AWACS/Command post aircrafts of RuAF

The Il-20M and Il-86VKP - recent photos (March 2015)

New Il-76MD-90A bound for A-100 AWACS at Beriev Bureau is being prepared for its first flight

If I'm correct, this Il-476 is the second plane for conversion in A-100 AWACS.

Interesting!
Russian Defense Ministry to Modify MC-21 Passenger Aircraft Into AWACS

George1 wrote:Interesting!
Russian Defense Ministry to Modify MC-21 Passenger Aircraft Into AWACS

I like idea. PD14 engine good

Book. wrote:

George1 wrote:Interesting!
Russian Defense Ministry to Modify MC-21 Passenger Aircraft Into AWACS

I like idea. PD14 engine good

Would it not be better to use Tu-214 as replacement airframes for Il-38 and !-50? MS-21 then could be produced and sold in bigger numbers 2 civilian airlines generating more profits?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Would it not be better to use Tu-214 as replacement airframes for Il-38 and !-50? MS-21 then could be produced and sold in bigger numbers 2 civilian airlines generating more profits?

It was planned to use the Tu-204 as a basis for a MPA (to be called Tu-204P) to replace the IL-38/IL-38N... Unfortunately it has been cancelled due to funds shortage in the 2000's.

Would it not be better to use Tu-214 as replacement airframes for Il-38 and !-50? MS-21 then could be produced and sold in bigger numbers 2 civilian airlines generating more profits?

The MS-21 is a newer design that will be more modern... and having them in service with the Russian military will expand their appeal for both civilian and military customers. Such sure contracts means expanding production is safer economically.


Note the page on Sputnik that talked about an AWACS version of the MS-21 has retracted the claim...

CORRECTION: The original version of this article stated that Irkut planned to create a reconnaissance aircraft similar to the US AWACS, but the corporation later withdrew this statement as inaccurate.

Russian Military to Get 'Judgment Day' Command Center Aircraft This Month

Rostec announced that state testing of an aerial command post has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry.

MOSCOW, December 1 (Sputnik) – State testing of an aerial command post created on the basis of the Russian Ilyushin Il-80 Maxdome aircraft has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry by the end of the year, a subsidiary of Rostec announced Tuesday.

The only other country besides Russia that utilizes an aerial command post is the United States, which it calls the “Judgment Day plane,” and is used when it is impossible to set up a ground-based infrastructure to command troops or if the ground-based command center is destroyed.

“OPK has created for the Russian Defense Ministry an aerial second-generation strategic command post. The first onboard complex of technical equipment on the base of an Il-80 has successfully passed state tests and by the end of 2015 will be transferred to the client,” according to a press release.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151201/1031030818/russia-aerial-command-center.html#ixzz3t3ObkT5W

GarryB wrote:

Would it not be better to use Tu-214 as replacement airframes for Il-38 and !-50? MS-21 then could be produced and sold in bigger numbers 2 civilian airlines generating more profits?

The MS-21 is a newer design that will be more modern... and having them in service with the Russian military will expand their appeal for both civilian and military customers. Such sure contracts means expanding production is safer economically.

Not sure about it - Tu-214 is localized in 100% and production can start virtually immediately (in scale of aircraft building) and MS-21 needs to be build first, then certified then production start and commercial orders delivered... so next 10years or so still till new plane hit Navy.

George1 wrote:Russian Military to Get 'Judgment Day' Command Center Aircraft This Month

Rostec announced that state testing of an aerial command post has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry.

MOSCOW, December 1 (Sputnik) – State testing of an aerial command post created on the basis of the Russian Ilyushin Il-80 Maxdome aircraft has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry by the end of the year, a subsidiary of Rostec announced Tuesday.

The only other country besides Russia that utilizes an aerial command post is the United States, which it calls the “Judgment Day plane,” and is used when it is impossible to set up a ground-based infrastructure to command troops or if the ground-based command center is destroyed.

“OPK has created for the Russian Defense Ministry an aerial second-generation strategic command post. The first onboard complex of technical equipment on the base of an Il-80 has successfully passed state tests and by the end of 2015 will be transferred to the client,” according to a press release.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151201/1031030818/russia-aerial-command-center.html#ixzz3t3ObkT5W

I had read this news before and didn't understand it. Is there an upgrade program for the Il-86VKP? Wasn't it to be replaced by new versions based on the Tu-214, like PU/VPU?

Svyatoslavich wrote: I had read this news before and didn't understand it. Is there an upgrade program for the Il-86VKP? Wasn't it to be replaced by new versions based on the Tu-214, like PU/VPU?

Almost 3x longer range and almost 3x bigger payload?

This is the Il-80 "Judgment day".

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71013/

TheArmenian wrote:This is the Il-80 "Judgment day".

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71013/

Judgment day reminds Terminator II movie

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Svyatoslavich wrote: I had read this news before and didn't understand it. Is there an upgrade program for the Il-86VKP? Wasn't it to be replaced by new versions based on the Tu-214, like PU/VPU?

Almost 3x longer range and almost 3x bigger payload?

