Cold War II_(US-West vs Russia/China tensions)

The U.S. is terrible concerned about discrimination towards the Uighurs. Not so much by the discrimination against the Palestinians.

kvs wrote:

This fits this thread since it underscores the depravity of Uncle Swine-shit.

During the failed meeting with Chinese officials in Anchorage, Alaska, the Bidet administration tried to stage a public
humiliation with the attack of the standard tropes.   Uighur "genocide", Hong Kong "repression", LGBTXYZ special rights
denial, "respect" for the environment, and of course the Tibet "occupation" (in this case they actually have some
validity in the accusation).   The Chinese came prepared and responded point by point to the US attack and
noted that the US has not authority to attack China on behalf of the planet.   Of course, the US attack included
the usual "China is destabilizing the situation" braying when in fact it is the US with its dick waving in the South China
Sea that is pulling the gunboat "diplomacy" card.  

But the exchange above involved yanqui dirty tricks.   Supposedly there was an agreement that individual attendees
would not take more than 2 minutes to make their statements.    The yanquis broke the agreed to terms first by taking
10 minutes or longer to rant against China.   This promoted the Chinese to reply point by point and it took one Chinese
diplomat 15 minutes.    After the meeting the yanquis accused China of breaking the 2 minute limit.   Hypocrisy is
clearly congenital in yanquis.  (BTW, the RBC report on this meeting excludes the above details).

Now we have a suicide bombing in southern China, Guangzhou.  What a coincidence.   I recall similar coincidences
in happening in Russia as well.    The same Wahabbi excrement was involved in Russia as in China.  And these
Wahabbi "Muslims" are the product of brainwashing by Saudi clerics and their acolytes.   Recall that Saudi Arabia
is a US protectorate and that the USA is allied with the jihadis in Syria (and Central Asia).    In the video its noted
that this may be some disgruntled individual who had a problem with the "regime" like the clown who staged the
shooting near Lubyanka not too long ago.   But in my opinion the modus operandi smells of a radicalized jihadi.  
The timing is just absurd, since it looks like a message to Lavrov who is about to come to China for some serious
meetings.

Do you have some source on that suicide bombing being carried out by a muslim radical?

https://www.rt.com/news/518828-bombing-government-office-guangzhou/

It was not an Uighur. So my speculation is off in terms of the Wahabbi angle. Ostashko did not say it was a Wahhabi drone, but
it seemed like it would have been one since they have already staged such suicide bombings. I would think it would be easier
for some local nut case to use a gun to kill his "tormentors" than getting his hands on real explosives (judging from the amount
of damage). So the case smells of foreign meddling (actual meddling, not election "meddling").

Very good analysis.

https://thesaker.is/pepe-escobar-and-jeff-j-brown/

If there is a cold War II , then it will be very different to cold War I. The USA is a diminishing power. China is rising. Russia has different relationship  ( closer) to Europe.  Even some in USA see this coming. Trump was the first of the few. He may even be elected again. NATO may not exist in the near future.Russia is well to keep it's nuclear detterent. No need for build up of conventional arms race. Russia and  China can pull the rest of Asia and Europe closer together. I think that the American influence will be limited in the future, with support coming from undemocratic failed ethnic states at war with neighbours or dictatorships or anglophones or  protectorates.

So those with detterent power will survive the violent death spasms of a dying Empire. But those without may not. But even then, I think that environmental collapse, will take care of the rest.

nomadski wrote:If there is a cold War II , then it will be very different to cold War I. The USA is a diminishing power. China is rising. Russia has different relationship  ( closer) to Europe.  Even some in USA see this coming. Trump was the first of the few. He may even be elected again. NATO may not exist in the near future.Russia is well to keep it's nuclear detterent. No need for build up of conventional arms race. Russia and  China can pull the rest of Asia and Europe closer together. I think that the American influence will be limited in the future, with support coming from undemocratic failed ethnic states at war with neighbours or dictatorships or anglophones or  protectorates.

So those with detterent power will survive the violent death spasms of a dying Empire. But those without may not. But even then, I think that environmental collapse, will take care of the rest.

No, no my friend, Trump was nothing more than the last dying gasp of the actual conservatism in America, in fact he is probly the Last American president.
The Right thought they were gonna rise again, only to be completely backstabbed by their own party and left for dead.

