Syrian Civil War: News #6

Militarov wrote:

Turkish army positions on the map

Then hundreds of Syrian missiles have sam coordinates. jut wonder if Russia delivered some Tochkas or only Iran did.

BTW Putin cannot resign yet in 2018 elections to hot period. It is not about his desire to be on power but Russians need a symbol to unite and times are coming hard. Dyumin is yet to be popular to win.

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 49 minutes ago
Turkish warplanes struck Kurdish positions in #Syria for first time, drones being used to find targets for artillery

Turkey is doing everything it can to incite a Russian/Syrian response. Shows how desperate they are to save their and their masters terrorists fighting inside Syria.

Seems like the Turks might have targeted the Kurdish position from within the Turkish airspace. But it wont be long before the Turkey cross into Syrian airspace and give the Russians/Syrians an opportunity to roast some Turkeys.


Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 58 minutes ago
#SAA with #RuAF CAS have advanced towards Kinsiba after reportedly taking control of Jabal Al-Roos in Latakia countryside

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Then hundreds of Syrian missiles have sam coordinates. jut wonder if Russia delivered some Tochkas or only Iran did.

BTW Putin cannot resign yet in 2018 elections to hot period. It is not about his desire to be on power but Russians need a symbol to unite and times are coming hard. Dyumin is yet to be popular to win.

Few more things that need to be delivered in good numbers are the Iskander missiles (fu$k the Isrealis) and a good load of Bal-M launchers. Kh-35/U are comparatively cheaper missiles with a heavy 145Kg warhead and upto 260Km range. These should be unleashed against targets inside Turkey when things get really hot and unavoidable. Hope Russia is supplying it and Russia/Syria stocking up these in good numbers in Syria.

I feel there need to be a halt in the twitter feed on the SAA movements as most of the reporters advancing with the SAA and allies may unknowingly be giving out whats not required? Just a feeling...

For instance, we would not have been knowing about the SAA advance to Raqqa if not for the twitter updates....it was a complete surprise (except maybe for the intelligence guys) when SAA changed tracks...likewise, they are now at a crossroad...where they can either advance to Raqqa or this advance could even be a cover up to take the other way and advance to Deir-Ez-Zor to open up another front against the ISIS to break the siege. The shortest route through Palmyra is a tough path and bypassing it without entirely taking Palmyra is a risky option as the entire columns will be under the watch of the terrorists sitting higher up in the mountains.

Dima wrote:I feel there need to be a halt in the twitter feed on the SAA movements as most of the reporters advancing with the SAA and allies may unknowingly be giving out whats not required? Just a feeling...

For instance, we would not have been knowing about the SAA advance to Raqqa if not for the twitter updates....it was a complete surprise (except maybe for the intelligence guys) when SAA changed tracks...likewise, they are now at a crossroad...where they can either advance to Raqqa or this advance could even be a cover up to take the other way and advance to Deir-Ez-Zor to open up another front against the ISIS to break the siege. The shortest route through Palmyra is a tough path and bypassing it without entirely taking Palmyra is a risky option as the entire columns will be under the watch of the terrorists sitting higher up in the mountains.

Twitter is for twits, I have never had a Twitter account and I am proud of it. I agree with your concerns.

Aldin or anyone??

What is the situation with the Deir-Ez-Zor airport?
How much more of a perimeter will be required to make the airport safe for IL-76/An-124 to land with supplies??

It is required to make the airport conducive for transport operations as early as possible so as to bring in troops and military hardware to form offensive units to breakout into the ISIS areas. There is not enough manpower or firepower currently for taking offensive operations and hence men and materials need to be brought in.
The terrorists sponsors/masters prized assets are Deir-Ez-Zor and Raqqa due to the oil fields and a route to Turkey from Saudi/Qatar and they will in likelihood try to keep it as long as possible and under their control with the intend of making it a frozen zone.

map for reference on the current SAA advance



An option to change the initiative from the current defensive position to offensive is for paratroops (atleast 2k-3k) to be inserted to Deir-Ez-Zor to make up small offensive units to create and enlarge the safe corridor around the airport so as to facilitate IL-76/An-124 to bring in heavy metals which is currently not possible through land routes due to Palmyra front.

Once an adequate offensive force with heavy metal has been formed, they can go on the offensive and start clearing the area further and cross the Euphrates.


