Syrian Civil War: News #6

Considering Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy with unlimited powers and don't have to worry about election and casualty rates, I would say the Turkey Saudi invasion of Syria will not be headed by Turkey but by Saudi Arabia. Even if a million Saudis die in Syria, it matters not to the House of Saud since it is an absolute monarchy. This is not true of Russia. If a single Russian serviceman get killed in Syria for nothing, Putin will be elected out in 2018. This is why it is important for Russia to arm SAA, especially with more recent arms. SAA still mostly use AK-47 in this day and age. That's a joke. Every SAA trooper should be armed with an AK-74. Russia needs to ship 200,000 AK-74 rifles to SAA immediately to fight Saudi invasion which is expected to start in a few weeks time.

Militarov wrote:UK Defence Secretary Michael Fallon apparently said:

"Russia is deliberately targeting civilians in Syria and for that, it must pay a price"

This comes from the Evil Empire, let the empire decide about the price Russia must pay, Russia can pay the price sending some nukes to the Evil Empire.

I do fear this is all setting precedent for their ultimate goal. That is invasion of Russia by a multi national alliance. Can you imagine what Putin would do if NATO, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Australia invade Russia? Would Putin use nukes and start WW3? Or will Putin surrender the country?

ultron wrote:Considering Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy with unlimited powers and don't have to worry about election and casualty rates, I would say the Turkey Saudi invasion of Syria will not be headed by Turkey but by Saudi Arabia. Even if a million Saudis die in Syria, it matters not to the House of Saud since it is an absolute monarchy. This is not true of Russia. If a single Russian serviceman get killed in Syria for nothing, Putin will be elected out in 2018. This is why it is important for Russia to arm SAA, especially with more recent arms. SAA still mostly use AK-47 in this day and age. That's a joke. Every SAA trooper should be armed with an AK-74. Russia needs to ship 200,000 AK-74 rifles to SAA immediately to fight Saudi invasion which is expected to start in a few weeks time.

I told you this 2 months ago and ill say again:

Assault rifles do not win war, as long as their rifles work, they are well suited for their needs, and they probably have thousands of them in stocks and millions of M43/M67 7,62x39mm ammunition. Noone is going to replace whole army main armement to please your lack of understanding how war in field works. Also SAA does not have need for 200.000 assault rifles, not even when it was in its prime it did not have that many fielded.

ALSO FOR 12421312th time, AK47 DOES NOT EXIST, its AK, stop adding that 47 number randomly, it does not exist in military nomenclature. Its AK, AKM, AKMS etc etc and first variant with an actual number in it official army given name is AK74. Also you will very, very rarely see original AK(47) in SAA hands, its rare even in NDF these days. AKM, Type 56, Yugo M70 variants are all far more common.

ultron wrote:Even if a million Saudis die in Syria, it matters not to the House of Saud since it is an absolute monarchy. This is not true of Russia. If a single Russian serviceman get killed in Syria for nothing, Putin will be elected out in 2018.

There is a difference sure, but not in that sense. KSA is more prone to violent uprising and gov overthrow if hundreds of their NCOs and officers (proper Saudis) comes back in coffins, let alone more. The have among the most benefits/handouts-based society as one can imagine, nothing compared to Russia, UK or elsewhere. Their youngsters are over-consumerists and among the most well-pampered folks one can even know, anything that spoils that lifestyle will backfire on them, badly.

KiloGolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Even if a million Saudis die in Syria, it matters not to the House of Saud since it is an absolute monarchy. This is not true of Russia. If a single Russian serviceman get killed in Syria for nothing, Putin will be elected out in 2018.

There is a difference sure, but not in that sense. KSA is more prone to violent uprising and gov overthrow if hundreds of their NCOs and officers (proper Saudis) comes back in coffins, let alone more. The have among the most benefits/handouts-based society as one can imagine, nothing compared to Russia, UK or elsewhere. Their youngsters are over-consumerists and among the most well-pampered folks one can even know, anything that spoils that lifestyle will backfire on them, badly.

Its enough that 50 caskets come back with sons of native Saudis and you can expect shitstorm in heaven.

