The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Just avoidign the sun can make one look 15 years younger. Asian women (who avoid the sun like a vampire) who are 50 can sometimes be mistaken for 30-something years old.

The only absolute is there are no absolutes. My wife, who is half Turkoman and does not avoid the sun, was refused to buy my wine last week, they said her ID was false. I had to come in to shop to buy the wine. Since it is 00:35 at this moment today is her birthday. She is 50.

auslander wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Just avoidign the sun can make one look 15 years younger. Asian women (who avoid the sun like a vampire) who are 50 can sometimes be mistaken for 30-something years old.

The only absolute is there are no absolutes. My wife, who is half Turkoman and does not avoid the sun, was refused to buy my wine last week, they said her ID was false. I had to come in to shop to buy the wine. Since it is 00:35 at this moment today is her birthday. She is 50.

Give her some best wishes, she sounds like a really good find you made. Lucky man, but then you deserve it.

Not sure if this will change anything.

DONETSK (Sputnik) — The SMM is an unarmed mission which requires security guarantees in order to conduct its work, he added, stating that nearly 80 percent of the 90 interference incidents experienced by the mission had occurred on territory not controlled by the Ukrainian government.

"We have started to formally request intervention from the joint center in case our monitor work is being interfered with," Hug told reporters after meeting representatives from Kiev and Moscow at the JCCC.

The JCCC was set up in October 2014 by Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE to coordinate the implementation of the Minsk protocols to bring an end to the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160217/1034872775/osce-ukraine-help-jccc.html#ixzz40NLbEI7z

JohninMK wrote:

auslander wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Just avoidign the sun can make one look 15 years younger. Asian women (who avoid the sun like a vampire) who are 50 can sometimes be mistaken for 30-something years old.

The only absolute is there are no absolutes. My wife, who is half Turkoman and does not avoid the sun, was refused to buy my wine last week, they said her ID was false. I had to come in to shop to buy the wine. Since it is 00:35 at this moment today is her birthday. She is 50.

Give her some best wishes, she sounds like a really good find you made. Lucky man, but then you deserve it.

I'll tell her. She has to be a saint to put up with me for twelve years.

JohninMK wrote:Not sure if this will change anything.

DONETSK (Sputnik) — The SMM is an unarmed mission which requires security guarantees in order to conduct its work, he added, stating that nearly 80 percent of the 90 interference incidents experienced by the mission had occurred on territory not controlled by the Ukrainian government.

"We have started to formally request intervention from the joint center in case our monitor work is being interfered with," Hug told reporters after meeting representatives from Kiev and Moscow at the JCCC.

The JCCC was set up in October 2014 by Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE to coordinate the implementation of the Minsk protocols to bring an end to the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160217/1034872775/osce-ukraine-help-jccc.html#ixzz40NLbEI7z

These are the same people who could not find where the mortar shell that hit the bus in Donetsk a year ago came from but within minutes of impact the Grads that hit Mariupol were ID'd as coming from DNR forces. These are the same people who have been physically caught planting arty target locating devices in DNR areas during their 'inspections'. Need I go on?

higurashihougi wrote:1) Tie Eater went crazy for unknown reasons:

https://www.rt.com/business/332628-saakashvili-imf-ukraine-out/

Georgia’s former president, Mikhail Saakashvili, who is currently the governor of Ukraine’s Odessa region has called for the end of Ukraine's cooperation with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

2) Maidan Parliament failed to let its goverment resign. Only 194 MPs supported it, while the minimum requirement is 226.

Пока шел отчет правительства, параллельно журналисты и политики подсчитывали депутатские голоса за отставку правительства. До самого конца оставалось непонятным, будет ли поддержано это решение депутатами.

Перед самым голосованием глава парламентский группы "Воля народа" Владимир Литвин предложил отложить голосование по этому вопросу, опасаясь, что не хватит голосов из-за отсутствия депутатов в зале. Однако спикер Рады Владимир Гройсман поставил резолюцию на голосование, которая в результате набрала 194 голоса при необходимом минимуме в 226 голосов.

http://ria.ru/world/20160217/1375783782.html

3) Asswenuts was hated both by facists and pro-Russian Opposition Bloc. The opp bloc MP Vadim Rabinovich brought a handcuff into the Parliament and said that Asswenuts should be handcuffed. Meanwhile, about 800 people of facist party Svoboda hold a protest to demand a resignation of Asswenuts.

http://112.ua/politika/verhovnaya-rada-onlayn-translyaciya-zasedaniya-parlamenta-241242.html
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2016/02/16/n_8256605.shtml
http://ria.ru/world/20160216/1375370814.html

Well the fun part is that Opposition Bloc walked out and didn't vote. And so did Kolomoisky's paid-for party. Also a third (?) of Parashenka's bloc didn't vote against Rabbitface. It's official, the Russians want Ukraine to bleed to death.

