BMP-3 in Russian Army

franco wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

franco wrote:The last of the present order for BMP-3 (200 plus) has just been delivered. Not aware of any further orders announced.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153342@egNews

What about the upgraded variants that were recently shown?

This order is an updated version over the previous orders plus there is an upgrade program in place... how many not sure.

so how many BMP-3s we have now in Russian Army?

The infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3 is equipped with the 19th, 20th, 27th and 136th motorized rifle brigades, the 4th military base and at least four training centers.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3082755.html

The 102nd motorized rifle regiment of the 150th motorized rifle division received BMP-3

The video footage made on social networks, made on April 7, 2018 in the village of Petrovka of the Rostov Oblast (40 km from the border with Ukraine - in fact, with the DNR) and demonstrating BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, presumably from the 102nd Motorized Infantry the regiment of the new 150th Motorized Rifle Idritsko-Berlin Order of Kutuzov of the division of the 8th Guards Combined-Arms Army of the Southern Military District (dislocation of the regiment - the village of Persianovsky of the Rostov Region).

According to a number of reports, the 102nd Motorized Rifle Regiment received at least one battalion of BMP-3 of the new production of Kurgan Machine-Building Plant JSC under the contract of the Russian Defense Ministry of 2015. As you can judge, the video shows the BMP-3 manufactured under this contract and differing in the installation of the combined sight of the SODEM B03S03 Sodema with a thermal imaging channel (the manufacturer of the sight is JSC Vologda Optical and Mechanical Plant, part of the Schwabe holding company).



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3153377.html

BMP-3 of new production in the 136th separate motorized rifle brigade in Buinaksk

New BMP-3M combat vehicle of the 136th Motorized Rifle Brigade in Bainaksk. May 9, 2018

According to media reports in October 2017, "The newest BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle will be supplied to the motorized rifle formation of the 58th combined arms army in Dagestan by the end of the year, more than 100 vehicles will be delivered. As the press service of the Southern Military District reports, the new armored vehicles will replace the outdated BMP-2 as part of the rearmament program. "

In April 2018, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported: "As part of the rearmament program for the Southern Military District (South Ossetia), the motorized rifle formation of the 58th All-Arms Army deployed in Dagestan received the first batch of the newest models of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3. The first approbation in the combat conditions, the new equipment will be delivered at the Dal'nii Combined Arms Range during the passing of control exercises for the winter training period. "

In the first quarter of 2018, the 136th Motorized Rifle Brigade received 23 BMP-3 combat vehicles

The first BMP-3 vehicles the 136th Brigade received in 2010 to equip the training company. It was supposed to retool the entire brigade on BMP-3, but then these plans did not materialize.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3195872.html

Behind is also seen the new Tunguska-M1.

franco wrote:In-depth look at the BMP-3 produced and users:

https://altyn73.livejournal.com/2018/05/27/

nice babies franco, thanks for the link

Not really in "Russian Army" but....

BMP-3 supposedly for Iraqi Army :


The vehicle seems largely based on the BMP-3M upgrade showcased at Kubinka in 2015.
If features the upgraded gunner sight complex sodema (as per BMP-3M for Russian Army) and "Schürzen armor" on the sides, rather than the addon modules seen on Russian vehicles.
Additional features are cage armor on the turret, and the commander sighting complex is upgraded with PL-1-01 laser beamer to replace the IR searchlight

yes it is iraqi. some have already arrived in iraq alongside a simulator.

We all know about the 57mm AA gun development mounted on the bmp-3 but is there plans to mount the 57mm gun on bmp-3 in role of AFV?  I've seen articles on BTR-80 version with 57mm gun.

d_taddei2 wrote:We all know about the 57mm AA gun development mounted on the bmp-3 but is there plans to mount the 57mm gun on bmp-3 in role of AFV?  I've seen articles on BTR-80 version with 57mm gun.

My understanding is that the 57mm guns are designed for dual anti-air and ground use anyway.

flamming_python wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:We all know about the 57mm AA gun development mounted on the bmp-3 but is there plans to mount the 57mm gun on bmp-3 in role of AFV?  I've seen articles on BTR-80 version with 57mm gun.