Another option is to advance from the north towards Deir-Ez-Zor. Btw, the area marked need to be captured which is a good natural gateway to other side from where the forces can also move up north towards Raqqa and down south along Deir-Ez=Zor and clean the other side of the Euphrates.

VladimirSahin wrote:Turks will just shell as always, They don't have the balls to invade from the ground without America's OK. And either way, Turkeys army on the South East would be decimated from missile strikes, A guy who recently served in the Turkish army (He doesn't approve of Erdogan) said that the armies logistics are horrible 20-25% readiness. This is proven by the fact that 6 tanks broke down on a ground OP to secure a tomb.... Turkey may have a brainwashed willing population, But their army is in no way on par with even the 40% readiness rate NATO has. The Turks are playing politics, Uniting with their "Muslim sunni brothers" Saudi arabia and I think Qatar. Russia will just arm and train the Houthis even more, And increase presence.

If the Turks do decide they want to play Ottoman warrior, They will face YPG, SAA, Hezbollah, The Russian armed forces, So on and so on. They stand no chance even with Saudi Arabia. The most I can see them going is the outside provinces of Latakia, Where they will be cut down to pieces by Russian aviation. If they decide to go from the North east of Syria, They might get a little farther down before being destroyed. It is so horrible that the Turks are acting like this. They're also very proud about their situation as well....

Most of the Turkish Army is in decay and basically not far from its Cold war Level in hardware. People mistake a couple of Altay's for the whole of their massive land army. Turkey militarily is really the Sick Man of the Bosphorus. The best shot they have is putting up and interdiction fight with their Air assets. Otherwise they're well mapped from the Russian perspective. If Turkey goes there without US blessing, we'll be witnessing Belgrade Air Campaign over the Bosphorus.

I wonder why the SAA won't free up those SAA formations within Kurdish controlled territory, near Qamishli and Hasakah? Perhaps I'm missing something but what's stopping the SAA from getting those guys to reinforce them near crucical positions like Aleppo or the advance in North Latakia?

Turkish aggression seems to have worked as it stopped both the Kurdish advance at the strategic city of Aza and Tel Rifaat and it also stopped the Syrian advance in the city of Kinsibba in Latakia province. Turkish artillery shelling at the Syrian positions enabled the jihadist groups recapturing two villages previously captured by the Syrian army.

One source claims that an entire company of Syrian soldiers were killed by the Turkish artillery shells in Latakia province.

Turkish intervention (well, aggression) proved to be successful and now Syria, Iran and Russia have a problem. Turkey can seriously harm the Syrian army (and the Kurds) by shelling them from their own territory in the northern parts of Syria. Turkey does not have to use their own aviation and go into Syrian air space to reach at least some of it’s goals in Syria.

In order for Syria, Iran and Russia to take out the Turkish threat they would need to take out the Turkish artillery positioned in Turkish soil. That would be seen as a serious escalation by Turkey and the West and would give them a reason for further interventions in Syria (and maybe even attack the Russian base in Latakia which is within the reach of Turkish artillery).

This is a very complicated and difficult position for Russia, since Russia cannot afford a full scale war with Turkey and on the other hand Russia cannot afford Turkey to cause more serious casualties for the Syrian military.

And for Russia, as I said, the big threat is that their base in Latakia is within the reach of the Turkish artillery. Therefore Russia cannot just bomb the Turkish artillery positions because it would likely result a Turkish response against the Russian base in Latakia.

I doubt Turkey has a motive for a war against Russia either. They are testing the waters how far they can go without Russian response. Their end game is to force Russia into some kind of a concession and most importantly stop the Syrian advance at Aleppo (which Turkey sees as it’s own city since it used to belong to Ottomans).

Aleppo will likely be divided between the Jihadis and the Syrian government, as Turkey will not allow the full siege and capture of the city (it will just continue to shell the Syrian positions and inflict as much casualties for the Syrians as needed for them to back down).

What I think will happen is some kind of a compromise. Syria will not be pleased, but Turkey’s threat is too big for Russia to risk a full scale war with them. Iran is the wild card though. Russia will not counter Turkey (Russia allowed Turkey to shoot down it’s jet earlier without direct response so Russian direct response is out of the question this time as well), but Iran might have other ideas.