JohninMK wrote:

"We have started to formally request intervention from the joint center in case our monitor work is being interfered with," Hug told reporters after meeting representatives from Kiev and Moscow at the JCCC

This is what Hug does not like, a lesson in the realities of how people on the front line live. Babushka told him straight yesterday when he visited Zaitsevo. He is an arrogant bastard and needs to a harsh lesson that he does not treat people like peasants and expect them to tug forlock to devious morons like him.


Yesterday it was reported that two "Urugan" rockets had landed on Lugansk village and I posted that here, then changed it to read "mortars" because there was also a mortar attack and I didn't think ukrops would have been so blatant to fire "Urugan" during Minsk, and there have been no reports of them firing MLRS since Debaltsevo battle. Seems that it was in fact two "Urugan", one was shot down in flight and the other fell by the kindergarten harmlessly. If all true, and it seems so, then good to know that there is the capability to take out "Urugan" in flight even in comparitively quiet sektors like Lugansk village.

Fighting has been taking place inside Verkhovna Rada this morning due to recriminations about the failure to vote Yats out of office yesterday. It is being said that oligarchs have paid for votes on behalf of Yats. The speaker, Groisman, has said that the failure to vote Yats out yesterday has now made the situation worse and that he should resign or that new elections to Rada be held.

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

"We have started to formally request intervention from the joint center in case our monitor work is being interfered with," Hug told reporters after meeting representatives from Kiev and Moscow at the JCCC

This is what Hug does not like, a lesson in the realities of how people on the front line live. Babushka told him straight yesterday when he visited Zaitsevo. He is an arrogant bastard and needs to a harsh lesson that he does not treat people like peasants and expect them to tug forlock to devious morons like him.


Yesterday it was reported that two "Urugan" rockets had landed on Lugansk village and I posted that here, then changed it to read "mortars" because there was also a mortar attack and I didn't think ukrops would have been so blatant to fire "Urugan" during Minsk, and there have been no reports of them firing MLRS since Debaltsevo battle. Seems that it was in fact two "Urugan", one was shot down in flight and the other fell by the kindergarten harmlessly. If all true, and it seems so, then good to know that there is the capability to take out "Urugan" in flight even in comparitively quiet sektors like Lugansk village.

Fighting has been taking place inside Verkhovna Rada this morning due to recriminations about the failure to vote Yats out of office yesterday. It is being said that oligarchs have paid for votes on behalf of Yats. The speaker, Groisman, has said that the failure to vote Yats out yesterday has now made the situation worse and that he should resign or that new elections to Rada be held.

That vid is a keeper. What an arrogant shit. In English "If you want to talk to me you have to talk in civilized manner." then smirks and walks away with his minions.

Tymoshenko has removed her "Batkivshchina" party from ruling coalition in Rada. This means there is no longer a coalition as others, such as Lyashko's "Radikal Party" walked out last year. Clownshow continues... http://lifenews.ru/mobile/news/185718

Tymoshenka second-best Russian Agent after Yatsentuk, and Sukashvili...and Right Sector...and Kolo...and etc etc etc.

U crying best stand up comedy show.

More delirium from Kiev
Pravy Sektor and UPA have given Poroshenko an ultimatum that if he does not resign in the next three days, then on 20 February they will drive him out by force. uh, no....
http://www.politnavigator.net/pravyjj-sektor-berjom-pulemety-avtomaty-mukhi-i-idjom-gnat-poroshenko.html

Khepesh wrote: More delirium from Kiev
Pravy Sektor and UPA have given Poroshenko an ultimatum that if he does not resign in the next three days, then on 20 February they will drive him out by force. uh, no....
http://www.politnavigator.net/pravyjj-sektor-berjom-pulemety-avtomaty-mukhi-i-idjom-gnat-poroshenko.html

Strange. That's not being reported on Interfax.

The blue touch paper has now been lit. If they can't pay I wonder what assets Russia would accept as payment in lieu. How about Crimea?

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia has filed a lawsuit against Ukraine on Kiev's $3 billion debt, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said Wednesday. "Today, Russia's Finance Ministry filed a lawsuit against Ukraine with the London High Court," Siluanov told reporters.

According to the minister, the lawsuit is a last-resort measure as Kiev was not ready to negotiate a mutually acceptable compromise. "We have repeatedly stated our readiness to discuss the possibility of a bilateral settlement outside court on Ukraine's obligations to Russia," he said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160217/1034911406/russia-ukraine-lawsuit-billion-debt.html#ixzz40RERB29s

JohninMK wrote:

Khepesh wrote: More delirium from Kiev
Pravy Sektor and UPA have given Poroshenko an ultimatum that if he does not resign in the next three days, then on 20 February they will drive him out by force. uh, no....
http://www.politnavigator.net/pravyjj-sektor-berjom-pulemety-avtomaty-mukhi-i-idjom-gnat-poroshenko.html

Strange. That's not being reported on Interfax.