My understanding is that the 57mm guns are designed for dual anti-air and ground use anyway.

In theory as long as a gun can elevate high enough it could engage aircraft and of course an dedicated anti air system like tunguska can lower it's guns to engage ground targets. 

The new AA 57mm gun system is a dedicated air defence weapon that can target ground targets. and the AU-220M Baikal RCWS turret has been mentioned on btr -80 and bmp-3 nothing concrete yet. and having a dedicated 57mm turret for AFV use would likely have kornet attached to it. AA system would likely have some sort of radar attached. The btr-82 30mm gun is a dedicated ground attack turret but in theory could engage a helicopter. 

0nillie0 wrote:Not really in "Russian Army" but....

BMP-3 supposedly for Iraqi Army :


The vehicle seems largely based on the BMP-3M upgrade showcased at Kubinka in 2015.
If features the upgraded gunner sight complex sodema (as per BMP-3M for Russian Army) and "Schürzen armor" on the sides, rather than the addon modules seen on Russian vehicles.
Additional features are cage armor on the turret, and the commander sighting complex is upgraded with PL-1-01 laser beamer to replace the IR searchlight

on some forums some where surprised at iraq buying such mostly down usa influence and buying of usa weapons. but I remember reading an article when UAE were deciding on a AFV they invited various companies with various vehicles to be tested on desert climates and they were put through their paces. and although Bradley vehicles on paper looked good having TOW and good armour they proved not to be very reliable. The bmp-3 was chosen not because it's was cheaper and had a multitude of weapons including atgw capabilities but because it coped better in the desert climate. so its no surprise that iraq chose it having similar climate. Kuwait also have it and Saudi rumoured to be interested although it's gone quiet on it.

There are apparently two different models of the AU-220M turret, one with higher footprint in the hull but also fire rate and number of rounds (for AA-specific vehicle?) and other swallower for infantry vehicles. It seems both have been tested in the bmp-3

d_taddei2 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:We all know about the 57mm AA gun development mounted on the bmp-3 but is there plans to mount the 57mm gun on bmp-3 in role of AFV?  I've seen articles on BTR-80 version with 57mm gun.

My understanding is that the 57mm guns are designed for dual anti-air and ground use anyway.

In theory as long as a gun can elevate high enough it could engage aircraft and of course an dedicated anti air system like tunguska can lower it's guns to engage ground targets. 

The new AA 57mm gun system is a dedicated air defence weapon that can target ground targets. and the AU-220M Baikal RCWS turret has been mentioned on btr -80 and bmp-3 nothing concrete yet. and having a dedicated 57mm turret for AFV use would likely have kornet attached to it. AA system would likely have some sort of radar attached. The btr-82 30mm gun is a dedicated ground attack turret but in theory could engage a helicopter. 

Wasn't the idea behind the 57mm AA capability to have some sort of radar vehicle feeding data to the AFVs?

Don't remember exactly.

Fitting a dedicated radar on each AFV could get expensive.

We all know about the 57mm AA gun development mounted on the bmp-3 but is there plans to mount the 57mm gun on bmp-3 in role of AFV? I've seen articles on BTR-80 version with 57mm gun.

I would suspect so.

Even older forces using BMP and BTR and MBTs will get new weapons no doubt... the new vehicles get 57mm guns for the IFV platforms because the 30mm guns are not good enough to engage enemy IFVs... well that logic would apply of an old unit with BMPs came face to face with enemy IFVs so they would need 57mm guns too.

Of course the priority would be for new vehicles I would suspect, but eventually the old vehicles could get new turrets added to make them more compatible... but the obvious problem is that the old vehicles had a commander and a gunner in the turret while the new turrets will be unmanned.

In theory as long as a gun can elevate high enough it could engage aircraft

MSTA can elevate its gun, but would not be much use against aircraft....

The btr-82 30mm gun is a dedicated ground attack turret but in theory could engage a helicopter.

Actually I have heard the BTR-82 will have the new air burst ammo system installed so it could take out UAVs too...
And it would also be useful against targets behind front cover but with no top cover (ie behind a brick wall).

