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JohninMKI can't find any press release that confirms this. Do you have a link please?Neutrality wrote:PapaDragon wrote:So all that noise we had here over those 3 billion was just a waste of server space? Thank you all who contributed...
Pretty much. Now Moscow says that the ball is completely in Kiev's camp. I think even the IMF are starting to get pissed off with Kiev's attitude because they were very positive about Moscow's proposal.
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The Situation in the Ukraine. #22
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This will put the cat amongst the pigeons. From Interfax, my highlight
Two electricity pylons between mainland Ukraine, Crimea blown up, power supply partly halted. Unidentified persons have blown up two transmission pylons supplying electricity from Kherson region's Henichesk and Chaplynsky districts to Crimea, Kherson Region State Administration's operations desk has reported.
"A rescue team, a bomb disposal squad and the police have set out for the scene to investigate the incident," the source said. The site of the explosion, which happened at about 09:00 on Friday, is being treated as a crime scene and has been cordoned off.
Kherson region governor Andriy Pytilov will call an urgent meeting with regional power distribution company Khersonoblenergo, the State Emergency Situations Service, the Security Service of Ukraine, and the local police department. According to power supplier Ukrenergo, two of the four main power transmission lines to Crimea were disabled as a result of the explosion.
Crimean Tatar leaders and public activists who are staging an ongoing blockade of Russian-occupied Crimea, and have called for electricity transmission to be blocked, have denied any involvement in the incident.
Two electricity pylons between mainland Ukraine, Crimea blown up, power supply partly halted. Unidentified persons have blown up two transmission pylons supplying electricity from Kherson region's Henichesk and Chaplynsky districts to Crimea, Kherson Region State Administration's operations desk has reported.
"A rescue team, a bomb disposal squad and the police have set out for the scene to investigate the incident," the source said. The site of the explosion, which happened at about 09:00 on Friday, is being treated as a crime scene and has been cordoned off.
Kherson region governor Andriy Pytilov will call an urgent meeting with regional power distribution company Khersonoblenergo, the State Emergency Situations Service, the Security Service of Ukraine, and the local police department. According to power supplier Ukrenergo, two of the four main power transmission lines to Crimea were disabled as a result of the explosion.
Crimean Tatar leaders and public activists who are staging an ongoing blockade of Russian-occupied Crimea, and have called for electricity transmission to be blocked, have denied any involvement in the incident.
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Well whoever it was, they simultaneously did Russia a favour (further impetus to reduce dependence on the Ukraine and disengage from its economy) and a disservice to the Ukrainian economy. Selling electricity to Crimea has been a good earner for them. Oh well, sucks to be them.
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JohninMK wrote:I can't find any press release that confirms this. Do you have a link please?Neutrality wrote:PapaDragon wrote:So all that noise we had here over those 3 billion was just a waste of server space? Thank you all who contributed...
Pretty much. Now Moscow says that the ball is completely in Kiev's camp. I think even the IMF are starting to get pissed off with Kiev's attitude because they were very positive about Moscow's proposal.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/20/ukraine/
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/20/debt/
Kiev didn't exactly say that they are refusing Moscow's latest proposal. Yatsenyuk is just flat out saying that they refuse to repay the 3 billion. I'll translate and quote what he said:
"You will not receive other conditions than the other creditors. Our initial conditions: lowering the debt by 20% and postponing payment of all debts by 4 years." And then he continues to say that in the worst case they'll just impose a moratorium on it.
I think Yatsenyuk should stop smoking crack. Seriously, postpone it by 4 years?
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Thanks. I saw that yesterday on Interfax. The guy is an idiot, way out of his depth. Doesn't he realise that the unshaven look on a man his age just makes him look like a lazy prat who can't be bothered to shave.Neutrality wrote:JohninMK wrote:I can't find any press release that confirms this. Do you have a link please?Neutrality wrote:PapaDragon wrote:So all that noise we had here over those 3 billion was just a waste of server space? Thank you all who contributed...
Pretty much. Now Moscow says that the ball is completely in Kiev's camp. I think even the IMF are starting to get pissed off with Kiev's attitude because they were very positive about Moscow's proposal.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/20/ukraine/
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/20/debt/
Kiev didn't exactly say that they are refusing Moscow's latest proposal. Yatsenyuk is just flat out saying that they refuse to repay the 3 billion. I'll translate and quote what he said:
"You will not receive other conditions than the other creditors. Our initial conditions: lowering the debt by 20% and postponing payment of all debts by 4 years." And then he continues to say that in the worst case they'll just impose a moratorium on it.
