Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

JohninMK wrote:

George1 wrote:Nice this is the 4th Imp Kilo class. Now we wait the next 2 to make the transition to BSF

On what is effectively a one way trip. Once in the BS they are not allowed out unless it is for major work.

I am pretty sure they are, remember that Kilo sub that fired cruise missiles at targets in Syria?

Yes but before she entered Black Sea iirc.

JohninMK wrote:

George1 wrote:Nice this is the 4th Imp Kilo class. Now we wait the next 2 to make the transition to BSF

On what is effectively a one way trip. Once in the BS they are not allowed out unless it is for major work.

What are you talking about? Russian subs are free to leave the Black Sea whenever they want. Look at Alrosa for example.

Some people don't read the treaty properly...

there are limits on ships that can pass through, but most do not apply to navies of the country that have a coastline on the Black Sea...

A somewhat less boisterous media this time

Here's a vid

there are limits on ships that can pass through, but most do not apply to navies of the country that have a coastline on the Black Sea...

Subs is one section that explicitly includes BS powers

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention wrote:Article 12.
Black Sea Powers shall have the right to send through the Straits, for the purpose of rejoining their base, submarines constructed or purchased outside the Black Sea, provided that adequate notice of the laying down or purchase Of such submarines shall have been given to Turkey.
Submarines belonging to the said Powers shall also be entitled to pass through the Straits to be repaired in dockyards outside the Black Sea on condition that detailed information on the matter is given to Turkey.
In either case, the said submarines must travel by day and on the surface, and must pass through the Straits singly.

Only BS powers can transit Subs and only if they are built outside & going to home base or are leaving to get work done.
I believe Alrosa did the latter once but I think visiting Latakia for what minor work can be done there (which could obviously be easier done at Sevastopol/Novorossiysk) & launching Kalibrs on the way/way back would be extremely questionable unless there has been a clear precedent previously.

Couple of high quality pics of Krasnodar going through Channel:




This thing is begging for a set of UKSK lunchers. Hopefully in the next model...

Nice pics.

But they launch Kalibr via torp tubes...
Maybe if the next gen is quite a bit bigger but then they'd also be a lot more expensive -> fewer

hoom wrote:Nice pics.

But they launch Kalibr via torp tubes...
Maybe if the next gen is quite a bit bigger but then they'd also be a lot more expensive -> fewer

I was talking about successor to Kilos.

Kalina class is next one and I hope they squeeze a set of UKSK in the back. One extra segment should not be an issue. I saw model of proposed export version with vertical launchers.

There would also be space for additional batteries next to launchers. It's useful for electric subs to have all the extra juice they can get.

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:Nice pics.

But they launch Kalibr via torp tubes...
Maybe if the next gen is quite a bit bigger but then they'd also be a lot more expensive -> fewer

I was talking about successor to Kilos.

Kalina class is next one and I hope they squeeze a set of UKSK in the back. One extra segment should not be an issue. I saw model of proposed export version with vertical launchers.

There would also be space for additional batteries next to launchers. It's useful for electric subs to have all the extra juice they can get.

Considering the 32 missiles in the Yasen, i expect at least 16 missiles in the Kalina.

On its way to BSF Krasnodar launched 2 Kalibr at ISIS in Syria

Russia to lay down 2 diesel-electric submarines for Pacific Fleet in July

The submarines are capable of developing a surface speed of up to 20 knots and dive to a depth of 300 meters

ST. PETERSBURG, June 26. /TASS/. The first two Project 636.3 Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarines for Russia’s Pacific Fleet will be laid down in July and will be named the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and the Volkhov, Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Vladimir Korolyov said on Monday.

"In July, the Admiralty Wharfs Shipyard will start the construction of a series of Project 636.3 submarines for the Pacific Fleet. The first two such submarines will get the names of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Volkhov," the Navy chief said.

It was earlier reported that the submarines for the Pacific Fleet would be named as the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and the Mozhaisk.

The Project 636.3 (Varshavyanka-class) covers the third generation of diesel-electric submarines that are among the most noiseless underwater cruisers in the world.

They are capable of developing a surface speed of up to 20 knots and dive to a depth of 300 meters. They have a cruising capacity of 45 days and a crew of 52. The Project 636.3 submarine displaces about 4,000 tonnes in its underwater position. A total of six such submarines are planned to be built for the Pacific Fleet.