Electronics has become much lighter and more compact compared to 1980's technology, the time when the Il-86VKP was built. New electronics allowed to make room for a crew rest area in the A-50U, which didn't exit in the original A-50.
Also, I am sure the Il-86 doesn't have 3 times the range of a Tu-214. Old low-bypass engines, plus the two huge external APUs needed to power the electronics, make the Il-86VKP very fuel-inefficient. I am quite sure Tu-214, with much more efficient engines, has at least the same range, if not longer, despite being smaller.
Anyway, I find the Il-86VKP a very cool plane, way cooler than Tu-214PU. I am happy that it will be still around for a long time.

Svyatoslavich wrote:

George1 wrote:Russian Military to Get 'Judgment Day' Command Center Aircraft This Month

Rostec announced that state testing of an aerial command post has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry.

MOSCOW, December 1 (Sputnik) – State testing of an aerial command post created on the basis of the Russian Ilyushin Il-80 Maxdome aircraft has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry by the end of the year, a subsidiary of Rostec announced Tuesday.

The only other country besides Russia that utilizes an aerial command post is the United States, which it calls the “Judgment Day plane,” and is used when it is impossible to set up a ground-based infrastructure to command troops or if the ground-based command center is destroyed.

“OPK has created for the Russian Defense Ministry an aerial second-generation strategic command post. The first onboard complex of technical equipment on the base of an Il-80 has successfully passed state tests and by the end of 2015 will be transferred to the client,” according to a press release.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151201/1031030818/russia-aerial-command-center.html#ixzz3t3ObkT5W

I had read this news before and didn't understand it. Is there an upgrade program for the Il-86VKP? Wasn't it to be replaced by new versions based on the Tu-214, like PU/VPU?

Thing is that those airframes did not fly much, they are in fairly good condition and got plenty of life in them so overhaul and modernisation are logical.

And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.

Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.

There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
http://russianplanes.net/id168463
Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

Svyatoslavich wrote:

Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.

There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
http://russianplanes.net/id168463
Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

From what i am aware no IL86 is still in service with civilian liners they were mostly retired quite long ago. But they i suppose still exist in some depots as source of spares. But its not an issue to obtain parts for it since tooling exists, factory exists and documentation exists just thing is that price per piece will be very high.

Militarov wrote:

Svyatoslavich wrote:

Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.

There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
http://russianplanes.net/id168463
Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

From what i am aware no IL86 is still in service with civilian liners they were mostly retired quite long ago. But they i suppose still exist in some depots as source of spares. But its not an issue to obtain parts for it since tooling exists, factory exists and documentation exists just thing is that price per piece will be very high.

Here comes the 3D printer, good for many parts.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Svyatoslavich wrote:

Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.

There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
http://russianplanes.net/id168463
Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

From what i am aware no IL86 is still in service with civilian liners they were mostly retired quite long ago. But they i suppose still exist in some depots as source of spares. But its not an issue to obtain parts for it since tooling exists, factory exists and documentation exists just thing is that price per piece will be very high.

Here comes the 3D printer, good for many parts.

Agreed on that. 3D printer is very good for small serial production and prototypes where conventional means of tooling are way too expensive.

New generation aircraft "Doomsday" will appear in Russia in five - seven years

"Now we are completing the transfer of the Ministry of Defense of the aircraft of the second generation, but already working on the next," said the general director of the Joint instrument-making corporation, Alexander Yakunin.

MOSCOW, December 22. / TASS /. Next, the third generation of air command and control centers, also known as planes "Doomsday" will appear in Russia in five - seven years, said in an interview with Tass general director of the Joint instrument-Corporation (DIC, is a "Rostec"), Alexander Yakunin.

"Now we are completing the transfer of the Ministry of Defense of the aircraft of the second generation, but already working on the next, the third generation, which, according to our calculations, will in the next five - seven years," the spokesman said.

Such aircraft, Yakunin noted, are included in the overall system of command and control, but are designed for use in critical situations - when the fail ground control and communication lines. In addition, the air command posts can be applied in a rapidly changing operating environment.

"The third generation of equipment would be more modern, more sophisticated data links that will provide a new level of communication and operational management. These aircraft will close the new army ACS (automated control system - approx. TASS), the modernization which is currently under "- said the head of the defense industry.

Similar aerial command posts, according to Yakunin, is a "strategic" staff on the wings ", where you can manage all species and genera of troops, including the Strategic Missile Forces, Space Forces Air, surface and submarine fleet.

Airborne command post aircraft were called "doomsday" - doomsday planes - in the United States: it was assumed that they will be involved in the event of nuclear war, if the land management structure will be destroyed. The best-known models such specialized aircraft are the American E-4B aircraft based on the Boeing 747 and the Russian IL-80, based on passenger IL-86.

Russia operates 'Mainstay' AEW&Cs over Syria
Tim Ripley, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 10 January 2016

http://www.janes.com/article/57105/russia-operates-mainstay-aew-cs-over-syria

Russiahas begun operating Beriev A-50 'Mainstay' airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft over Syria in support of the air group it has deployed to the country.

The A-50s, which are modified Ilyushin Il-76 transports with large rotating radar above their rear fuselages, began operating over Syria in late December, a senior UK military source told IHS Jane's .

On 27 December, an aircraft flying in a profile consistent with an Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS)-type asset was also spotted on the Flightradar24.com website, which collates transponder data in real time. The track, which was not allocated a callsign by the open-source service, showed an aircraft flying back and forth across northwest Syria at in excess of 20,000 ft for more than four hours.

Ru A50 the duty

RuAF tests updated Il-86VKP doomsday plane

https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/695888533354123264