I think Yatsenyuk should stop smoking crack. Seriously, postpone it by 4 years?
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"You will not receive other conditions than the other creditors. Our initial conditions: lowering the debt by 20% and postponing payment of all debts by 4 years." And then he continues to say that in the worst case they'll just impose a moratorium on it.
I think Yatsenyuk should stop smoking crack. Seriously, postpone it by 4 years?
If I went to my bank with that request security would probably kneecap me as an example...
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No country can be a private investor, period, and discussing it is pretty much nonsense from the start when IMF puts itself above all other private investors.
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flamming_python wrote:Well whoever it was, they simultaneously did Russia a favour (further impetus to reduce dependence on the Ukraine and disengage from its economy) and a disservice to the Ukrainian economy. Selling electricity to Crimea has been a good earner for them. Oh well, sucks to be them.
They, the ukrainians, are experts in shooting themselves in the foot. Almost everything they do has comedic value.
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gregoire wrote:flamming_python wrote:Well whoever it was, they simultaneously did Russia a favour (further impetus to reduce dependence on the Ukraine and disengage from its economy) and a disservice to the Ukrainian economy. Selling electricity to Crimea has been a good earner for them. Oh well, sucks to be them.
They, the ukrainians, are experts in shooting themselves in the foot. Almost everything they do has comedic value.
It's just a shame that the tragicomedy being played out in Kiev over the last 24 months has led to so much death, injury, destruction, hatred, emigration and impoverishment.
What will it all look like another 24 months from now, I can only wonder.
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JohninMK wrote:This will put the cat amongst the pigeons. From Interfax, my highlight
Two electricity pylons between mainland Ukraine, Crimea blown up, power supply partly halted. Unidentified persons have blown up two transmission pylons supplying electricity from Kherson region's Henichesk and Chaplynsky districts to Crimea, Kherson Region State Administration's operations desk has reported.(...)
Now is this the "freedom" that Ukraina is looking for ? Free to sabotage and commit crimes ?
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Looks like Kiev is short of cash again.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow is yet to receive a prepayment from Kiev for its winter-time natural gas deliveries to Ukraine, Russia's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Saturday. "We have not received any money yet, the last tranche came in on November 5," Novak told reporters.
This is not the first time that Kiev falls behind on gas payments to Russia. Its state gas company Gazprom estimates that Ukraine's energy major Naftogaz owes it $256.5 million in arrears for gas delivered to southeastern Ukraine for 2015, according to the company’s financial report published last week.
Moscow renewed gas deliveries to Ukraine after receiving $234 million in prepayment out of the agreed $500 from Naftogaz.
In September, Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission initiated a winter package deal for supplies during the peak consumption period between October 1, 2015 and March 31, 2016. It will ensure the delivery of 2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine’s underground storage at discounted prices.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151121/1030502753/gas-deliveries-ukraine-prepayment.html#ixzz3s8bnihTH
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow is yet to receive a prepayment from Kiev for its winter-time natural gas deliveries to Ukraine, Russia's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Saturday. "We have not received any money yet, the last tranche came in on November 5," Novak told reporters.
This is not the first time that Kiev falls behind on gas payments to Russia. Its state gas company Gazprom estimates that Ukraine's energy major Naftogaz owes it $256.5 million in arrears for gas delivered to southeastern Ukraine for 2015, according to the company’s financial report published last week.
Moscow renewed gas deliveries to Ukraine after receiving $234 million in prepayment out of the agreed $500 from Naftogaz.
In September, Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission initiated a winter package deal for supplies during the peak consumption period between October 1, 2015 and March 31, 2016. It will ensure the delivery of 2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine’s underground storage at discounted prices.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151121/1030502753/gas-deliveries-ukraine-prepayment.html#ixzz3s8bnihTH
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JohninMK wrote:Looks like Kiev is short of cash again.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow is yet to receive a prepayment from Kiev for its winter-time natural gas deliveries to Ukraine, Russia's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Saturday. "We have not received any money yet, the last tranche came in on November 5," Novak told reporters.
This is not the first time that Kiev falls behind on gas payments to Russia. Its state gas company Gazprom estimates that Ukraine's energy major Naftogaz owes it $256.5 million in arrears for gas delivered to southeastern Ukraine for 2015, according to the company’s financial report published last week.
Moscow renewed gas deliveries to Ukraine after receiving $234 million in prepayment out of the agreed $500 from Naftogaz.
