The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

Ukrainian nationalist battalions resume shelling of Donetsk - media
World
December 20, 1:08 UTC+3
The shelling was opened from the positions of Ukrainian forces in the villages of Peski and Opytnoye, with the use of mortars 82mm calibre and small arms

http://tass.ru/en/world/845523

MOSCOW, December 19. /TASS/. Fighters of pro-Kiev nationalist armed units resumed shelling on Saturday night of the village of Spartak, the area of the Volvo-Centre and former Donetsk airport controlled by militias of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), a source with DPR law and order agencies told the Donetsk news agency on Saturday.

"At about 9.00 p.m. local time (6.00 p.m. GMT) Ukrainian military opened fire on Spartak, the airport and Volvo-Centre," the source said specifying that the shelling was opened from the positions of Ukrainian forces in the villages of Peski and Opytnoye, with the use of mortars 82mm calibre and small arms.

The Package of Measures, known as Minsk-2, envisaged a ceasefire between Ukrainian government forces and people’s militias in the self-proclaimed republics in Donetsk and Lugansk starting from February 15 and subsequent withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of engagement. The deal also laid out a roadmap for a lasting settlement in Ukraine, including local elections and constitutional reform to give more autonomy to the war-torn eastern regions.

In line with an agreement reached in Minsk at a meeting of the Contact Group on settling the situation in east Ukraine, a complete ceasefire was established from September 1 at the contact line in Donbass. Still, the DPR and LPR (self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic) regularly register increasing instances of shelling from the positions of pro-Kiev armed units.

Under the Package of Measures to implement the Minsk agreements (Minsk-2) adopted on February 12, 2015, 100 mm artillery guns and weapons of larger calibre are to be pulled out to a distance of 50 kilometres from each other; MRLS - to 70 km; MRLS Tornado, Uragan and Smerch as well as the Tochka tactical operational missile complex to 140 km.

In accordance with the September supplement to the package of measures, guns under 100 mm calibre, tanks and mortar launchers, including those of 120 mm calibre, were supposed to have been withdrawn before November 12.

So, I take it, Poroshenko is making more enemies?

http://tass.ru/en/world/845519
Ukraine’s Poroshenko dismisses three regional governors
World
December 19, 22:41 UTC+3
Along with this, Poroshenko has sacked the Khmelnitsky regional governor, Mikhail Zagorodny

KIEV, December 19. /TASS/. Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko has sacked the governors of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the decrees were placed on the presidential website on Saturday.

"Andrey Stanislavovish Putilov should be dismissed from the post of the head of the Kherson regional administration," the document reads. "Grigory Viktorovich Samardak should be dismissed from the post of the head of the Zaporozhye regional administration."

Along with this, Poroshenko has sacked the Khmelnitsky regional governor, Mikhail Zagorodny.
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1. Mikhail Zagorodny was born on 24 January 1966 in Khmelnitsky region.

In 1989 he graduated from Kamenetz-Podolsk agricultural Institute (scientist-agronomist).

In 2010-2015 worked as the Director of the malt plant joint-stock company «Obolon» and the village of Chemerivtsi Khmelnitsky region.

In March 2015 he was appointed President for the office of Chairman of the Khmelnytsky oblast state administration.

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I think guy #3. had to do with http://www.dragon-capital.com/en/institutional_investors/research/companies_issuers/dnen.html back in 2008

http://dniproenergo.ua/upload/Report.pdf

Boy, ppl are playing for big stakes....it seems....

Poroshenko is knocking the Nationalists out of power???

The order from the Master, nothing too serious. Note the 2* telling Ukraine that the US was not going to build a training system for them.

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt called on Ukrainian military servicemen not to give a handle to Russia to resume hostilities in Donbas during the New Year and Christmas holidays.

The Defense Ministry of Ukraine wrote on its Facebook page on Saturday that Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff Viktor Muzhenko held a protocol meeting with Maj. Gen. David W. Allvin, Director for Strategy and Policy at the Headquarters of the U.S. European Command, and Pyatt.

"When the discussion touched the Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) in Donbas Pyatt highly appreciated Ukraine's efforts on efficient ceasefire on the contact line. He said that the key task in the coming days, especially during the New Year and Christmas holidays, is to help the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM OSCE) to monitor the flash points, so that Russia does not receive a handle to resume hostilities," the Defense Ministry said.

Allvin said that Ukraine should build own training system using own combat experience and the specifics of own country. The United States can only help and provide an independent assessment of the outcome.

From Interfax yesterday.

JohninMK wrote:The order from the Master, nothing too serious. Note the 2* telling Ukraine that the US was not going to build a training system for them.

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt called on Ukrainian military servicemen not to give a handle to Russia to resume hostilities in Donbas during the New Year and Christmas holidays.