Think the fall of Troy, Trump rallying the Trojans pushing back the Socialist Greeks, only to at the final moment, the final push, to be stabbed in the back by all his officers and even his Second-in-command, now the defenses collapse and the city Falls.

There is not gonna be a second term.

AlfaT8 wrote:

nomadski wrote:If there is a cold War II , then it will be very different to cold War I. The USA is a diminishing power. China is rising. Russia has different relationship  ( closer) to Europe.  Even some in USA see this coming. Trump was the first of the few. He may even be elected again. NATO may not exist in the near future.Russia is well to keep it's nuclear detterent. No need for build up of conventional arms race. Russia and  China can pull the rest of Asia and Europe closer together. I think that the American influence will be limited in the future, with support coming from undemocratic failed ethnic states at war with neighbours or dictatorships or anglophones or  protectorates.

So those with detterent power will survive the violent death spasms of a dying Empire. But those without may not. But even then, I think that environmental collapse, will take care of the rest.

No, no my friend, Trump was nothing more than the last dying gasp of the actual conservatism in America, in fact he is probly the Last American president.
The Right thought they were gonna rise again, only to be completely backstabbed by their own party and left for dead.

Think the fall of Troy, Trump rallying the Trojans pushing back the Socialist Greeks, only to at the final moment, the final push, to be stabbed in the back by all his officers and even his Second-in-command, now the defenses collapse and the city Falls.

There is not gonna be a second term.

While I agree with you that there won't be a second term, as they will simply flood key states with migrants/cheat their way out/change the election al procedures in such a way that there won't be any point anymore, i don't agree with everything else

1. Trump is not a Conservative. He's an 80s Democrat who time travelled to our current day and instantly turned Orange Hitler

You can't be 'conservative' and pro-gay marriage, pro-legal replacement and pro-neo liberalism

2. Trump, in the end, was not the man many thought him to be. It is important to make the distinction between 1. Trump's America First constituency - the real backbone, Heritage Americans, 2. his Chabbad Zionist financiers and advisors - most notably the Sheldon Adelson - Jared Kushner- Bibi Netanyahu axis and 3. the countless grifting vultures circling around this circus (like pedo Matt Gaetz)

Especially 1 and 2 proved un-mingable. Trump, in the end, did betray his constituency and sold out to the Zionists

3. Trump was not nearly the 4D chess politician people claimed he was. He was out manoeuvred by Big Tech, the Zionists and the media and the Deep State from day 1. He never tapped into his America First following and kept appointing the same hook nosed apparatchiks as usual. He never took on Big Tech. He saw the election fraud being prepared from miles away and was unable to stop and/or counter. The rest is history

The pointless rally on January 6th was rock bottom. If you are this easily outplayed by your enemies you don't deserve this massive a following

4. A personal point of critique. Trump didn't give a shit about the people that put him in power, despite giving the idea that it was the opposite. Dozens of good people died for him, hundreds were put away for decades and even life in defense on him and his ideas

Has he ever apologised? Did he ever stand up for his people? Do as much as mention any of them? Help their families in these times of need?

They didn't exist to him, and were thrown away in the trashcan like a used condom after a night with a promiscuous slut

I am also positive of Trump selling out in the days after January 6th. They likely struck a deal granting him a free life in turn for him accepting the Steal.

It's really best we move on from the Trump era. The longer the man stays in the spotlights, the longer he will give people hope and keep them believing in the political system.

elconquistador wrote:While I agree with you that there won't be a second term, as they will simply flood key states with migrants/cheat their way out/change the election al procedures in such a way that there won't be any point anymore, i don't agree with everything else

1. Trump is not a Conservative. He's an 80s Democrat who time travelled to our current day and instantly turned Orange Hitler

You can't be 'conservative' and pro-gay marriage, pro-legal replacement and pro-neo liberalism

2. Trump, in the end, was not the man many thought him to be. It is important to make the distinction between 1. Trump's America First constituency - the real backbone, Heritage Americans, 2. his Chabbad Zionist financiers and advisors - most notably the Sheldon Adelson - Jared Kushner- Bibi Netanyahu axis and 3. the countless grifting vultures circling around this circus (like pedo Matt Gaetz)

Especially 1 and 2 proved un-mingable. Trump, in the end, did betray his constituency and sold out to the Zionists

3. Trump was not nearly the 4D chess politician people claimed he was. He was out manoeuvred by Big Tech, the Zionists and the media and the Deep State from day 1. He never tapped into his America First following and kept appointing the same hook nosed apparatchiks as usual. He never took on Big Tech. He saw the election fraud being prepared from miles away and was unable to stop and/or counter. The rest is history

The pointless rally on January 6th was rock bottom. If you are this easily outplayed by your enemies you don't deserve this massive a following

4. A personal point of critique. Trump didn't give a shit about the people that put him in power, despite giving the idea that it was the opposite. Dozens of good people died for him, hundreds were put away for decades and even life in defense on him and his ideas

Has he ever apologised? Did he ever stand up for his people? Do as much as mention any of them? Help their families in these times of need?