Neutrality wrote:I wonder why the SAA won't free up those SAA formations within Kurdish controlled territory, near Qamishli and Hasakah? Perhaps I'm missing something but what's stopping the SAA from getting those guys to reinforce them near crucical positions like Aleppo or the advance in North Latakia?

They are only SAA support units. The fighting units in those two areas are local militias NDF.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Turkish aggression seems to have worked as it stopped both the Kurdish advance at the strategic city of Aza and Tel Rifaat and it also stopped the Syrian advance in the city of Kinsibba in Latakia province. Turkish artillery shelling at the Syrian positions enabled the jihadist groups recapturing two villages previously captured by the Syrian army.

One source claims that an entire company of Syrian soldiers were killed by the Turkish artillery shells in Latakia province.

Turkish intervention (well, aggression) proved to be successful and now Syria, Iran and Russia have a problem. Turkey can seriously harm the Syrian army (and the Kurds) by shelling them from their own territory in the northern parts of Syria. Turkey does not have to use their own aviation and go into Syrian air space to reach at least some of it’s goals in Syria.

In order for Syria, Iran and Russia to take out the Turkish threat they would need to take out the Turkish artillery positioned in Turkish soil. That would be seen as a serious escalation by Turkey and the West and would give them a reason for further interventions in Syria (and maybe even attack the Russian base in Latakia which is within the reach of Turkish artillery).

This is a very complicated and difficult position for Russia, since Russia cannot afford a full scale war with Turkey and on the other hand Russia cannot afford Turkey to cause more serious casualties for the Syrian military.

I have yet to see any confirmation regarding that entire Syrian company getting killed. You have anything solid to back that up? IF it's true then the logical thing to do is to organize some counter-battery fire. Russia would be glad to pass them coordinates on Turkish artillery positions.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Turkish aggression seems to have worked as it stopped both the Kurdish advance at the strategic city of Aza and Tel Rifaat and it also stopped the Syrian advance in the city of Kinsibba in Latakia province. Turkish artillery shelling at the Syrian positions enabled the jihadist groups recapturing two villages previously captured by the Syrian army.

One source claims that an entire company of Syrian soldiers were killed by the Turkish artillery shells in Latakia province.

Turkish intervention (well, aggression) proved to be successful and now Syria, Iran and Russia have a problem. Turkey can seriously harm the Syrian army (and the Kurds) by shelling them from their own territory in the northern parts of Syria. Turkey does not have to use their own aviation and go into Syrian air space to reach at least some of it’s goals in Syria.

In order for Syria, Iran and Russia to take out the Turkish threat they would need to take out the Turkish artillery positioned in Turkish soil. That would be seen as a serious escalation by Turkey and the West and would give them a reason for further interventions in Syria (and maybe even attack the Russian base in Latakia which is within the reach of Turkish artillery).

This is a very complicated and difficult position for Russia, since Russia cannot afford a full scale war with Turkey and on the other hand Russia cannot afford Turkey to cause more serious casualties for the Syrian military.

A major cause of the offense slow downs are that the front lines were heavily reinforced with rebels from Idlib. This works to the advantage of the SAA in that they now have these guys grouped together and in the open. It then becomes a war of attrition which the SAA having control of 70% of the population will win. Slow but steady wins the race here. People don't realize how extended this conflict is through the countryside. I like the map from the Wikipedia Syrian Civil War which some people are making a serious effort to keep updated. Shows the different areas in which fighting is on going or towns/villages that are under pressure/siege. The SAA say they have 15 battle fronts going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Syrian_Civil_War_detailed_map

Neutrality wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Turkish aggression seems to have worked as it stopped both the Kurdish advance at the strategic city of Aza and Tel Rifaat and it also stopped the Syrian advance in the city of Kinsibba in Latakia province. Turkish artillery shelling at the Syrian positions enabled the jihadist groups recapturing two villages previously captured by the Syrian army.

One source claims that an entire company of Syrian soldiers were killed by the Turkish artillery shells in Latakia province.

Turkish intervention (well, aggression) proved to be successful and now Syria, Iran and Russia have a problem. Turkey can seriously harm the Syrian army (and the Kurds) by shelling them from their own territory in the northern parts of Syria. Turkey does not have to use their own aviation and go into Syrian air space to reach at least some of it’s goals in Syria.