The Defense Ministry of Ukraine wrote on its Facebook page on Saturday that Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff Viktor Muzhenko held a protocol meeting with Maj. Gen. David W. Allvin, Director for Strategy and Policy at the Headquarters of the U.S. European Command, and Pyatt.

"When the discussion touched the Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) in Donbas Pyatt highly appreciated Ukraine's efforts on efficient ceasefire on the contact line. He said that the key task in the coming days, especially during the New Year and Christmas holidays, is to help the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM OSCE) to monitor the flash points, so that Russia does not receive a handle to resume hostilities," the Defense Ministry said.

Allvin said that Ukraine should build own training system using own combat experience and the specifics of own country. The United States can only help and provide an independent assessment of the outcome.

From Interfax yesterday.

That's pretty interesting!

Google Translate

I'd like to know who said this. There are some LUNATICS in Ukraine...

In Kiev wants to put a missile attack on the Crimean Energomost
Photo RIA Novosti.
George Zimarev
In addition to the blockade of the Crimea should use military methods, writes an influential Ukrainian newspaper "Zerkalo Nedeli". According to the editorial, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were to launch a missile attack on the ship-Cable-laying from China, who participated in the construction of an energy bridge to the Crimea. "If Ukraine has taken appropriate diplomatic demarches, and the ship, ignoring the sanctions regime would have received anti-ship missile in the side, then there is no doubt the Chinese and other potential contractors Kremlin many times would have thought before deciding on certain actions in violation sanctions, even if it is allowed for a lot of money, "- says the publication. According to the author, it would lead to an increase in respect for Ukraine in the world. "The example of Turkey in this sense, is very revealing. For "hybrid partners" need "a hybrid policy", - the author concludes. Print Comment on our materials to Facebook and Vkontakte

Read more: http://ukraina.ru/news/20151220/1015127981.html

Also, what do you think, guys? Is this the real deal?
Obviously not fall or winter...

US nonlethal help sold by Ukrops to right hands
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600#zeXOIsLsDLc1cpqp.99

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600

JohninMK wrote:The order from the Master, nothing too serious. Note the 2* telling Ukraine that the US was not going to build a training system for them.

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt called on Ukrainian military servicemen not to give a handle to Russia to resume hostilities in Donbas during the New Year and Christmas holidays.

The Defense Ministry of Ukraine wrote on its Facebook page on Saturday that Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff Viktor Muzhenko held a protocol meeting with Maj. Gen. David W. Allvin, Director for Strategy and Policy at the Headquarters of the U.S. European Command, and Pyatt.

"When the discussion touched the Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) in Donbas Pyatt highly appreciated Ukraine's efforts on efficient ceasefire on the contact line. He said that the key task in the coming days, especially during the New Year and Christmas holidays, is to help the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM OSCE) to monitor the flash points, so that Russia does not receive a handle to resume hostilities," the Defense Ministry said.

Allvin said that Ukraine should build own training system using own combat experience and the specifics of own country. The United States can only help and provide an independent assessment of the outcome.

From Interfax yesterday.

That means that the US thinks the Russian involvement is imminent.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

JohninMK wrote:The order from the Master, nothing too serious. Note the 2* telling Ukraine that the US was not going to build a training system for them.

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt called on Ukrainian military servicemen not to give a handle to Russia to resume hostilities in Donbas during the New Year and Christmas holidays.

The Defense Ministry of Ukraine wrote on its Facebook page on Saturday that Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff Viktor Muzhenko held a protocol meeting with Maj. Gen. David W. Allvin, Director for Strategy and Policy at the Headquarters of the U.S. European Command, and Pyatt.

"When the discussion touched the Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) in Donbas Pyatt highly appreciated Ukraine's efforts on efficient ceasefire on the contact line. He said that the key task in the coming days, especially during the New Year and Christmas holidays, is to help the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM OSCE) to monitor the flash points, so that Russia does not receive a handle to resume hostilities," the Defense Ministry said.

Allvin said that Ukraine should build own training system using own combat experience and the specifics of own country. The United States can only help and provide an independent assessment of the outcome.

From Interfax yesterday.

That means that the US thinks the Russian involvement is imminent.

Agree bur I'd put it slightly differently.

That means that the US thinks the Russian reaction would be immediate.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Google Translate

I'd like to know who said this. There are some LUNATICS in Ukraine...

In Kiev wants to put a missile attack on the Crimean Energomost
Photo RIA Novosti.
George Zimarev
In addition to the blockade of the Crimea should use military methods, writes an influential Ukrainian newspaper "Zerkalo Nedeli". According to the editorial, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were to launch a missile attack on the ship-Cable-laying from China, who participated in the construction of an energy bridge to the Crimea. "If Ukraine has taken appropriate diplomatic demarches, and the ship, ignoring the sanctions regime would have received anti-ship missile in the side, then there is no doubt the Chinese and other potential contractors Kremlin many times would have thought before deciding on certain actions in violation sanctions, even if it is allowed for a lot of money, "- says the publication. According to the author, it would lead to an increase in respect for Ukraine in the world. "The example of Turkey in this sense, is very revealing. For "hybrid partners" need "a hybrid policy", - the author concludes. Print Comment on our materials to Facebook and Vkontakte

Read more: http://ukraina.ru/news/20151220/1015127981.html

Also, what do you think, guys? Is this the real deal?
Obviously not fall or winter...