More hot air from RS is not worth reporting.

JohninMK wrote:

Khepesh wrote: More delirium from Kiev
Pravy Sektor and UPA have given Poroshenko an ultimatum that if he does not resign in the next three days, then on 20 February they will drive him out by force. uh, no....
http://www.politnavigator.net/pravyjj-sektor-berjom-pulemety-avtomaty-mukhi-i-idjom-gnat-poroshenko.html

Strange. That's not being reported on Interfax.

Neither on 24, NTV or Lifenews etc, but what they say is there on the video so it is real info. Perhaps they do not know what was said, perhaps such news does not fit their agenda because they may not like Politnavigator, same as various sources are not used or are attacked because they do not fit a certain agenda. So on official media, and other places, no reporting what certain bloggers and others say, even if original news. Strelkov, Limonov, Chervonec-001, Yurasumy, Da Dzi, Kassad and others, all persona non grata for some who want only one particular view heard and want to control what news is posted, or not posted......

Grenade thrown into taxi in Makeevka, two killed, one seriously injured. https://vk.com/pravdadnr_tk


Also. The village of Kominternovo has been in a sort of gray area of responsibility, rather like Shirokino just to the south. While it is part of old Donetsk oblast, and so is DNR territory, like Mariupol, Slavyansk etc, for purposes of Minsk it has not been seen as territory administered by DNR at this time. Due to ukrops shelling and to make the situation clear, today Zakharchenko issued a decree to make Kominternovo a temporary part of DNR. It seems only temporary due to political considerations regarding Minsk etc and not to be leaped upon by enemies as a "land grab". http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/47573 What this does is also send a clear message that the debacle that occured at Shirokino will not be repeated at Kominternovo, as it was looking like ukrops were applying pressure to create the same situation. This time there will not be a withdrawl, whether the ground, as at Shirokino which eventually forced the issue, is good or bad.

Khepesh wrote:

Also. The village of Kominternovo has been in a sort of gray area of responsibility, rather like Shirokino just to the south. While it is part of old Donetsk oblast, and so is DNR territory, like Mariupol, Slavyansk etc, for purposes of Minsk it has not been seen as territory administered by DNR at this time. Due to ukrops shelling and to make the situation clear, today Zakharchenko issued a decree to make Kominternovo a temporary part of DNR. It seems only temporary due to political considerations regarding Minsk etc and not to be leaped upon by enemies as a "land grab". http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/47573  What this does is also send a clear message that the debacle that occured at Shirokino will not be repeated at Kominternovo, as it was looking like ukrops were applying pressure to create the same situation. This time there will not be a withdrawl, whether the ground, as at Shirokino which eventually forced the issue, is good or bad.

Can understand that. Hope the geography of the place makes it defendable.

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Khepesh wrote: More delirium from Kiev
Pravy Sektor and UPA have given Poroshenko an ultimatum that if he does not resign in the next three days, then on 20 February they will drive him out by force. uh, no....
http://www.politnavigator.net/pravyjj-sektor-berjom-pulemety-avtomaty-mukhi-i-idjom-gnat-poroshenko.html

Strange. That's not being reported on Interfax.

Neither on 24, NTV or Lifenews etc, but what they say is there on the video so it is real info. Perhaps they do not know what was said, perhaps such news does not fit their agenda because they may not like Politnavigator, same as various sources are not used or are attacked because they do not fit a certain agenda. So on official media, and other places, no reporting what certain bloggers and others say, even if original news. Strelkov, Limonov, Chervonec-001, Yurasumy, Da Dzi, Kassad and others, all persona non grata for some who want only one particular view heard and want to control what news is posted, or not posted......

That's what I was getting at. Official media are not going to promulgate information that does not conform to the 'Government rules OK', certainly not when it is a revolution around the corner. However they now have to live with social media...................

Strangely no mention of the court case starting up in London either.

And on that last point, Moscow stirring the pot

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Kiev owes Russia $3 billion in Eurobonds. The debt was secured by the government of then-President Viktor Yanukovych in late 2013. Moscow has repeatedly stated that Ukraine's failure to pay back the debt by the December 20 deadline should be classified as a default.

“In its lawsuit the Russian Federation demands that Ukraine pay the principal of the Eurobond in the amount of US$3 billion, the unpaid December 2015 coupon in the amount of US$75 million, and the interest beginning from December 20, 2015, in addition to the Russian Federation’s costs in bringing the enforcement action,” the statement reads.

The ministry added that it will be represented in the legal proceeding in the English High Court by the international law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP.