If Putin does not do Desert Storm against these invaders who violate international law and invade a sovereign state, then a multi national alliance will invade Russia. This multi national alliance is NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. They are calling Russia's bluff about using nukes to defend itself.

ultron wrote:I do fear this is all setting precedent for their ultimate goal. That is invasion of Russia by a multi national alliance. Can you imagine what Putin would do if NATO, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Australia invade Russia? Would Putin use nukes and start WW3? Or will Putin surrender the country?

How is this a matter of discussion/debate?
Chill, this a classic proxy war in the Middle East. We've seen much worse in the past (Lebanon, Iraq-Iran, etc.).

ultron wrote:If Putin does not do Desert Storm against these invaders who violate international law and invade a sovereign state, then a multi national alliance will invade Russia. This multi national alliance is NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. They are calling Russia's bluff about using nukes to defend itself.

Do not take seriously Erdogan & co barking and shouting with reality. So they used 4 155mm SPHs to shell an already destroyed/looted SyAAF heli base, killing no YPG and basically hitting existing rubble. Desert storm required invasion and occupation of an entire, sovereign country and the UN rightfully so sanctioned its liberation.

SAA Mosin Nagant. Old but gold. Syria war involves few people, so long distance shots are important.

ultron wrote:If Putin does not do Desert Storm against these invaders who violate international law and invade a sovereign state, then a multi national alliance will invade Russia. This multi national alliance is NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. They are calling Russia's bluff about using nukes to defend itself.

Bullcrap. Russia will not be invaded because these rich countries have too much to lose if Russia decided to use nukes.

They will try to cripple and destroy Russia in other ways (proxy wars, drug flow to Russia from Afghanistan, training terrorists to hit Russia, trying to turn Russian people against their government etc.), but they will not directly invade Russia as long as they think that Russia has a capability to nuke them in response.

But it is important how Russia responds to Turkish attack to Syria. If Turkey is allowed to get away with it without paying a price, Russia will have to pay the price later. In one way or another.

KiloGolf wrote:

ultron wrote:If Putin does not do Desert Storm against these invaders who violate international law and invade a sovereign state, then a multi national alliance will invade Russia. This multi national alliance is NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. They are calling Russia's bluff about using nukes to defend itself.

Do not take seriously Erdogan & co barking and shouting with reality. So they used 4 155mm SPHs to shell an already destroyed/looted SyAAF heli base, killing no YPG and basically hitting existing rubble. Desert storm required invasion and occupation of an entire, sovereign country and the UN rightfully so sanctioned its liberation.

Theres 1 youngster here who has about four names and plays world of tanks and thinks it's real. You just answered one of 'em.

KiloGolf wrote:

par far wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

par far wrote:This can only happen once the war is over, they cannot do something like this right now because it could take of a lot of resources.

Which is my point exactly. For now all new goodies (ones they've ordered) can wait safely in Russia.

This is the best thing to do right now, once this war is ending, than Russia can start training SAA personnel on the new equipment.

Also the arrival of the new kit will ensure the viability of the Syrian state in the medium-long term.
I am also sure the Russians upon their withdrawal will leave behind Hinds and Su 24 and 25s.

Russia will not be leaving Syria.

Lataka is their new foothold in the Mediterranean, something that soviets never had. It is the brave new world.

Karl Haushofer wrote:But it is important how Russia responds to Turkish attack to Syria. If Turkey is allowed to get away with it without paying a price, Russia will have to pay the price later. In one way or another.

They are paying a heavy price since before Russia deployed to Syria. It's the Kurdish insurgency in Turkey itself, the emergence of the KRG in Iraq (albeit ruled by a dictator - for now), Iran nuclear deal (end of serious sanctions) and Russia snatching Crimea and re-positioning itself as the dominant power in the Black Sea. All this "Turkey strοnk" posturing and empty words/threats are simply the Turkish establishment being defensive and trying to hide their vulnerabilities and defeats. Even the Azeri establishment/regime hates Erdogan.

PapaDragon wrote:Russia will not be leaving Syria.

Lataka is their new foothold in the Mediterranean, something that soviets never had. It is the brave new world.

If that happens to such an extent (I agree it is very likely), they ought to expand their Tartous presence with permanent Kilo, Nanushka and Buyan-M detachment. A Med flotilla based there is a must if they want to be taken seriously in the region. That would re-position Russia back to the Med, in a country whose population favors them greatly, but also will lead to Russian development of natural gas field in Syrian EEZ, maybe even Lebanon or Cyprus.