US nonlethal help sold by Ukrops to right hands
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600#zeXOIsLsDLc1cpqp.99

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600

Man I hope it's true, popcorn consumption would skyrocket....

Cowboy's daughter wrote:
US nonlethal help sold by Ukrops to right hands
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600#zeXOIsLsDLc1cpqp.99

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600

Looks like a good old cash deal, no trade-in. Hope they got the Hummer with new tyres.

PapaDragon wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Google Translate

I'd like to know who said this. There are some LUNATICS in Ukraine...

In Kiev wants to put a missile attack on the Crimean Energomost
Photo RIA Novosti.
George Zimarev
In addition to the blockade of the Crimea should use military methods, writes an influential Ukrainian newspaper "Zerkalo Nedeli". According to the editorial, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were to launch a missile attack on the ship-Cable-laying from China, who participated in the construction of an energy bridge to the Crimea. "If Ukraine has taken appropriate diplomatic demarches, and the ship, ignoring the sanctions regime would have received anti-ship missile in the side, then there is no doubt the Chinese and other potential contractors Kremlin many times would have thought before deciding on certain actions in violation sanctions, even if it is allowed for a lot of money, "- says the publication. According to the author, it would lead to an increase in respect for Ukraine in the world. "The example of Turkey in this sense, is very revealing. For "hybrid partners" need "a hybrid policy", - the author concludes. Print Comment on our materials to Facebook and Vkontakte

Read more: http://ukraina.ru/news/20151220/1015127981.html

Also, what do you think, guys? Is this the real deal?
Obviously not fall or winter...

US nonlethal help sold by Ukrops to right hands
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600#zeXOIsLsDLc1cpqp.99

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600

Man I hope it's true, popcorn consumption would skyrocket....

Meh, the Novo's should have grabbed the Lada instead, probably more reliable.

OminousSpudd wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Google Translate

US nonlethal help sold by Ukrops to right hands
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600#zeXOIsLsDLc1cpqp.99

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=516_1450536600

Man I hope it's true, popcorn consumption would skyrocket....

Meh, the Novo's should have grabbed the Lada instead, probably more reliable.

Yeh, but the street field cred is not as high!

Prepare for the showdown.

https://www.rt.com/business/326647-medvedev-ukraine-debt-court/

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has ordered the Cabinet to get lawyers ready to prepare to fight Ukraine in court over its $3 billion debt to Russia.

“There’s no doubt that Kiev won’t pay,” Medvedev said on Monday at the meeting of Cabinet ministers. He added that Russia should recover Ukraine’s debt along with penalties.

Show no mercy, Russia. Please, no mercy. Maidan has to learn a serious lesson.

In Sevastopol this morning.

Happy birthday Uncle Joe!!!

Ohhhh, look at this....  

"Russia confirms food embargo on Ukraine: PM"

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-confirms-food-embargo-ukraine-pm-113924709.html

PapaDragon wrote:
Ohhhh, look at this....  

"Russia confirms food embargo on Ukraine: PM"

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-confirms-food-embargo-ukraine-pm-113924709.html

That's all about being in the EU, the good comes with the bad. The EU sanctioned Russia so Russia sanctioned agricultural products from the EU zone and now Ukraine is joining said zone those sanctions apply to it as well. Still they can't really complain, Kiev knew it was coming, along with those customs duties both way over the Uk/Ru border averaging around 6% on everything else.

As Mr P said last week (think he meant new sanctions other than the already in force EU one)

Now, about what we will do. We are not going to impose any sanctions on Ukraine – I want this to be heard. We are just switching to a most-favoured-nation treatment in trade. Which means conditions for Ukraine will not be any worse than those for our other foreign partners. But of course, Russia will grant no more privileges or preferences to Ukraine from January 1, 2016.

What will this mean in practice? In practice, it means that the zero tariffs in trade between Russia and Ukraine will change to the weighted average tariff of 6 percent. Various rates will range from 3 to 8 or 10 percent. But this is not our choice. We have fought for this not to happen. But they did not want to listen to us. They did so unilaterally and in the style I just described to you. But we have to work in the conditions we have.

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Ohhhh, look at this....  

