anybody could confirm they have seen jets or missile. To me it is possible they are contrails, but could easily just be a cloud pattern. That was a few hours ago and I ignored it. But now it is reported that five Russian fighters have flown over Schastye. I have no idea if this is true and would not report either incident in isolation, but together on the same morning causes more attention to be paid.
Dforce wrote:Any news about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive? It probably starts any day now, right?
Neutrality wrote:Dforce wrote:Any news about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive? It probably starts any day now, right?
I'm also curious about the next weeks. What exactly is going to happen to the massive Ukrainian force on the frontline. They are there for something and there are probably many nationalists among them. Poroshenko postponing or cancelling the offensive is not going to be a popular move with the army IMHO.
Neutrality wrote:Dforce wrote:Any news about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive? It probably starts any day now, right?
I'm also curious about the next weeks. What exactly is going to happen to the massive Ukrainian force on the frontline. They are there for something and there are probably many nationalists among them. Poroshenko postponing or cancelling the offensive is not going to be a popular move with the army IMHO.
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