In order for Syria, Iran and Russia to take out the Turkish threat they would need to take out the Turkish artillery positioned in Turkish soil. That would be seen as a serious escalation by Turkey and the West and would give them a reason for further interventions in Syria (and maybe even attack the Russian base in Latakia which is within the reach of Turkish artillery).

This is a very complicated and difficult position for Russia, since Russia cannot afford a full scale war with Turkey and on the other hand Russia cannot afford Turkey to cause more serious casualties for the Syrian military.

I have yet to see any confirmation regarding that entire Syrian company getting killed. You have anything solid to back that up? IF it's true then the logical thing to do is to organize some counter-battery fire. Russia would be glad to pass them coordinates on Turkish artillery positions.

I have heard only rumors. One from this board and another from another board (from a pretty well informed poster). But let's wait for more info.

It is pretty clear that Saudis and Turkey will not back down and intend to stop the Syrian army from winning the war. Saudi minister declared this yesterday.

For Russia the situation is dangerous because Russia does not have enough military assets in Syria to stop both Turkey and Saudi Arabia, and the Syrian base in Latakia is vulnerable because it is within the reach of Turkish artillery.

If Russia decided to counter the Saudi-Turk alliance it would need to secure it’s military base in Latakia with nuclear deterrence and basically tell the Turks and Saudis that an attack against Russian base would result an immediate nuclear response from Russia. But would the Saudis and Turks buy this? They already know that Russia did not respond militarily against Turkey when Turkey shot down a Russian jet. I wrote back then that this inaction could come back and haunt Russia since it emboldened Russia’s enemies/adversaries.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

I have heard only rumors. One from this board and another from another board (from a pretty well informed poster). But let's wait for more info.

He has removed that comment sicen then. I also saw that. This is why it's important to confirm from official channels, Twitter at a minimum if it comes from a respected conflict reporter like Sidorenko for example. "Well informed poster" on forums doesn't mean much.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
That is a big caveat and all of you are just feeding the local trolls.

Thanks for dumbing down the forum. Where the fuck are the mods?

+1

+1

Syria notified the UN of Turkish aggression and shelling of its territory. The UN as usual is nothing but a paper tiger. Syrian artillery shelled Turkish positions in retaliation. Time to use M-600 ballistic missiles range 300 km to destroy Turkish dams.

ultron wrote:Syria notified the UN of Turkey aggression and shelling of its territory. The UN as usual is nothing but a paper tiger. Time to use M-600 ballistic missiles range 300 km to destroy Turkey's dams.

Do me a favor (and everyone else too). Stop posting random things that appear in your mind. It's beyond annoying and adds nothing to the thread's value. Nuclear warheads, Topol-Ms, ballistic missiles? For the love of everything that's holy just read what you write and consider what someone else might think of that.

The war in Syria is about fighting Turkey and Saudi Arabia, sponsors of terrorism. This has been what the war in Syria is all about since 2011. You think Qaeda can take over an entire country without backing? Not a chance. Syria had been at war with Turkey and Saudi Arabia for years.

ultron wrote:The war in Syria is about fighting Turkey and Saudi Arabia, sponsors of terrorism. This has been what the war in Syria is all about since 2011. You think Qaeda can take over an entire country without backing? Not a chance. Syria had been at war with Turkey and Saudi Arabia for years.

Quoting myself, perhaps you missed it:

Neutrality wrote:Do me a favor (and everyone else too). Stop posting random things that appear in your mind. It's beyond annoying and adds nothing to the thread's value. Nuclear warheads, Topol-Ms, ballistic missiles? For the love of everything that's holy just read what you write and consider what someone else might think of that.

Two interesting updates:


Syrian Kurds rejected the ultimatum of Turkey

http://ria.ru/syria/20160214/1374373989.html

MOSCOW, 14 Feb — RIA Novosti. The leadership of the Kurdish PYD (party of the Syrian Kurds "Democratic Union") on Sunday rejected the request of Turkey to the Union of her militia left their frontier positions in Syria, which have recently been subjected to artillery fire from the Turkish military, said the Agency Reuters , the leader of the PYD party Salih Muslim Muhammad.