Last week, the Russian Finance Ministry said it had received a letter from the German Finance Ministry outlining a possible solution to the Ukrainian debt issue. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said later that Kiev’s proposals for the settlement of its $3-billion debt to Russia sent via Berlin were unacceptable.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160217/1034931817/russia-ukraine-debt.html#ixzz40Si6yZOI

Putin back on the 'don't blame us' meme.

NOVO-OGARYOVO, February 17. /TASS/. It is pointless to associate lifting sanctions against Russia with the implementation of the Minsk agreements, because Ukraine does not fulfill its commitments, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday at a press conference after the meeting with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Putin noted that the Russian sanctions were a response to the sanctions that were unilaterally imposed against Russia by the European Union. "It does not depend on us, when the European Union lifts the sanctions. We have heard and we hear today that it depends on the implementation of the Minsk agreements between the parties of the Ukrainian conflict, which was supported in the Normandy format by Russia, France and Germany. However, it seems to me that any objective observer now sees that the ball is on the side of the Ukrainian authorities. First and foremost, they must fulfill the conditions of the Minsk agreements. I would like to remind you that the key thing is a political settlement, creating political conditions, primarily — introducing amendments to the constitution of Ukraine, which is directly recorded in the Minsk agreements. It clearly says that before the end of 2015, Ukraine must make changes to its constitution — as we can see, this was not done," the president said.

Putin noted there are other unsolved problems that hinder the implementation of the Minsk agreements. "It depends not only on Russia, but, first of all, from our partners in Kiev. We hope that they overcome turbulent political processes, and the political forces in Ukraine that really stand for the settlement of this problem can find strength and supporters to bring this process to the end," Putin said.

"It is pointless to associate lifting the EU sanctions against Russia with the implementation of the Minsk agreements now, because, I repeat, the ball is not on the side of Russia. Nevertheless, we are comfortable with the process as we are confident that sooner or later it will happen — normalization of relations between Russia and the EU," Putin concluded.

More: http://tass.ru/en/politics/857478

Extense interview with Igor Strelkov translated into English.

I had my doubts about him since he has been portrayed by some as a loony and a poser, a wannabe reenactor playing soldiers, and some of his statements were weird, but if the source is to be believed, he is a veteran of several wars and a decorated Russian officer. I would be interested by Khepesh if in Russian military forums is there any confirmation of his service record. Somebody has to have met him and can tell he is for real or a fraud. There must be some record in official publications of his awards.

Anyway, wether hero or lunatic, he provides very interesting information on the beginning of the uprising in Donbass. Only read a little because is late.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/strelkov-full-military-biography-big.html

Ispan wrote:for real or a fraud

Real. I could go into a long rant about the attacks on him, particulary the poisonous shit posted in comments under the fortrus article by one particular devious lying shithead with an anti Novorossiya agenda.

Unfortunately he lays himself open to attack at times because he is a bit abrasive and not afraid to give his honest opinion, and he has a high opinion of himself, which does not exactly endear him to many. These traits do not help him, but do not make him a lier or a loony either. He isn't perfect, but Strelkov is okay, and those who supported him in 2014 who now attack him should be seen as untrustworthy "fair weather friends" simply looking to cement their own positions and put all blaim for anything that went wrong on him. The only real issue, and it is not his fault, is that military events went beyond his capability and it was essential to have a general in charge. Strelkov could have beeen kept as a figurehead, but then he would get all the glory, and that would have been politically unacceptable with the other changes made, Boroday out and Zakharchenko in for instance.

Yet again another example of banksters beyond the pail. Given the position of GS I suppose this is cover for the IMF releasing last September's batch of money.

The success of the Ukrainian government in surviving a no-confidence vote opens the way for the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to complete a second review and approve more funds, Goldman Sachs said in a report acquired by RIA Novosti.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — On Tuesday, the Ukrainian parliament failed to pass a resolution of no-confidence to force the government of Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk to resign.

"The failure of the no-confidence vote and the resignation of the Prosecutor General likely pave the way for the upcoming IMF review and disbursement to take place, provided that the coalition remains intact," the report, received by RIA Novosti on Wednesday, stated.

Yatsenyuk described the ongoing political crisis in the country as being "artificial" and urged Ukrainians to continue on the course of reforms.

Goldman Sachs argued the no-confidence vote brings into question the government’s ability to complete the reforms required under the IMF’s four-year program of financial aid to Ukraine. "Yesterday’s vote underscores the fragmentation of the current administration, calls into question its ability to push reforms forward and increases the risk that elections will take place sooner rather than later."

Nevertheless, Goldman Sachs suggested that Kiev has likely satisfied most of the IMF requirements for a second review, adding that concerns about the Ukraine’s political stability were the main factor holding the review back. "Barring further short-term risks to the coalition and government, the failure of the no-confidence vote… likely paves the way for the upcoming IMF review and disbursement of around US$1.8billion."

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160218/1034938032/imf-ukraine-parliament-vote.html#ixzz40W33NkaF