In September, Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission initiated a winter package deal for supplies during the peak consumption period between October 1, 2015 and March 31, 2016. It will ensure the delivery of 2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine’s underground storage at discounted prices.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151121/1030502753/gas-deliveries-ukraine-prepayment.html#ixzz3s8bnihTH
They're short of cash, but also are pulling this shit again in order to bargain, again. Look forward for EU delegation to talk with Gazprom, again. It's a disgrace.
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KoTeMoRe wrote:...................................................
They're short of cash, but also are pulling this shit again in order to bargain, again. Look forward for EU delegation to talk with Gazprom, again. It's a disgrace.
Given the amount of time Gazprom spends talking with EU delegations over this you would think it is a country and not a company...
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JohninMK wrote:Looks like Kiev is short of cash again.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow is yet to receive a prepayment from Kiev for its winter-time natural gas deliveries to Ukraine, Russia's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Saturday. "We have not received any money yet, the last tranche came in on November 5," Novak told reporters.
This is not the first time that Kiev falls behind on gas payments to Russia. Its state gas company Gazprom estimates that Ukraine's energy major Naftogaz owes it $256.5 million in arrears for gas delivered to southeastern Ukraine for 2015, according to the company’s financial report published last week.
Moscow renewed gas deliveries to Ukraine after receiving $234 million in prepayment out of the agreed $500 from Naftogaz.
In September, Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission initiated a winter package deal for supplies during the peak consumption period between October 1, 2015 and March 31, 2016. It will ensure the delivery of 2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine’s underground storage at discounted prices.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151121/1030502753/gas-deliveries-ukraine-prepayment.html#ixzz3s8bnihTH
Waiting to see if Moscow excuses them for this transgression too, and keeps the gas pumping while no payment has yet been reached.
The Ukrainian side understands only force, they scream and shout for Russian blood and then when they get their ass handed to them in the latest incompetently-led military assault, they cry for Western support against Russian aggression.
They are not interested in negotiations, seriously.
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Gazprom stopped pumping last year so Kiev knows the precedent it there. Kiev paid them a big chunk of EU money a short while back, maybe they are still in credit at the moment.flamming_python wrote:JohninMK wrote:Looks like Kiev is short of cash again.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow is yet to receive a prepayment from Kiev for its winter-time natural gas deliveries to Ukraine, Russia's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Saturday. "We have not received any money yet, the last tranche came in on November 5," Novak told reporters.
This is not the first time that Kiev falls behind on gas payments to Russia. Its state gas company Gazprom estimates that Ukraine's energy major Naftogaz owes it $256.5 million in arrears for gas delivered to southeastern Ukraine for 2015, according to the company’s financial report published last week.
Moscow renewed gas deliveries to Ukraine after receiving $234 million in prepayment out of the agreed $500 from Naftogaz.
In September, Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission initiated a winter package deal for supplies during the peak consumption period between October 1, 2015 and March 31, 2016. It will ensure the delivery of 2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine’s underground storage at discounted prices.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151121/1030502753/gas-deliveries-ukraine-prepayment.html#ixzz3s8bnihTH
Waiting to see if Moscow excuses them for this transgression too, and keeps the gas pumping while no payment has yet been reached.
The Ukrainian side understands only force, they scream and shout for Russian blood and then when they get their ass handed to them in the latest incompetently-led military assault, they cry for Western support against Russian aggression.
They are not interested in negotiations, seriously.
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Kiev is just freaking out that because are no longer considered "cool"...
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It would be the logical consequence of holding millions of your own citizens as hostages, business as usualflamming_python wrote:Waiting to see if Moscow excuses them for this transgression too, and keeps the gas pumping while no payment has yet been reached.
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PapaDragon wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:...................................................
They're short of cash, but also are pulling this shit again in order to bargain, again. Look forward for EU delegation to talk with Gazprom, again. It's a disgrace.
Given the amount of time Gazprom spends talking with EU delegations over this you would think it is a country and not a company...
Or the EU a bail bond agency.
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21.11.2015 Ukraine Military Report
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Ivan Katchanovski
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I just gave a live Skype interview to 112, a leading TV news channel in Ukraine. There have been some technical issues, and the topic that I was was supposed to comment upon was the government report about investigations of violence during the Euromaidan. The questions that I have answered included the Crimea blockade, the second anniversary of the Euromaidan, and the stance of the West concerning Ukraine. I have made the following main points. The blockade of Crimea would not be able to make again Crimea a part of Ukraine. Clashes over this blockade will not produce new Maidan. The same concerns growing dissatisfaction of many ordinary Ukrainians with the results of the Maidan. The Euromaidan was used by an alliance of oligarchic and far right organizations to gain power, specifically with help of mass killings. Those responsible for the Maidan massacre are not investigated even though there is numerous evidence, including witnesses and videos cited in my Maidan massacre paper. Many ordinary Ukrainians were used as tools during the Maidan, specifically with promises of freedom and European future for Ukraine.
