Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

I know the situation is not very good right now between Turkey and Russia but we are allies in many projects and should not overplay this bad event. I know the russian airplane came into our airspace and was shot down...

Thats bad and both nations must take care that this won´t happen again. But we need to stay realistic and not act hot blooded now. Russia and Turkey have many common projects. Russia wants a oil pipeline through turkey. Its a huge project! And we want a nuclear powerplant from russia. Also russian tourists are very important for turkey and i want to say your people will always be welcome here and treated good.

I hope that this entire thing is cleared fast and evrything will be back to normal.

Of course sir. After the "turkmen" in N. Syria and ISIS there and elsewhere are eliminated and the border sealed, things will get back down to business at some point. But I hope you won't go making too big of a deal about that.

Mustafa wrote:I know the situation is not very good right now between Turkey and Russia but we are allies in many projects and should not overplay this bad event. I know the russian airplane came into our airspace and was shot down...

Thats bad and both nations must take care that this won´t happen again. But we need to stay realistic and not act hot blooded now. Russia and Turkey have many common projects. Russia wants a oil pipeline through turkey. Its a huge project! And we want a nuclear powerplant from russia. Also russian tourists are very important for turkey and i want to say your people will always be welcome here and treated good.

I hope that this entire thing is cleared fast and evrything will be back to normal.

I don't think you get the point. Every other projects that Russia has had (yes notice the past tense) with Turkey, is done. There's NOTHING common remaining. Putin put it in a way that I personally found shocking. He called Turkish authorities "Sponsors of Terrorism". Ite Missa Est.

There's no coming back from there. There will be no pipeline through Turkey, nor a NPP in Turkey built by Russia. This is final, until Erdogan is at the helm of Turkey. This isn't some mishap. It was an ambush on Russian planes, and caused directly the loss of yet another aircraft and black beret. The fact that Turks shot down the plane JUST AFTER it had finished the bombing and BEFORE it could be in friendly area was done so the Turkmen could capture/kill the pilots. The motion we're seeing from the Turkish sources is that there's NO WAY in hell Turks were interested in simply moving the Russian planes out of Turkish airspace (17 seconds according to US ambassador at the UN). Given where the missile hit the Russian plane, the Turks knew the plane would have been out of Turkish Airspace when they fired it. They still did fire the missile. What does that tell you?

This thing is the start of a deep problem for Turkey, a very deep issue. As a matter of fact you can say goodbye to the 3 million or so Russian tourists next year. Probably severe limiting on diplomatic relations, probably some shenanigans with the Gas. And then there will be the military response towards those people you are defending, abetting and arming in Syria. It will continue until your armed forces will be forced to intervene and cross the Syrian border in a way or another. And I'm sure some F16's will be scrapped.

There's no more normality with Turkey at least in this decade. It's a done deal.

Look...we have interests and i know russia too has interests and in that aspect they are against each other. Why not just sit down and talk about it so something like this won´t happen again?

Our nations must coordinate better so this doesn´t happen again. I´m sure we can find a solution. I realize emotions cook a little bit high now in russia.

Mustafa wrote:Look...we have interests and i know russia too has interests and in that aspect they are against each other. Why not just sit down and talk about it so something like this won´t happen again?

Our nations must coordinate better so this doesn´t happen again. I´m sure we can find a solution. I realize emotions cook a little bit high now in russia.

The problem is not coordination.

Every one in the Russian government is going to see those radar pictures, which too anyone, look like an intentional and unwarranted act of aggression. Turkey fucked up, and intentionally shot down a Russian aircraft that posed no threat to Turkey.

Nice of you to come here, knowing full well what you'll read here, but obviously your opinion is in a minority in Turkey.

But me personally, after today I'll never be able to treat the turks the same, I will not step my foot in turkey, I won't buy a single turkish product, the same goes for all my friends and family. And I don't know what I'll do if I meet a Turk who has supported this. If there will be a war I will enlist. Turkey killed 3 Russian soldiers in cold blood, for allegedly crossing the border for 17 freaking seconds. Someone is gotta pay in blood.

Erdogan virtually overnight destroyed relations that were steadily built for 30 years and a lot of people on both sides are rightly to be angry and much more, frankly speaking most Russians & Turks don`t have memory of bad blood from past and were eager to work together, but i mean there is no turning back after not only pilots were shot and killed in humiliating way but also rescue team barely got out alive (one KIA).