They didn't exist to him, and were thrown away in the trashcan like a used condom after a night with a promiscuous slut

I am also positive of Trump selling out in the days after January 6th. They likely struck a deal granting him a free life in turn for him accepting the Steal.

It's really best we move on from the Trump era. The longer the man stays in the spotlights, the longer he will give people hope and keep them believing in the political system.

Well looks like i really oversold it, to clarify, i ain't no Trump fan, i just find it funny that so many people thought he was their savior, but in the end, no.
At the very least at the final year he did come to realize how bad the situation was, and throughout he was confronting the Leftist nonsense, at least to some extent, but the hour was latter than he thought, Sauron's forces were all ready.

1: Of course he wasn't a conservative, but compared to Romney and McCain, the previous candidates, he may as well have been Reagan.

2: I am not a believer in the "Zion" thing, nor the "Big bank rule all" thing either.

3: One man cannot rule alone, such is The Rules for Rulers, if those who support the ruler all betray him then what can he do?
The only option he had was to rally his supporters and truly storm the capitol, sadly such was a fantasy, Trump is simply a nitwit that believed these things can be done peacefully
He was warned since day 1 of his presidency to deal with section 230, he and the GOP were complete fools for not dealing with that, among many other things.

4: Like i said, he wasn't a believer in violent methods to retain power and his betrayal was total, the first point alone meant it was over before it even started.
The idiot.

@AlfaT8

1. The rot goes much deeper than you acknowledge. Ronald Reagan started out somewhat independent, but in the end caved in to the USA's true owners as always. He was a Mason (and has been photographed at the Bohemian Grove) and was the who started this shit by amnestying millions of unwanted illegals in the first place. He was the guy that started the pro big business, pro free markets BS that permanently impoverished tens of millions of Americans

As for his motives, I think he was a genuine guy, just clueless and easily manipulated.

2. You are not a 'believer' in the fact that private bankers (who are basically all from a certain tribe) control the money supply of the USA and any other Western country?

You also don't believe that Trumps largest donor (by far) is Chabbad Zionist casino pimp who was a close friend with Bibi and who squirmed his own man (Kushner, who also owns the family residence where Bibi stays if he visits the States on non state visits) in there to keep a tab on things?

Uhhh OK.

3. Trump had 75 million red blooded Americans behind him, he chose not to pick any of them but instead put his eggs in the nest of DC careerists, boomer morons and proven Con. Inc. Traitors

His pickings were abysmal. Even after the election he came up with names that would most have believe that he indeed was part of the Deep State

Same goes for Big Tech. Section 230? A stroke of a pen away, instead he chose to do nothing, keep barking (but no biting!) and kept using (and thereby giving legitimacy) to the same legacy media outlets that wanted his head on a pike

The dude was way too nice and in general a believer of true American principles (that have long died out)

4. Right. I still can't believe he actually tried to get his way through the courts (instead of just trying to show their corruptness)

Big clownshow. Don needs to enjoy his last years at the beach in Florida and stay far, FAR away from any  remotely related to politics.

elconquistador wrote:@AlfaT8

1. The rot goes much deeper than you acknowledge. Ronald Reagan started out somewhat independent, but in the end caved in to the USA's true owners as always. He was a Mason (and has been photographed at the Bohemian Grove) and was the who started this shit by amnestying millions of unwanted illegals in the first place. He was the guy that started the pro big business, pro free markets BS that permanently impoverished tens of millions of Americans

As for his motives, I think he was a genuine guy, just clueless and easily manipulated.

2. You are not a 'believer' in the fact that private bankers (who are basically all from a certain tribe) control the money supply of the USA and any other Western country?

