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^^ i think the purpose is mostly to gather data on how to continuously improve these exoskeleton suits with the end purpose of designing a real life iron man suit some time in the future. Introduction of these exoskeletons is an important step in that direction
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PhSt wrote:^^ i think the purpose is mostly to gather data on how to continuously improve these exoskeleton suits with the end purpose of designing a real life iron man suit some time in the future. Introduction of these exoskeletons is an important step in that direction
Real life iron man would die from one shot of PKM/SVD/Ash-12, close mortar landing, ags and etc. It's dead end. Drone swarms, robotic mechanised forces are the future.
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It has it's uses for certain roles...I don't think every infantry man will be equipped with a exoskeleton any time soon
Here's a pic from Syria...
Here's a pic from Syria...
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Cyberspec wrote:It has it's uses for certain roles...I don't think every infantry man will be equipped with a exoskeleton any time soon
Here's a pic from Syria...
https://sun6-13.userapi.com/c858432/v858432032/11d40/2BBcBVzyNXQ.jpg
And this is all you need to know about these passive exoskeletons, they are just there as cheap and simple method to keep soldiers from feeling like pack mules when not absolutely necessary
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PapaDragon wrote:Cyberspec wrote:It has it's uses for certain roles...I don't think every infantry man will be equipped with a exoskeleton any time soon
Here's a pic from Syria...
https://sun6-13.userapi.com/c858432/v858432032/11d40/2BBcBVzyNXQ.jpg
And this is all you need to know about these passive exoskeletons, they are just there as cheap and simple method to keep soldiers from feeling like pack mules when not absolutely necessary
Surely it will be same with active exoskeletons? If I would happen to stumble into firefight wearing this I would hope I could quickly take this Forest Gump device off asap. I hope it has quick-release like new russian Kirasas and other body armours have
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One more fresh exoskeleton pic...the soldier at the end definately is wearing one and maybe some others as well but can't tell for sure
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Looks like the guy is wearing one of these:
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Hmm I seem to remember a beltfeed mechanism that be fitted into an RPK-74s magwell perhaps reviving that old project but with a backpack full of ammo and issuing it to every infantryman
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Have not seen that, though there was a belt fed 5.45mm LMG developed but AFAIK it never got passed development... LMG fire support from the RPK-74 was pretty good anyway and the entire unit had full auto capable rifles so firing rate (or lack of) wasn't really an issue.
They finally decided on the PKP version of the PK as the heavier round has much better range and effect on target even if it is a bit on the heavy side...
Having a fixed barrel means you don't increase the weight by having to carry spare barrels...
They finally decided on the PKP version of the PK as the heavier round has much better range and effect on target even if it is a bit on the heavy side...
Having a fixed barrel means you don't increase the weight by having to carry spare barrels...
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Yet another application for the perspective exoskeleton, in this case a potential application of active exoskeleton designs. At the :43 sec mark an exoskeleton can aid in the mobility of (presumably injured) soldiers, by altering/moving their center of gravity:
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Could be adapted to help the elderly or those with motor problems of their own, so it is useful technology to explore and work with...
I mean I think the very concept that eventually an average person could dual wield PKPs with backpack belt feeds is a goal for anyone to aim for.
On a more serious note I am surprised no one has bothered to develop a grenade launcher with a built in firearm...
Perhaps a combination of a drum fed 30mm grenade launcher and a Bizon SMG in 9x21mm calibre?
A 20 round grenade drum might be a bit big and heavy I suppose and together with a 40-50 round spiral tube of 9x21mm rounds would be a rather bulky weapon, but clever design could improve it to a point where you could have something worth while...
Maybe replace the Bizon with a Kashtan in 9x21mm perhaps...
I mean I think the very concept that eventually an average person could dual wield PKPs with backpack belt feeds is a goal for anyone to aim for.
On a more serious note I am surprised no one has bothered to develop a grenade launcher with a built in firearm...
Perhaps a combination of a drum fed 30mm grenade launcher and a Bizon SMG in 9x21mm calibre?
A 20 round grenade drum might be a bit big and heavy I suppose and together with a 40-50 round spiral tube of 9x21mm rounds would be a rather bulky weapon, but clever design could improve it to a point where you could have something worth while...
Maybe replace the Bizon with a Kashtan in 9x21mm perhaps...
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Troops in Volga area get latest Ratnik ‘soldier of the future’ combat outfits
The system allows a soldier to get continuously updated on the situation in the combat area
MOSCOW, August 12. /TASS/. The latest Ratnik combat outfits have arrived for the troops of Russia’s Central Military District stationed in the Samara and Orenburg Regions, the District’s press office reported on Monday.