And IMHO Erdogan reacted cause Russians busted his nice profits ring selling ISIS oil from Ceyhan port through his sons Bilal firm, there are no logical and deep Turkish national interests in this, only interests to deepen Erdogan`s pockets and pockets of his friends.

Mustafa wrote:I know the situation is not very good right now between Turkey and Russia but we are allies in many projects and should not overplay this bad event. I know the russian airplane came into our airspace and was shot down...

Thats bad and both nations must take care that this won´t happen again. But we need to stay realistic and not act hot blooded now. Russia and Turkey have many common projects. Russia wants a oil pipeline through turkey. Its a huge project! And we want a nuclear powerplant from russia. Also russian tourists are very important for turkey and i want to say your people will always be welcome here and treated good.

I hope that this entire thing is cleared fast and evrything will be back to normal.

Well you should think about that before you have killed 3 russian soliders...

We need to keep in mind the people of Turkey are not Russia's enemies. Erdogan and his Islamic regime bears all the responsibility.

Mustafa wrote:Look...we have interests and i know russia too has interests and in that aspect they are against each other. Why not just sit down and talk about it so something like this won´t happen again?

Our nations must coordinate better so this doesn´t happen again. I´m sure we can find a solution. I realize emotions cook a little bit high now in russia.

Talk about what? You really think this was about "bad coordination"? It's nice to have you here and everything, but what your AF is saying doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Your AF ambushed and killed (yes your action led to their death) two Russian pilots. It has nothing to do with coordination. It was a deliberate, cold blooded act, which you are looking like it didn't even happen. This is NO accident, I'm not even Russian and I can see it. It's in the numbers. What is even more callous is the lies your media and government is spreading about them trying to get the pilots and how these pilots are "ALIVE". How can you explain that, while even we know that's not true. I hope the Russians return the favour in what way they see fit. You can't open a Pandora Box and then say, it's ok we're cool now.



Tesekurler for the the neighbour visit, but it's useless. You know you don't come to visit before 7 days at least in case of death. 40 days for some cases.

Zivo: I'm not treating him as an enemy. I'm just telling him, frankly and firmly what has just happened and what will follow.

Zivo wrote:We need to keep in mind the people of Turkey are not Russia's enemies. Erdogan and his Islamic regime bears all the responsibility.

Didnt they voted for Erdogan very recently?

marat wrote:Didnt they voted for Erdogan very recently?

Very dodgy elections at best TBH

zg18 wrote:

marat wrote:Didnt they voted for Erdogan very recently?

Very dodgy elections at best TBH

What's his popularity anyways, 60%?

If those 60% didn't have cushy lives, they'd probably be wearing black headbands and burning people alive.

Zivo wrote:What's his popularity anyways, 60%?

If those 60% didn't have cushy lives, they'd probably be wearing black headbands and burning people alive.

Don`t know, i mean Erdogan makes Putin as pinnacle of democracy, God knows how many journos and political opponents are in jail right for "insulting" Erdogan.

Mustafa seems like a decent guy who wants good relations between Russia and Turkey. Do not dis him too much.

But Turkey must pay for what it did, that is for certain.

zg18 wrote:Erdogan virtually overnight destroyed relations that were steadily built for 30 years and a lot of people on both sides are rightly to be angry and much more,

And sadly, the only beneficiary will AGAIN be the United States of A. Turkey will lose. Russia will lose. The USA will win.

Just like with Ukraine. Russia lost. Ukraine lost. The EU lost. USA won.

Firebird wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Mustafa seems like a decent guy who wants good relations between Russia and Turkey. Do not dis him too much.

But Turkey must pay for what it did, that is for certain.

Sorry but he didnt show any regret, let alone apology.

We're not whores that sell out for the next cheap holiday/payday for a gas pipeline.

Sensible people only listen to sincerity. Not infomercials.

If I kill someone's kids, I cant say to the parents "lets be friends again". I can only expect justice and fair resolution.

The only thing the kebab gang are worried about now is a)death and b) losing the Kurdish part.
They still dont give a shit about the civilised world. Mustafa knows the answers to all this.

Yes, he should have apologized on behalf of his government.