"Russia confirms food embargo on Ukraine: PM"

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-confirms-food-embargo-ukraine-pm-113924709.html

That's all about being in the EU, the good comes with the bad. The EU sanctioned Russia so Russia sanctioned agricultural products from the EU zone and now Ukraine is joining said zone those sanctions apply to it as well. Still they can't really complain, Kiev knew it was coming, along with those customs duties both way over the Uk/Ru border averaging around 6% on everything else.

As Mr P said last week (think he meant new sanctions other than the already in force EU one)

Now, about what we will do. We are not going to impose any sanctions on Ukraine – I want this to be heard. We are just switching to a most-favoured-nation treatment in trade. Which means conditions for Ukraine will not be any worse than those for our other foreign partners. But of course, Russia will grant no more privileges or preferences to Ukraine from January 1, 2016.

What will this mean in practice? In practice, it means that the zero tariffs in trade between Russia and Ukraine will change to the weighted average tariff of 6 percent. Various rates will range from 3 to 8 or 10 percent. But this is not our choice. We have fought for this not to happen. But they did not want to listen to us. They did so unilaterally and in the style I just described to you. But we have to work in the conditions we have.

Still too much idiotic effort to accommodate Banderastan. Russia should impose actual sanctions on Banderastan and let them
eat their own sh*t. They are a lost cause and trying to be nice to them is counterproductive. It is, in fact, this sort of
behaviour by Russia that gives its enemies the delusion that it is weak.

kvs wrote:...........................

Still too much idiotic effort to accommodate Banderastan.  Russia should impose actual sanctions on Banderastan and let them
eat their own sh*t.   They are a lost cause and trying to be nice to them is counterproductive.  It is, in fact, this sort of
behaviour by Russia that gives its enemies the delusion that it is weak.

Looks to me that Russia wants to put back all of Ukropistan under it's control, not just Novo and they will not mind if large percentage of Ukrop population packs their bags and hightail it to EU. In fact, they will welcome and encourage it since it makes their job easier and cheaper. It will take time though...

Russia's approach here reminds me of this Italian joke:

Two bulls were standing on top of a mountain looking at herd of cows.

The younger bull says to the older one: "Hey dad, how about we run down there and f*ck one of those cows?".

The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down there and f*ck them all".

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:...........................

Still too much idiotic effort to accommodate Banderastan.  Russia should impose actual sanctions on Banderastan and let them
eat their own sh*t.   They are a lost cause and trying to be nice to them is counterproductive.  It is, in fact, this sort of
behaviour by Russia that gives its enemies the delusion that it is weak.

Looks to me that Russia wants to put back all of Ukropistan under it's control, not just Novo and they will not mind if large percentage of Ukrop population packs their bags and hightail it to EU. In fact, they will welcome and encourage it since it makes their job easier and cheaper. It will take time though...

Russia's approach here reminds me of this Italian joke:

Two bulls were standing on top of a mountain looking at herd of cows.

The younger bull says to the older one: "Hey dad, how about we run down there and f*ck one of those cows?".

The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down there and f*ck them all".

Oh gawsh... that was bad PapaDragon.

franco wrote:A German crew documentary of the first 9 months of the ATO in the Donbass translated to English 1 hr 42 min;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsQX6Lm142g&feature=youtu.be

Truly devastating. Thank you for sharing.

About sanction

https://www.rt.com/business/326677-russia-eu-sanctions-extension/

On Monday the European Union announced the prolonging of economic sanctions against Russia for another six months.

“On 21 December 2015, the Council prolonged EU economic sanctions against Russia until 31 July 2016,” said the European Council’s website.

The extension of sanctions was agreed upon by EU members in Brussels on Friday. There were no objections raised.

I remember that Volkswagen factory is still running in Russia, isn't it.

In Mariupols, facists is walking and waving their d*cks.

Well, I do not feel any need to stop their mass jerking off event.

https://www.rt.com/news/326715-ukraine-nationalist-torchlight-parade/

Members of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi Azov volunteer battalion and their ultranationalist civilian sympathizers have conducted a torchlit procession in the center of the eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, held under the slogan “coming after you!”

The gathering, called ‘March Khorobrikh’ (March of the Brave) by its organizers, was arranged to mark the opening of the monument to 10th century Slavic ruler Svyatoslav.

Kiev still moving gear East.

MOSCOW, December 22. /TASS/. Ukrainian forces have moved 26 units of military equipment to the contact line in Donbas, the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) defense ministry said on Tuesday.

"Donetsk People’s Republic’s intelligence continues registering movement of military equipment and Ukrainian Armed Forces’ personnel along the entire contact line," the DPR defense ministry told Donetsk News Agency.

According to DPR defense ministry, intelligence spotted 20 self-propelled artillery systems, armored personnel carriers and vehicles near the Nikolaevka settlement (Donetsk direction, eight kilometers from contact line), and six Grad multiple rocket launcher systems on the Gorlovka direction in 42 kilometers from the contact line.