KiloGolf wrote:

ultron wrote:If Putin does not do Desert Storm against these invaders who violate international law and invade a sovereign state, then a multi national alliance will invade Russia. This multi national alliance is NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. They are calling Russia's bluff about using nukes to defend itself.

Do not take seriously Erdogan & co barking and shouting with reality. So they used 4 155mm SPHs to shell an already destroyed/looted SyAAF heli base, killing no YPG and basically hitting existing rubble. Desert storm required invasion and occupation of an entire, sovereign country and the UN rightfully so sanctioned its liberation.

yep looks more like a turkey provocation than anything. In the next days or weeks
it could change to many dozens or zero shelling. What is clear now is that Erdogan is very
cautious on their attacks on Syria. Means Erdogan have doubts of whether what he is doing is going to work.  When Hitler invaded Russia he did it in full scale .

In practice military terms. Turkey will be unable to stop Syrian army or Russian airforce operations with artillery alone,specially when is not attacking Syrian army or Russia. it will delay operations but will not be able to secure terrorist positions as long the Russian airforce can freely operate in Syria airspace and bomb them.
Also Syrian army can move to street fight ,not allowing Erdogan to effectively bomb
Syrian army without bombing their own terrorist. The Russian airforce in Syria is the only
thing holding Syria from any major invasion. and with the nuclear capabilities of Russia.
Is very unlikelly Turkey will send its best army to a suicide mission in Syria. My best guess is that people taken from jails ,refugees and criminals without much military training ,will be given an uniform of Saudi Army and a gun and sent to die in Syria. They are testing Russia and Syrian army capabilities to counter a mini organized invasion. the real danger for Russia will be chemical weapons. US chief of the CIA already is advertising ISIS new "capabilities" to create
chemical weapons.  

Also Erdogan will need a major false flag in turkey ,that will be blamed on kurds or ISIS or both ,before a real invasion. otherwise Erdogan risk unrest in turkey or losing support on its population. So my best guess based on the only 4 artillery units shelling from turkey.. and no major false flag yet in Turkey ,is that no major invasion will happen until at least 1 week if ever happens. because Erdogan is showing signs of doubts and being insecure about its planned operation.

Vann7 wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

ultron wrote:If Putin does not do Desert Storm against these invaders who violate international law and invade a sovereign state, then a multi national alliance will invade Russia. This multi national alliance is NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. They are calling Russia's bluff about using nukes to defend itself.

Do not take seriously Erdogan & co barking and shouting with reality. So they used 4 155mm SPHs to shell an already destroyed/looted SyAAF heli base, killing no YPG and basically hitting existing rubble. Desert storm required invasion and occupation of an entire, sovereign country and the UN rightfully so sanctioned its liberation.

yep looks more like a turkey provocation than anything. In the next days or weeks
it could change to many dozens or zero shelling. What is clear now is that Erdogan is very
cautious on their attacks on Syria. Means Erdogan have doubts of whether what he is doing is going to work.  When Hitler invaded Russia he did it in full scale .

In practice military terms. Turkey will be unable to stop Syrian army or Russian airforce operations with artillery alone,specially when is not attacking Syrian army or Russia. it will delay operations but will not be able to secure terrorist positions as long the Russian airforce can freely operate in Syria airspace and bomb them.
Also Syrian army can move to street fight ,not allowing Erdogan to effectively bomb
Syrian army without bombing their own terrorist. The Russian airforce in Syria is the only
thing holding Syria from any major invasion. and with the nuclear capabilities of Russia.
Is very unlikelly Turkey will send its best army to a suicide mission in Syria. My best guess is that people taken from jails ,refugees and criminals without much military training ,will be given an uniform of Saudi Army and a gun and sent to die in Syria. They are testing Russia and Syrian army capabilities to counter a mini organized invasion. the real danger for Russia will be chemical weapons. US chief of the CIA already is advertising ISIS new "capabilities" to create
chemical weapons.  