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Foreign personnel test Russia’s Ratnik combat outfit at International Army Games
"About 2,000 personnel of the Central Military District stationed in the Samara and Orenburg Regions have received the Ratnik combat gear, which is unofficially called ‘the soldier of the future outfit.’ This has helped boost the capabilities of military units in accomplishing assigned missions," the press office issued a statement.
https://tass.com/defense/1073084
The system allows a soldier to get continuously updated on the situation in the combat area
MOSCOW, August 12. /TASS/. The latest Ratnik combat outfits have arrived for the troops of Russia’s Central Military District stationed in the Samara and Orenburg Regions, the District’s press office reported on Monday.
Read also
Foreign personnel test Russia’s Ratnik combat outfit at International Army Games
"About 2,000 personnel of the Central Military District stationed in the Samara and Orenburg Regions have received the Ratnik combat gear, which is unofficially called ‘the soldier of the future outfit.’ This has helped boost the capabilities of military units in accomplishing assigned missions," the press office issued a statement.
https://tass.com/defense/1073084
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So this would be Ratnik 2 they are getting, which is rather impressive... the whining ten years ago about how no two Russian soldiers seem to be wearing the same camo pattern seem to have been eliminated.
Often soldiers didn't even have pants that matched their jackets... of course not that this was the end of the world... at least they were wearing camouflage gear...
The next gen Ratnik looks interesting and is supposed to be ready in 2025 or something, with active displays in the visors and upgrades in all areas... by treating gear as a complete system items that previously just kept being used have been upgraded, or combined with other kit to greatly improve communications and protection and performance...
Often soldiers didn't even have pants that matched their jackets... of course not that this was the end of the world... at least they were wearing camouflage gear...
The next gen Ratnik looks interesting and is supposed to be ready in 2025 or something, with active displays in the visors and upgrades in all areas... by treating gear as a complete system items that previously just kept being used have been upgraded, or combined with other kit to greatly improve communications and protection and performance...
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Outfit "Warrior" doubled the combat capabilities of the infantryman
Combat equipment "Warrior" doubled the capabilities of the infantryman. The accuracy of shooting increased 1.6 times, the range of target detection at night and in conditions of limited visibility - one and a half times.
This was told by the Army Commander-in-Chief, Army General Oleg Salyukov, in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper on the eve of the Ground Forces Day, which is celebrated on October 1. He added that the set of combat equipment of the second generation "Warrior", and it has been supplied with weapons since 2015, includes elements of systems of destruction, control, protection, life support and energy supply.
Army General Salyukov specified what all these elements consist of. In the destruction system - rifle, grenade and flamethrower systems, hand grenades and cold steel, in the energy supply system - power sources and chargers, power conversion and transmission equipment, in the life support system - combat equipment kits (safety glasses, hearing protection, equipment disguises), food, aid, combat clothing, and a functional state monitoring kit. The control system includes a complex of intelligence, control and communications, information processing and display facilities. An armor helmet and a protective kit are part of the protection system.
“The staffing of the ground forces with new sets of combat equipment already exceeds 70 percent,” said Oleg Salyukov.
https://rg.ru/2019/09/30/ekipirovka-ratnik-uvelichila-boevye-vozmozhnosti-pehotinca-v-dva-raza.html
Basically new information on Ratnik-2.
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More on Ratnik-2:
Russia is also not ready to stand aside. Star TV channel reports on the use of intelligent fabrics in the set of promising equipment of the Russian "soldier of the future" Ratnik-2. In particular, aramid fabric impregnated with a special composition from Kamenskvolokno JSC is used in the mold. About this in his material about the new equipment told the channel "Star".
In 2018, Rostec introduced the chameleon material, and in 2019 - its revised version. This fabric is able to imitate the landscape - this material covered the helmet of the “Warrior”. For effective camouflage of a fighter or equipment, a few watts of electricity is enough for the material. Responsible for the development of engineers from the Research Technological Institute "Technomash."
For the Arctic, the Advanced Research Foundation (FPI) has developed a special material that can accumulate heat during physical exertion and then release it back. This fabric is capable of 3-5 times surpassing the available foreign materials in the accumulated energy reserve. This was announced by the director of the fund, Andrei Grigoryev, in a TASS comment on July 9, 2019. The fabric was created using the technology of producing ultra-thin fibers using electrospinning.