The first series of such Project 636.3 Varshavyanka-class submarines have already been delivered to the Russian Black Sea Fleet.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/953382

The first two submarines of Project 06363 for Pacific Fleet

July 28, 2017 at the JSC "Admiralty Shipyards" (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in St. Petersburg, the ceremony of laying two large diesel-electric submarines of project 06363 "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov" (factory numbers, respectively , 01614 and 01615) - the first boats of this project, intended for the Pacific Fleet of Russia. Yuri Borisov, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Rear Admiral Vladimir Tryapichnikov, Chief of the Shipbuilding Department of the Russian Navy, Alexander Drozdenko, Governor of the Leningrad Region, and Alexander Buzakov, General Director of Admiralteiskiye Verfi, took part in the solemn event.

The contract for the construction of a series of six submarines of project 06363 for the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Navy between the Ministry of Defense of Russia and Admiralty Shipyards was signed on September 7, 2016 as part of the International Military Technical Forum "Army-2016". Under the terms of the contract, the first ship will be handed over to the customer by November 25, 2019, the construction of the entire series is scheduled to be completed in 2022.

Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov at the ceremony said: "Admiralty shipyards are a stable supplier of weapons for the Navy. Over the past few years, the company built six submarines for the Black Sea Fleet in the shortest possible time, with the efforts of the shipyards we have strengthened this region, introducing stability and showing everyone that it is reliably protected. Now the plant workers are faced with the task of strengthening our eastern borders - the Pacific Fleet. And I am sure that the team will maintain a high standard, stable, rhythmic and high-quality build ships! ".







http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2757101.html

Any idea which sub has been seen off Syria in recent days?

http://charly015.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/buques-rusos-en-la-costa-de-tartus.html

I thought Krasnodar continued on to Sevastopol after launching Kalibrs, or is it still there?

I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

Navy day is celebrated at every Russian Naval base.
Tartus happens to be such a base.

There will be a parade involving 7 ships including:

The submarine KRASNODAR which never went to Sevastopol and is still lingering in the Med. sea
The frigate Admiral Essen
The frigate Pytlyvy
A minesweeper
etc.

hoom wrote:I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

I don't think that Whites descendants would care especially since modern Russia is definitely leaning lot more into White than Red approach.

But key factor are definitely UPA offspring, that war was relatively recently and those immigrants were some of most hardcore Nazis that ever existed and huge number of them was given a free pass in Canada.

Fact that (as usual during Operation Paperclip era) there were no investigations or penalties for what they did, only additionally motivated them to pretend that they were "freedom fighters"

The submarine KRASNODAR which never went to Sevastopol and is still lingering in the Med. sea

Thanks for clarification

hoom wrote:I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

Not only Ukraine but also Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Croatia, Hungary, etc all because they were anti-communist in danger of the new post war governments. Skip to present and 1,400,000 descendants plus later and...

So on topic: laying down 2 simultaneously is pretty good, did they do that with the BSF ones as well?

http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%B816/

Google translate wrote:The first two submarines will be delivered to the Pacific Fleet in 2019, in 2020 the shipbuilders will hand over the second pair of "Varshavianok". The delivery of the series is planned to be completed in 2021.

So start 2 each year, 2 years to build each pair.

Whats happening with the old Kilos? Presumably old ones are supposed to be retiring soonish, I know some have had recent refits, are they upgrades or just maintenance?

hoom wrote:So start 2 each year, 2 years to build each pair.

Whats happening with the old Kilos? Presumably old ones are supposed to be retiring soonish, I know some have had recent refits, are they upgrades or just maintenance?

2-3 got a refit so they'll keep those for a while (one of them Alrosa with pumpjet in the BS fleet).
There's still another 10 or so, I guess those will have to go.

That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please. Kalina has high chances of going Russian (i.e. delayed for a decade, at best).

To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

12 Improved Kilos
3 Ladas
= 15 new SSKs

So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...

Kimppis wrote:To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

12 Improved Kilos
3 Ladas
= 15 new SSKs

So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...  

Around 7

Granted do not count the first Lada that thing is never sent on combat duties it was just a prototype.

Russian are building two lada's right now and it's unknown if they will build anymore (doubtful really if they would they would not have made more Kilos)

The rest of the boats will be replaced by Kalina's no doubt