Also Erdogan will need a major false flag in turkey ,that will be blamed on kurds or ISIS or both ,before a real invasion. otherwise Erdogan risk unrest in turkey or losing support on its population. So my best guess based on the only 4 artillery units shelling from turkey.. and no major false flag yet in Turkey ,is that no major invasion will happen until at least 1 week if ever happens. because Erdogan is showing signs of doubts and being insecure about its planned operation.

The highlighted things are already happening.

Russia needs to ship 200,000 AK-74 guns to SAA immediately. AK-74 is far superior to AK-47 that SAA still uses. 880 m/s muzzle velocity versus 710 m/s muzzle velocity. 5.45 rounds are much deadlier and allow soldiers to carry a lot more. AK-74 will give decisive advantage to SAA over jihadists. Yes assault rifles are highly important and crucial to winning wars. Why? A lot of the fights are face to face over short distances.

Munich, Germany (CNN)Saudi Arabia's foreign minister says if the Syrian political process fails, President Bashar al-Assad will have to be removed "by force."

"I believe Bashar al-Assad is weak and I believe Bashar al-Assad is finished," Saudi Arabia's foreign minister Adel al-Jubeir told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview in Munich, Germany.

Saudi Arabia is prepared to contribute ground troops to the fight in Syria, but only as part of a U.S.-led coalition, he said.

"Bashar al-Assad will leave — have no doubt about it. He will either leave by a political process or he will be removed by force."

House of Saud says Assad is finished and they will invade Syria and there is nothing Russia can do about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aZYXqRweoc

ultron wrote:Russia needs to ship 200,000 AK-74 guns to SAA immediately. AK-74 is far superior to AK-47 that SAA still uses. 880 m/s muzzle velocity versus 710 m/s muzzle velocity. 5.45 rounds are much deadlier and allow soldiers to carry a lot more. AK-74 will give decisive advantage to SAA over jihadists. Yes assault rifles are highly important and crucial to winning wars. Why? A lot of the fights are face to face over short distances.

When did assault rifle become the decisive weapon of war? None of SAA's small arms is outdated enough to warrant immediate rearmament of the entire army.

First and foremost SAA needs modern AFVs, modern artillery and aircraft. Small arms can... wait.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia needs to ship 200,000 AK-74 guns to SAA immediately. AK-74 is far superior to AK-47 that SAA still uses. 880 m/s muzzle velocity versus 710 m/s muzzle velocity. 5.45 rounds are much deadlier and allow soldiers to carry a lot more. AK-74 will give decisive advantage to SAA over jihadists. Yes assault rifles are highly important and crucial to winning wars. Why? A lot of the fights are face to face over short distances.

When did assault rifle become the decisive weapon of war? None of SAA's small arms is outdated enough to warrant immediate rearmament of the entire army.

First and foremost SAA needs modern AFVs, modern artillery and aircraft. Small arms can... wait.

Germans deployed StG-44 at the Ardennes offensive and quickly overrun American positions. The only reason they lost is because Americans had proximity fuse. Assault rifles is one of the most important hardware in modern warfare, if not the most important. You cannot win unless you take ground. You cannot take ground unless you have the best guns.

Saudi warplanes arrived at Incirlik airbase. Air strikes to start within a couple of days.

https://twitter.com/TheAviationist/status/698576508521066496

ultron wrote:House of Saud says Assad is finished and they will invade Syria and there is nothing Russia can do about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aZYXqRweoc

The #SaudiMight's are getting their sphincters 'cornholed' by a rag--time group of #KitKhatSnackbar insurgents rocking Jesus sandals, and here we have people peddling fear-porn about the Saudi's ignoring the VKS's IAD with comments such as ..."nothing Russia can do about that" FFS...

magnumcromagnon wrote:

ultron wrote:House of Saud says Assad is finished and they will invade Syria and there is nothing Russia can do about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aZYXqRweoc

The #SaudiMight's are getting their sphincters 'cornholed' by a rag--time group of #KitKhatSnackbar insurgents rocking Jesus sandals, and here we have people peddling fear-porn about the Saudi's ignoring the VKS's IAD with comments such as ..."nothing Russia can do about that" FFS...

Houthis are insurgents and it is difficult to fight them since they hide among civilians. SAA is out in the open and all their infrastructure are out in the open. Syria would be vulnerable to Saudi bombing campaign.