Su-35S: News

Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

Militarov wrote:

Austin wrote:Sorry I dont want to cross link this from other board but rather then copy pasting it thought would do justice linking it

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Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

To certain extend only i am afraid. Russians are still to master real data fusion that West was very keen on developing last 2 decades. But they are getting better. Data fusion requires very fast data bus and some high end processors, many of them actually, hyper threading is the key. Naturally some high end programming too.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Austin wrote:Sorry I dont want to cross link this from other board but rather then copy pasting it thought would do justice linking it

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI&p=2308685#post2308685

Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

To certain extend only i am afraid. Russians are still to master real data fusion that West was very keen on developing last 2 decades. But they are getting better. Data fusion requires very fast data bus and some high end processors, many of them actually, hyper threading is the key. Naturally some high end programming too.

That's a bizarre conclusion considering the Su-35 has longer ranged nose mounted radar compared to it's Western counterparts, L-band AESA in it's leading edge of its wings, IRST as well as it's designed to be integrated into VKS IADs C4, if anything it says that planes like Su-35 has superior sensor fusion not inferior. PAK-FA should be able to surpass that especially when KRET (in the 2018-2020 time frame) will be introducing ROFAR based smart-skin suite.

Engineers are trying to fix the F-35’s software package after it was discovered the sensors for the Joint Strike Fighter malfunction when detecting targets when the aircraft flies in formation.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, Program Executive Officer, F-35, said he didn’t have a date when the correction would be made. However, he said the problem would not delay the declaration of the Marine variant of the aircraft, the F-35B, ready for combat.

“When you have two, three or four F-35s looking at the same threat, they don’t all see it exactly the same because of the angles that they are looking at and what their sensors pick up,” Bogdan told reporters Tuesday. “When there is a slight difference in what those four airplanes might be seeing, the fusion model can’t decide if it’s one threat or more than one threat. If two airplanes are looking at the same thing, they see it slightly differently because of the physics of it.”

For example, if a group of F-35s detect a single ground threat such as anti-aircraft weaponry, the sensors on the planes may have trouble distinguishing whether it was an isolated threat or several objects, Bogdan explained....

medo wrote:After introducing L-150 Pastel RWR, modern Russian fighters receive similar sensor fusion and they don't need special RWR indicator like with old SPO-15 Beryoza. All informations now are integrated in situational picture, which show all informations collected from different sensors. Pastel is also used for launching anti-radar missiles and the newest versions could as well be used for launching new R-77-1 missiles, so it is well connected into main FCS computer, which collect and fuse together all information from all sensors on board as well as from data link. Su-35 also have MAWS and LWR sensors, which cover whole sphere around jet, so it is no worse in its capabilities than Rafale. Only thing it lack is DIRCM, but on the other hand we do not know, how effective are new flares against new IIR homing head AAMs.

Militarov wrote:One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.

Militarov wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Austin wrote:Sorry I dont want to cross link this from other board but rather then copy pasting it thought would do justice linking it

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI&p=2308685#post2308685

Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

To certain extend only i am afraid. Russians are still to master real data fusion that West was very keen on developing last 2 decades. But they are getting better. Data fusion requires very fast data bus and some high end processors, many of them actually, hyper threading is the key. Naturally some high end programming too.

That's a bizarre conclusion considering the Su-35 has longer ranged nose mounted radar compared to it's Western counterparts, L-band AESA in it's leading edge of its wings, IRST as well as it's designed to be integrated into VKS IADs C4, if anything it says that planes like Su-35 has superior sensor fusion not inferior. PAK-FA should be able to surpass that especially when KRET (in the 2018-2020 time frame) will be introducing ROFAR based smart-skin suite.

One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.

Militarov wrote: One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.

TheArmenian wrote:

Too much filtering and too much reliance on technology:
- Things will not work as expected
- The opponent will find ways to fool the gadgets
- The pilot may begin to have doubts on the system provided information during crucial times
- More things to break down
- Who needs pilots anymore?

franco wrote:MOSCOW, June 3 -. The pilots Western military district ( ZVO ) trained management with the latest multi-purpose fighter Su-35 in the Lipetsk center, which will go into service ZVO end of this year, said the head of the press service of the district Igor Mugina.

In the theoretical lessons pilots mastered the tactical and technical characteristics of the aircraft, especially its piloting and technological base.

"After passing the theory of aircraft crews have passed a specialized course on the ground simulators, performing flights on a circle, along the route and in the zone, as well as worked to intercept air targets", - he said.

Two managers of Su-35 advanced multi-role super-maneuverable fighter planned to introduce in the fighter units of mixed aviation division ZVO end of this year.

NOTE: Besovets is the rumored location of the next Su-35 unit to be formed.

The main part of the negotiations is complete and talks have now entered their final stage, with the sides discussing the matter of transferring technology from Russia to the Indonesia, Supriyadi told RIA Novosti.

The Indonesian side will buy eight fighter jets in what will become the first stage of cooperation in the given area, he added.

All of Indonesia's military pronouncements are supplemented by the transfer of technology in accordance with the country's laws, the ambassador explained, noting that the Russian side has not voiced disagreement and only formalities remain before the deal is closed.

eridan wrote:How come there are basically no images of Su-35 with wingtip jammer pods? I remember seeing just one, back from the testing phase days. Couldn't decide if those were SAP-518 or older model.

So, question is: is there a source confirming SAP518 on active duty Su35 in RuAF? Or are there (multiple) images of active duty Su-35 with such pods?

hoom wrote:So do they actually dismount the missile rail to mount those jammer pods or is there some variety in the build where some have it & others have missile rails?

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