You also don't believe that Trumps largest donor (by far) is  Chabbad Zionist casino pimp who was a close friend with Bibi and who squirmed his own man (Kushner, who also owns the family residence where Bibi stays if he visits the States on non state visits) in there to keep a tab on things?

Uhhh OK.

3. Trump had 75 million red blooded Americans behind him, he chose not to pick any of them but instead put his eggs in the nest of DC careerists, boomer morons and proven Con. Inc. Traitors

His pickings were abysmal. Even after the election he came up with names that would most have believe that he indeed was part of the Deep State

Same goes for Big Tech. Section 230? A stroke of a pen away, instead he chose to do nothing, keep barking (but no biting!) and kept using (and thereby giving legitimacy) to the same legacy media outlets that wanted his head on a pike

The dude was way too nice and in general a believer of true American principles (that have long died out)

4. Right. I still can't believe he actually tried to get his way through the courts (instead of just trying to show their corruptness)

Big clownshow. Don needs to enjoy his last years at the beach in Florida and stay far, FAR away from any  remotely related to politics.

1: Promises were made with Reagan after he left those promises were not kept, Amnesty was one of the big ones.

2: Yes, i don't buy it, the question is who has the Guns, who has the Army, who has the IRS, who has the FBI, who has the CIA, guess what it's not the Bankers.
Too many people believe that money is the final arbiter, NO, force is the final arbiter.
And force does not belong to the Banker it belongs to the Politician.

When the Left go's "Eat the Rich" is understandable, but when the Right also go "Eat the Rich" that's when you know something has gone horribly wrong, and someone is being manipulated, IMO.

3: Yup, he had the chance, but nothing was done, despite the obvious consequences, and his picks were completely stupid, Bolton was on his team at one point, like WTF?
He was true believer of American principles, to the point of trying to negotiate with the Dems to make the country better, it was a fools errand.

4: Well there is an incredible amount of people who still believe the courts, seriously it's not just Trump, it's the majority of the Right, it's nuts.

The descriptions of " Conservative" and " left wing" in American political lingo, are misleading. They do not correspond to the usual understanding of these terms. The fight in US, is between the nationalists and the Liberals. It has just picked up pace. And intensifying.

For the world, in the near term, it makes little difference. The US foreign policy will remain the same. In the mid-term or long term, it will make a difference. The USA then will become more like a normal state. Do not underestimate the political feelings in the USA. The continued influx of cheap labour force from central America alone, under Biden, is enough to remove the Democrats from power. Did you not hear about the recent attack on Capitol?

nomadski wrote:
The descriptions of " Conservative" and " left wing" in American political lingo, are misleading. They do not correspond to the usual understanding of these terms. The fight in US, is between the nationalists and the Liberals. It has just picked up pace. And intensifying.

For the world, in the near term, it makes little difference. The US foreign policy will remain the same. In the mid-term or long term, it will make a difference. The USA then will become more like a normal state. Do not underestimate the political feelings in the USA. The continued influx of cheap labour force from central America alone, under Biden, is enough to remove the Democrats from power. Did you not hear about the recent attack on Capitol?

I heard about it, but it will be memory holed faster than a Syrian SJW lunatic singling out Whites in his murderous frenzy

Oh, I forget to add. The shooter was BLACK and a (fake) Muslim on top of that.

As for removing the demon-crats, how are you going to do that when they can just create hundreds of thousands of votes in key swing states and nobody can get anything moving?

Are we saying that political action takes place without social memory? But these events will be remembered well into the future. As to the methods, all I can say is by hook or by crook......

What I am saying is that it's over.

It will be a steep, terminal decline from here on. Some areas will hold out longer than others, but I wouldn't put any of my eggs in the 'Trump might get reelected' or 'the pendulum will at some point start swinging back' basket

People who don't live in the States or who don't have extensive history/contacts there simply don't understand how deep the rot goes

Unsalvagable.

elconquistador wrote:What I am saying is that it's over.

It will be a steep, terminal decline from here on. Some areas will hold out longer than others, but I wouldn't put any of my eggs in the 'Trump might get reelected' or 'the pendulum will at some point start swinging back' basket

People who don't live in the States or who don't have extensive history/contacts there simply don't understand how deep the rot goes

Unsalvagable.

Oh yea, no question there.
It's over, America's decline has entered a new stage, and there is simply no coming back from this.
They had their chance, but they completely blew it.

Progressive Bolshevism is coming and it's going burn it all to the ground.

