Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Kimppis wrote:To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

12 Improved Kilos
3 Ladas
= 15 new SSKs

So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...  

Around 7

Granted do not count the first Lada that thing is never sent on combat duties it was just a prototype.

Russian are building two lada's right now and it's unknown if they will build anymore (doubtful really if they would they would not have made more Kilos)

The rest of the boats will be replaced by Kalina's no doubt

7 of what? Got lost in numbers here...

Electric subs the Russians operate that are active but were built during the 80's etc.

About 7 old kilos still floating around in active service.

JohninMK wrote:Is the total number of these classes operational at any time limited by the number of crews that can be mustered?

kilos have around 50 crew members, The russians could activate all of them (including the reserve ones) the thing is why would they.

You always keep part of your fleet in down time and the other part in active then switch them out.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:About 7 old kilos still floating around in active service.

what?

That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please

Problem is if they get too many Kilos now they'll have insufficient room for Kalinas/very slow build rate.

hoom wrote:

That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please

Problem is if they get too many Kilos now they'll have insufficient room for Kalinas/very slow build rate.

Unless Russia plans to increase it's none nuclear sub fleet, a move I think they should do.

Making room won't be the problem. Second hand Varshavyankas will be in high demand in export market I assume. Specially in low budget but expanding navies like Bangladesh.

And I agree with SeigSoloyvov, they should expand non-nuke subs. To give the nuke subs more freedom for long range voyage from home base.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

hoom wrote:

That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please

Problem is if they get too many Kilos now they'll have insufficient room for Kalinas/very slow build rate.

Unless Russia plans to increase it's none nuclear sub fleet, a move I think they should do.

Room should not be a problem and they could use some expansion, definitely

They do have 12 fresh slots in Tartus, Syria that just became available.

Building 4 Kilos (give or take) for Tartus Naval Base would be prudent. No need to hassle Black Sea Fleet every weekend, they have their own stuff to do.

franco wrote:Apparently 6-8 Kilos will get an upgrade and life extension.

They will probably get AIP and some sensor/weaponry upgrades.

Future Kilo class sub Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky:



https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96502/

Krasnodar arrived in Sevastopol:


https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96642/

Apparently Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino left the Baltic on the way to BSF http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2790963.html

hoom wrote:Apparently Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino left the Baltic on the way to BSF http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2790963.html

And Dutch took a pic as well:


https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96868/

Nice image of the Auxiliary Pump Jet propulsers available in all Kilo project 636.3s....

Used for Ultra Silent running only.....




Notice the holes below the Propellers

~Big son of a bitch.
...What are these doors?
-Those doors, sir, are the problem.
I don't know what they are.
Neither do the British.
~Perhaps our friends in Murmansk
have come up with something new.



Seriously though, is that for real? Never heard of that.

hoom wrote:~Big son of a bitch.
...What are these doors?
-Those doors, sir, are the problem.
I don't know what they are.
Neither do the British.
~Perhaps our friends in Murmansk
have come up with something new.



Seriously though, is that for real? Never heard of that.

Exactly....

Something you don't find in western news sources but only Russian sources....  

Its the same with the American subs....  

You'll find more info about them in english than in Russian....

those vents are definitely for Auxiliary Pump Jets (For slow silent speeds) looking at its positioning...



Also that i think this upgrade is for the 636.3s And not the earlier 636s (Like the 636 or the 636.1)

But western analysts assume that the changes from the .1 to .3 isn't big so they might have overlooked it....

Names of Project 636.3 Submarines for Russian Pacific Fleet Revealed

The third, fourth, and fifth Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines for the Russian Pacific Fleet will be named Magadan, Ufa, and Mozhaisk, revealed Igor Ponomaryov, the United Shipbuilding Corporation vice-president for defense production.


"The fleet officials decided on the names Magadan, Ufa, and Mozhaisk. The sixth submarine’s name has not been chosen yet," he said.

The first two Project 636.3 submarines for the Pacific Fleet were laid down in July. They got the names of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Volkhov,

Project 636.3 submarines belong to the third-generation diesel-electric boats. They are believed to be among the word’s most silent subs. They can gather surface speed of up to 20 knots and dive to around 300 m. The submerged endurance is 45 days. The submarine has a crew of 52. Its submerged displacement is around 4,000 tonnes. It is planned to build six such submarines for the Pacific Navy by the year 2022.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5513-names-of-project-636-3-submarines-for-russian-pacific-fleet-revealed.html

Two Russian (Kilo) submarines on way to Black Sea enter Mediterranean


http://tass.com/defense/962260

regarding the deployment of new Kilos in the Black Sea / Novorossisk: do they belong to the 247th or 4th separate submarine Divison?
Thanks

Interesting that British media/RN don't seem to have made a big hoo-hah about it this time
Didn't like being laughed at for making a big deal about escorting intercepting! a sub transiting openly on the surface?

franco wrote:

rambo54 wrote:regarding the deployment of new Kilos in the Black Sea / Novorossisk: do they belong to the 247th or 4th separate submarine Divison?
Thanks

My understanding is the 4th separate Submarine Brigade in Novorossisk. The 247th detached Submarine Division was the old unit of 877's in Sevastopol.

Thanks old buddy!
But what is with Alrosa? Is it still part of the 4th stationed as a lonesome boat in Sevastopol? And what is with the single Foxtrot and Romeo mod over there - are they also part of 4th?
Thanks