Dissatisfaction with the government and political preferences for many people became impossible to express via a new Maidan or via elections. A lot of crucial information about the Maidan and political developments since the Maidan has not been made public. There is no real opposition in Ukraine, including the Opposition Bloc, which serves interests of oligarchs. The last local elections were the least free and fair in history of independent Ukraine. The US government continues to support the policies of the Ukrainian government, in particular concerning the war in Donbas. But there is also a growing criticism by the US government, in particular the US ambassador, of the Ukrainian government for corruption and lack of reforms. Based on information that I have, it is likely that the Ukrainian government would be changed following a US vice-president visit.
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Yes, it was live. As far as I know, Poroshenko tries to close this TV channel or to buy it.
31 mins · Edited ·
I just gave a live Skype interview to 112, a leading TV news channel in Ukraine. There have been some technical issues, and the topic that I was was supposed to comment upon was the government report about investigations of violence during the Euromaidan. The questions that I have answered included the Crimea blockade, the second anniversary of the Euromaidan, and the stance of the West concerning Ukraine. I have made the following main points. The blockade of Crimea would not be able to make again Crimea a part of Ukraine. Clashes over this blockade will not produce new Maidan. The same concerns growing dissatisfaction of many ordinary Ukrainians with the results of the Maidan. The Euromaidan was used by an alliance of oligarchic and far right organizations to gain power, specifically with help of mass killings. Those responsible for the Maidan massacre are not investigated even though there is numerous evidence, including witnesses and videos cited in my Maidan massacre paper. Many ordinary Ukrainians were used as tools during the Maidan, specifically with promises of freedom and European future for Ukraine.
Dissatisfaction with the government and political preferences for many people became impossible to express via a new Maidan or via elections. A lot of crucial information about the Maidan and political developments since the Maidan has not been made public. There is no real opposition in Ukraine, including the Opposition Bloc, which serves interests of oligarchs. The last local elections were the least free and fair in history of independent Ukraine. The US government continues to support the policies of the Ukrainian government, in particular concerning the war in Donbas. But there is also a growing criticism by the US government, in particular the US ambassador, of the Ukrainian government for corruption and lack of reforms. Based on information that I have, it is likely that the Ukrainian government would be changed following a US vice-president visit.
Ivan Katchanovski
Yes, it was live. As far as I know, Poroshenko tries to close this TV channel or to buy it.
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State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after blasts bring down power towers in Ukraine
Electricity has been completely cut off in Russia’s Crimean peninsula since all power transmission line towers in the neighboring Ukrainian Kherson region were “blown up” by an unknown party, TASS reports. Right Sector militants had been rioting in the area earlier.
https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/
Electricity has been completely cut off in Russia’s Crimean peninsula since all power transmission line towers in the neighboring Ukrainian Kherson region were “blown up” by an unknown party, TASS reports. Right Sector militants had been rioting in the area earlier.
https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/
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Retards who blocked disaster area in Herson.
https://twitter.com/imerkouri/status/668221498012905472
Crimean Tatar with pindos flavour.
https://twitter.com/imerkouri/status/668221498012905472
Crimean Tatar with pindos flavour.
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This is true, power went out for parts of north side at almost the stroke of midnight. Supposedly power service to all of north side fed from southside was instituted late last year. Apparently this was not done and there's about 20,000 irritated northsiders who better damned sight get power back soon.
Weather is fortunately quite soft, I'm sitting in my office since I returned with my window open. That will end tomorrow.
Having a clear view of most of City from our valley, in late summer when power went down for a few hours we apparently have the only private generator on northside. Go figure.
Weather is fortunately quite soft, I'm sitting in my office since I returned with my window open. That will end tomorrow.
Having a clear view of most of City from our valley, in late summer when power went down for a few hours we apparently have the only private generator on northside. Go figure.
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KoTeMoRe wrote:Retards who blocked disaster area in Herson.
https://twitter.com/imerkouri/status/668221498012905472
Crimean Tatar with pindos flavour.
See how people are already conditioned on Nazi Level whenever they see a fascist the first they do is Heil Hitler, SALO Ukraine!