In addition, Russian scientists managed to develop smart materials similar to those described at the beginning of the article: they allow air and water vapor to pass through, but retain aerosol particles (*letting sweat evaporate, but preventing biological/chemical contamination*). The FPI said that work on the fabric is being carried out jointly with the Saratov State University.
https://topwar.ru/162114-umnaja-forma.html
Russia is developing
Russia is also not ready to stand aside. Star TV channel reports on the use of intelligent fabrics in the set of promising equipment of the Russian "soldier of the future" Ratnik-2. In particular, aramid fabric impregnated with a special composition from Kamenskvolokno JSC is used in the mold. About this in his material about the new equipment told the channel "Star".
In 2018, Rostec introduced the chameleon material, and in 2019 - its revised version. This fabric is able to imitate the landscape - this material covered the helmet of the “Warrior”. For effective camouflage of a fighter or equipment, a few watts of electricity is enough for the material. Responsible for the development of engineers from the Research Technological Institute "Technomash."
For the Arctic, the Advanced Research Foundation (FPI) has developed a special material that can accumulate heat during physical exertion and then release it back. This fabric is capable of 3-5 times surpassing the available foreign materials in the accumulated energy reserve. This was announced by the director of the fund, Andrei Grigoryev, in a TASS comment on July 9, 2019. The fabric was created using the technology of producing ultra-thin fibers using electrospinning.
In addition, Russian scientists managed to develop smart materials similar to those described at the beginning of the article: they allow air and water vapor to pass through, but retain aerosol particles (*letting sweat evaporate, but preventing biological/chemical contamination*). The FPI said that work on the fabric is being carried out jointly with the Saratov State University.
https://topwar.ru/162114-umnaja-forma.html
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Why are they making such helmet that reduce the field of view and covers the ears ? Those are natural detectors for the human and very usefull to detect wheb tgey are fired at, or see or hear movements.
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Natural sensors....you do realize in pitch black you can't see (common time for special forces movement), and firing firearms, launching munitions, and being surrounded by explosions severely reduces your ability to hear?Isos wrote:Why are they making such helmet that reduce the field of view and covers the ears ? Those are natural detectors for the human and very usefull to detect wheb tgey are fired at, or see or hear movements.
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I would suggest that by Ratnik 3 they will have hearing protection, but also electronically boosted hearing with external microphones and speakers allowing them to hear normal and abnormal sounds while preventing very very loud noises from damaging the soldiers ears or hearing or disorienting them.
Same for the eyes, they already said active visors displaying information in their field of view, so cameras in visible and non-visible frequencies will enhance vision dramatically. What seems to be a lack of FOV depends on the cameras and displays and processing power in the system.
HUDs for humans could be implimented along with blue tooth sensors in the rifle and rifle sight... they have already shown IWS systems with thermal imagine and a range of gyros that can determine the angle and direction the fire arm is point in and together with a laser range finder and knowledge of the barrel length, ammo type and calibre used can project the ballistic path of the round in real time... lasing targets would allow impact points and also aim points to be projected in to the visor... with an electronic trigger you could even set the system up like the system used in the MiG-29 in the early 1980s where the pilot selected and locked the target with the IRST sensor, which tracked the target optically and used the laser range finder for precise ranging, and so to shoot the target the pilot pulled the trigger and manouvered the projected crosshair onto the target... when the target was aligned the computer would fire the gun automatically.
Same for the eyes, they already said active visors displaying information in their field of view, so cameras in visible and non-visible frequencies will enhance vision dramatically. What seems to be a lack of FOV depends on the cameras and displays and processing power in the system.
HUDs for humans could be implimented along with blue tooth sensors in the rifle and rifle sight... they have already shown IWS systems with thermal imagine and a range of gyros that can determine the angle and direction the fire arm is point in and together with a laser range finder and knowledge of the barrel length, ammo type and calibre used can project the ballistic path of the round in real time... lasing targets would allow impact points and also aim points to be projected in to the visor... with an electronic trigger you could even set the system up like the system used in the MiG-29 in the early 1980s where the pilot selected and locked the target with the IRST sensor, which tracked the target optically and used the laser range finder for precise ranging, and so to shoot the target the pilot pulled the trigger and manouvered the projected crosshair onto the target... when the target was aligned the computer would fire the gun automatically.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Natural sensors....you do realize in pitch black you can't see (common time for special forces movement), and firing firearms, launching munitions, and being surrounded by explosions severely reduces your ability to hear?Isos wrote:Why are they making such helmet that reduce the field of view and covers the ears ? Those are natural detectors for the human and very usefull to detect wheb tgey are fired at, or see or hear movements.