The bmp-3 was chosen not because it's was cheaper and had a multitude of weapons including atgw capabilities but because it coped better in the desert climate. so its no surprise that iraq chose it having similar climate. Kuwait also have it and Saudi rumoured to be interested although it's gone quiet on it.

Also it does not get credit in the west but in flat open terrain like in the desert having a 100mm gun able to fire HE rounds out to 7km range is a rather potent and powerful weapon against a variety of targets 30mm cannon fire would not have much effect upon.

Wasn't the idea behind the 57mm AA capability to have some sort of radar vehicle feeding data to the AFVs?

Don't remember exactly.

Fitting a dedicated radar on each AFV could get expensive.

In most air defence units all the vehicles link together and share target data, normally with one vehicle managing the engagements so they don't all open up on the same target and ignore the other threats. Targets are given to vehicles so all targets are engaged... equally if it is 6 Tunguskas then they don't all need to operate their radar in scan mode to find targets.

So a gun vehicle with a 57mm gun would not need its own radar as long as it operated somewhere where the air was being scanned by something for targets it would be fine.

All new vehicles are fitted with datalink systems. In case of need air defence vehicles or radar systems organic to the unit will transmit data to AICV´s to guide their weapons in air defence mode.

This bottom photo has the standard IFV turret that looks the same as the 30mm cannon armed turret shown on the Armata and Kurganets IFVs, but with a 57mm gun... though it looks a rather small calibre to me...

The contract for the repair of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3

According to the Tula web-site TSN24, RT-Kurganmashzavod JSC (structured as part of the holding company NPO High-Precision Complexes, which is part of the state corporation Rostec, which is engaged in the rehabilitation of Kurgan Machine-Building Plant, JSC) will repair Tula JSC "Design Bureau of Instrumentation named after AG Shipunova"'s
97 infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3. Relevant documentation is published on the government procurement website [the government procurement website is unavailable until January 6, 2019. From it follows that the Tula enterprise for this purpose will spend 6 billion 109 million 658 thousand 33 rubles. The overhaul of infantry combat vehicles should be completed by October 2019.


Infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3 on the overhaul in the shop Production and service association of military products "Kurganmashservis" JSC "Kurgan Machine-Building Plant". Kurgan, March 2017 (c) bmpd

Also, this resource reports that, according to other documentation published on the website of public procurement Tula JSC “Design Bureau of Instrument Engineering named after A.G. Shipunova ”will purchase from the JSC“ RT-Kurganmashzavod ” five chassis of the infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3 (as you can understand, of new production). From the draft agreement it follows that the chassis will cost the company 231 million rubles.

From the side of bmpd, we recall that the JSC Kurgan Machine-Building Plant (KMZ) has been overhauling the BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles belonging to the Ministry of Defense of Russia since 2014. A new order for the repair of another 97 BMP-3 suggests that an overhaul in this way will pass all the BMP-3 of the 1987-1993 release on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Defense (then KMZ produced 339 serial machines, of which, it is estimated, now there are at least 250 units).

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3481927.html

This video is interesting... especially the end where a simulated room/target is shot at first with the PKT coaxial MG... whose tracer rounds start fires in dry conditions. Then the 30mm obliterates the target... but the last shot is with the 100mm gun which seems to be firing a HE incendiary round as the area set on fire is enormous...



And part two with more driving and shooting and a bit of rescuing too:

Great videos shame they didn't fire the 30mm & 100mm at vehicles and shame they didn't fire the bastion but still great video's any footage out there of bastion being fired from any system ?

In the second video they fired 100mm and 30mm rounds at an old BTR...

20 minutes and 20 seconds for the 30mm cannon (before that they fire at a cardboard AFV shape with 30mm), and about 20 minutes 50 seconds for a 100mm shot at the same BTR target... then they hit a stack of wood with the 100mm round...

GarryB wrote:In the second video they fired 100mm and 30mm rounds at an old BTR...

20 minutes and 20 seconds for the 30mm cannon (before that they fire at a cardboard AFV shape with 30mm), and about 20 minutes 50 seconds for a 100mm shot at the same BTR target... then they hit a stack of wood with the 100mm round...

Ok thanks I have to admit I watch first video fully and second video I watched snippets must have missed it.  but still no bastion lol