According to him, Turkey has no right to interfere in the internal Affairs of Syria. "If that happens, the whole Syrian people will stand against them (the Turks)," said Salih Muhammad. He noted that airbase that on Saturday fired at Turkish military, is under the control of the military wing of the PYD, it was previously occupied by the militants of the terrorist group "Frente al-Nusra".
"They (the Turks) want the Front EN-Nusra remained there, or to the position occupied power?" - rhetorically asked the leader of the PYD in an interview with a journalist of the Agency.
Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu on Saturday demanded the PYD to abandon their positions North of Aleppo. Answering the question whether the PYD to reject the request of Turkey, Salih Muslim Muhammad said, "of course."


Earlier, representatives of the Kurdish self-defense forces (KCC) confirmed that the artillery of the Turkish armed forces opened fire on a military airfield Minneh in the North Syrian province of Aleppo.
Officially Ankara considers the PYD a terrorist organization, the Agency said.
Units of Kurdish militias are fighting in Syria against the Islamists and militants "Free Syrian army" trying to establish control over Kurdish areas of Syria.

and now some fun barking:

Hammond believes that Putin is the only man who can stop the war in Syria

LONDON, 14 February. /Corr. TASS Ilya Dmitriev/. The only person who can stop the war in Syria - Russia's President Vladimir Putin. This confidence was expressed in interview to TV channel bi-Bi-si the Minister of foreign Affairs of great Britain Philip Hammond.
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"There's only one person on the planet who can stop civil war in Syria, making a phone call, and it is Putin," said Hammond, noting that he already said it a year ago and since then nothing has changed.
According to Hammond, "the situation with (the President of Syria Bashar) Assad is exactly the same, which was a year ago: Assad will leave or stay will depend on whether the Russians to use their influence to remove him".

Подробнее на ТАСС:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2666561


and dear kids that´s how bulldogs´ barking is making true democracy in Syria, with saudi democratic-flavour.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

+1

Well this +1 was for lovely British accent, right?

The takfiris have received at least one grad launcher and a load of rockets. The rockets were delivered in an anonymous white truck. The truck presumably came over the back roads from the takfiri suppliers in Turkey. The launcher and rockets look to be in very good condition - as new? Is it possible to identify the country of origin from the markings on the wooden crates used to transport the rockets?

short_fuze wrote:The takfiris have received at least one grad launcher and a load of rockets. The rockets were delivered in an anonymous white truck. The truck presumably came over the back roads from the takfiri suppliers in Turkey. The launcher and rockets look to be in very good condition - as new? Is it possible to identify the country of origin from the markings on the wooden crates used to transport the rockets?

To small resolution to read for me but guess no 1: U-crying guess 2 Bulgaria/Poland or remaining pro US-puppet EE regimes

Neutrality wrote:
Quoting myself, perhaps you missed it:

Neutrality wrote:Do me a favor (and everyone else too). Stop posting random things that appear in your mind. It's beyond annoying and adds nothing to the thread's value. Nuclear warheads, Topol-Ms, ballistic missiles? For the love of everything that's holy just read what you write and consider what someone else might think of that.

+1 too much of a drama queen. Real story is between Putin&Obama some birt/saud/turk bulldogs barking but they won´t do much w/o permission granted from master.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
and now some fun barking:

Hammond believes that Putin is the only man who can stop the war in Syria

LONDON, 14 February. /Corr. TASS Ilya Dmitriev/. The only person who can stop the war in Syria - Russia's President Vladimir Putin. This confidence was expressed in interview to TV channel bi-Bi-si the Minister of foreign Affairs of great Britain Philip Hammond.
SEE ALSO

"There's only one person on the planet who can stop civil war in Syria, making a phone call, and it is Putin," said Hammond, noting that he already said it a year ago and since then nothing has changed.
According to Hammond, "the situation with (the President of Syria Bashar) Assad is exactly the same, which was a year ago: Assad will leave or stay will depend on whether the Russians to use their influence to remove him".

Подробнее на ТАСС:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2666561


and dear kids that´s how bulldogs´ barking is making true democracy in Syria, with saudi democratic-flavour.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

+1

Well this +1 was for lovely British accent, right?  

Some background on Hammond:

"In 2009 it emerged that Hammond [as Member of Parliament] had claimed just £8 short of the maximum allowance for a second home in London from 2007 to 2008 even though he lived in the commuter belt town of Woking. As a result of this criticism Hammond says he would pay back any profit on the future sale of his second home to the public purse."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hammond

As they say in England, ethics is a place east of London. ['Ethics' sounds similar to 'Essex']