Russia and China can now see this clearly, and they are building up for the great power shift that is coming.

The only thing left is the Dollar's hold on global finance, but it looks like the money printer going to go full Sharknado with the now $4Trillion projects in the U.S.
With that we can expect that even the Dollar is on it's way out.

IMO, Russia should prepare it's bases near Alaska, and soon get that Bering Straight Railway made.

Not the first time that a nation has transformed and redefined itself, due to demographic change, popular support for a new religion, ideology, or whatever else

This is sometimes accompanied by a loss of territory, but it doesn't necessarily mean the country in question will undergo Rome's fate and be sacked by barbarians

I don't know what the end result of the SJW lunacy in America would be, but I think the more significant aspect of it would be America's transformation in response to an increasingly multi-polar world, which it doesn't seem capable of stopping. The American Empire may collapse like the Soviet one did, but equally, we can instead witness a sort of post-Vietnam situation where America's prestige is deeply wounded, there are repercussions for its over-extension and new political forces rise to dominate its politics, including ones that would call for some form of detente with rivals, and there are further domestic troubles - but nonetheless, sooner or later America would be back on the world stage in full force.

flamming_python wrote:Not the first time that a nation has transformed and redefined itself, due to demographic change, popular support for a new religion, ideology, or whatever else

This is sometimes accompanied by a loss of territory, but it doesn't necessarily mean the country in question will undergo Rome's fate and be sacked by barbarians

I don't know what the end result of the SJW lunacy in America would be, but I think the more significant aspect of it would be America's transformation in response to an increasingly multi-polar world, which it doesn't seem capable of stopping. The American Empire may collapse like the Soviet one did, but equally, we can instead witness a sort of post-Vietnam situation where America's prestige is deeply wounded, there are repercussions for its over-extension and new political forces rise to dominate its politics, including ones that would call for some form of detente with rivals, and there are further domestic troubles - but nonetheless, sooner or later America would be back on the world stage in full force.

A few problems with this, the Soviet unions fate was mostly sealed by the division within their military, and the Russian people actually marching and doing something and the Russian military dividing and fighting against the coup led by Yeltsin, who unlike Trump actually did fight.
But in America's case, the Coup against the Yeltsin/Gorby figure, in this case being Trump, was a total success, the military fell in line and the courts bend'd the knee, now the U.S is going full One party rule, led by the Progressive Bolshevistic ideology, which is even worst than the ideology of the hardliners against Yeltsin/Gorby.

The U.S right now is done, the only way it's gonna be able to keep itself together is by force, then it'll only be a matter of time before people decide that the Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend, and that's where thing get interesting.

I am not so optimistic about a possible return to greatness for the U.S, because the Right has proven itself to be beyond useless, i am not talking about the GOP, it's conservatives in general, they have disappointed me for the last time.

Anyway, this isn't gonna be the Fall of Rome nor the Fall of USSR, in fact i believe this is gonna be more like Mao's Cultural Revolution.

elconquistador wrote:What I am saying is that it's over.

It will be a steep, terminal decline from here on. Some areas will hold out longer than others, but I wouldn't put any of my eggs in the 'Trump might get reelected' or 'the pendulum will at some point start swinging back' basket

People who don't live in the States or who don't have extensive history/contacts there simply don't understand how deep the rot goes

Unsalvagable.

For the American Republic, it is over. Governmentally, it was over as of the passage of the National Security Act in 1947. Culturally, it was over with the 1960's cultural revolution with the success of the "sex, drugs, and rock and roll ethos". Demographically, it is soon to reach a tipping point of no return.

kvs wrote:

I was enjoying the rare moment of honest reflection from these people, then the stupid fucking whores started yabbering their BS about "Russian troops massing on Ukraines borders" or Russias "egrarious activities".....

The moral of this tale is eternal.  The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.  Murican conservatives are liars and snakes, every bit as feckless and dishonest, and no more trustworthy than the libtard hordes of the senile kiddy-sniffer.

So Russia's counter-moves to yanqui blustering are hard core. I like the potential for Russia to kick Visa and Mastercard
out of Russia. These two companies rake in well over 25 billion US dollars per year from the Russian market. That money
should go into the development of Russia's financial system.

BTW, Russia's total natural gas exports to the EU are:

150 x 10^6 tcm/year * $170/tcm = $25.5 billion

So these are not exactly small peanut money flows.