If there are huge explosion during special ops infiltration then their mission is a fail.
With this on their head they won't hear a guard patrol 10m behind them. Night vision is already available without the need to cover all the head.
The inventor of this thing played little bit too much call of duty or Hallo games.
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Yeah, you are not getting it... they need to wear head protection, they benefit from hearing protection, night vision is also useful... you can give them a set of sound dampening earmuffs... the sort that can detect very quiet sounds so you actually hear very very well... super human in fact, but the speaker in them can't replicate the intense noise of an explosion or gunshot to damage their ears or stun them temporarily, so it protects their hearing at the same time.
Providing head protection and delivering information directly to their eyes including an enhanced view through smoke with thermal imagers, a rear view if you want that, and other advanced features like navigation and communication cues directly in their line of vision can only be a good thing.
You could give them night vision goggles, a set of ear muffs, and a helmet... or you could integrate it into the helmet design with different visor and camera options.
Providing head protection and delivering information directly to their eyes including an enhanced view through smoke with thermal imagers, a rear view if you want that, and other advanced features like navigation and communication cues directly in their line of vision can only be a good thing.
You could give them night vision goggles, a set of ear muffs, and a helmet... or you could integrate it into the helmet design with different visor and camera options.
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The power of the sound makes you know if it is close to you or far away. If this helmet amplifies a sound that is 500m away and reduce the sound near you, you won't have a clear picture of the environment. Add to that it reduces you vision, because from what I see on the picture above it reduces peripheric view.
And most of all it needs power supply. If you are low on batterie in the middle of nowhere or if the batteries get hit or the soldier fall and breack them he will be left with a useless body armour.
And most of all it needs power supply. If you are low on batterie in the middle of nowhere or if the batteries get hit or the soldier fall and breack them he will be left with a useless body armour.
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When you add sound sensors like microphones to a helmet you can get further information too... like the source of gunfire and an estimate of is calibre and muzzle velocity and its estimated distance. Things like breaking twigs are not going to overwhelm the soldier when 50 friendly soldiers are moving through a jungle with those soldiers all hearing 50 footsteps constantly blocking out all other noise.
And power supply is an issue for all modern soldiers from navigation and communication systems, through to optics and other detection equipment.
The audio system only reduces dangerously loud noises and you could turn the volume up or down to suit yourself... the result is the ability to hear clearly things you could hear before but with all the very loud noises removed so your hearing is not damaged.
Didn't realise body armour could be useless, but this helmet probably combines night vision, audio systems for detecting sounds and enemy and friendly fire, but also radio communications, as well as navigation and command information in a visual display, as well as head and eye protection from a range of threats
If restricted field of view is its worst feature then I would say they could choose to take it off if that is a problem.
BTW Most NVG give a very restricted field of view... much more restricted than this helmet...
And power supply is an issue for all modern soldiers from navigation and communication systems, through to optics and other detection equipment.
The audio system only reduces dangerously loud noises and you could turn the volume up or down to suit yourself... the result is the ability to hear clearly things you could hear before but with all the very loud noises removed so your hearing is not damaged.
if the batteries get hit or the soldier fall and breack them he will be left with a useless body armour
Didn't realise body armour could be useless, but this helmet probably combines night vision, audio systems for detecting sounds and enemy and friendly fire, but also radio communications, as well as navigation and command information in a visual display, as well as head and eye protection from a range of threats
If restricted field of view is its worst feature then I would say they could choose to take it off if that is a problem.
BTW Most NVG give a very restricted field of view... much more restricted than this helmet...
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An exoskeleton for special forces with a "third hand" was presented at "Army-2020"
A special-purpose exoskeleton complex is presented at the Army-2020 forum. The device is equipped with gravitational compensators or electric drives, allowing to remove the load from a person in an upright position and while carrying a load, as well as a mechanical manipulator arm.
- The weight of the device is only 20 kilograms, the load being lifted is up to 60 kilograms, and the third hand is 12 kilograms. Additional equipment can be used to protect the shoulders, static retention of the load, reducing the load on the operator by up to 90 percent, - said Sergei Yatsun, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor of Southwestern State University, to RG.
According to tester Yegor Logunov, using the exoskeleton on the battlefield is quite problematic, since it is somewhat uncomfortable to move around in it, but the device is ideally useful for servicemen of repair units. With its help, you can lift and hold heavy objects for a long time without feeling tired.
In addition, the exoskeleton can be used by law enforcement officers during the prevention of riots, since the "third hand" allows you to hold the shield and free your hands.
https://rg.ru/2020/08/23/na-armii-2020-predstavili-ekzoskelet-dlia-specnaza-s-tretej-rukoj.html
Ceramic armor for the protection of equipment and people has been successfully tested
The Technodinamika holding of Rostec State Corporation has successfully completed ballistic tests of armored ceramics, which can be used to protect personnel, ground, air and naval equipment as part of composite armor.
According to the press service of Rostec, corundum ceramic armor plates demonstrated high protective properties, comparable to armor steel, at a smaller size and weight. Serial production of products is planned to begin in the near future.
Pottery is usually associated with clay products. And this is correct, since the word itself comes from the Greek ϰέραμος - clay. Today, for the manufacture of products that are traditionally called ceramic, they use not only natural raw materials - the same clay, but also synthetic compounds.
The ceramic armor in question is based on aluminum oxide and is considered a corundum ceramic. And it is only part of a rather complex composite armor, where ceramics plays the role of a crushing layer and more effectively protects against armor-piercing bullets and shells than steel. Since the strength of such ceramics is higher than the strength of steel, when a bullet hits the ceramic armor, the core is deformed on the surface of the plate and is easily retained by the second layer of protection, which can be steel or polymer.
Tests of armor plates went through several stages, including as part of combat gear, and demonstrated high strength.
"The creation of ceramic armor is one of the most promising trends in the development of body armor. It is lighter and smaller in size, but at the same time more dense in structure than armor steel. Plates of corundum ceramics are able to protect not only personnel, but also air, land and naval equipment from armor-piercing bullets and shells. Currently, work is underway to prepare for serial production of products that will be supplied to manufacturers of personal body armor and combat equipment ", - said Igor Nasenkov, General Director of the Tekhnodinamika holding.
During tests at the Research Institute of Steel, ceramic plates were fired from a 7.62-mm Dragunov sniper rifle (SVD) at a speed of 805-832 meters per second. Then the armor plates were tested as part of protective equipment on the basis of the leading domestic developer of individual armor protection - JSC "Kirasa". According to the test results, the coefficient of the dimensionless penetration delay time, which implies the number of runs of the sound wave along the plate before its destruction, was 21.6, which characterizes the armor ceramics as high quality.
In addition to ceramics, ultra-high molecular polyethylene is increasingly used in armor protection. One of the leaders in this area is the Armakom company. The company's calling card is the 6B47 helmet, which was developed and introduced to the troops under the Ratnik state program .
The Armakom armored panel presented at Army-2020 protects the Dragunov sniper rifle from armor-piercing bullets. The panel weighs only three and a half kilograms. And she is completely domestic production.
https://rg.ru/2020/09/05/keramicheskaia-bronia-dlia-zashchity-tehniki-i-liudej-uspeshno-proshla-ispytaniia.html
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The exoskeleton is not just for sappers anymore:
https://twitter.com/RostecRussia/status/1310856981503250434
https://twitter.com/RostecRussia/status/1310856981503250434
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Reposting for those who can't access twitter:magnumcromagnon wrote:The exoskeleton is not just for sappers anymore:
https://twitter.com/RostecRussia/status/1310856981503250434
MOSCOW, September 28. /TASS/. Rostech demonstrated tests of universal exoskeletons for army and industry developed by Rostech - Trusted Platforms Robotics Complexes.
The video distributed on Monday by the State Corporation's press service demonstrates the soldier's movements in full equipment and with weapons: moving across rough terrain, running, squatting, jumping from one place to an elevated platform, as well as getting into a car and climbing stairs.
"The exoskeleton is hidden under the equipment, does not bind the movement and unloads the musculoskeletal system. It allows you to carry combat equipment and weapons weighing up to 60 kg, while itself weighs 6 kg, "- reported in the roller.
It is noted that the exoskeleton joints can be blocked for a long time in one position.
In December 2019, experts TsNIItochmash (part of Rostekh), where they are developing advanced combat equipment "Sotnik", said that in the next two or three years, mass production will be released in passive exoskeletons to carry heavy loads without power sources, and within four to six years may begin production of active exoskeletons.
At the same time, Rostekh reminded that the already developed sample of a passive force exoskeleton, which helps to carry weights, was tested in combat conditions, in particular in the operation in Syria. The press service did not rule out that the exoskeleton would be included in the combat equipment of the 3rd generation "Sotnik".
A video on movements with the exosuit:
Locking functionality:
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