Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

TR1 wrote:Uh no. Their status is well known because people who post on forums served in the navy, because the navy actually classifies them as reserve or conserved.

George1 wrote:Upgraded large anti-submarine ships Project 1155 will be armed with cruise missiles "Caliber" and "Onyx"

Udaloys don't have vertical launchers. So it will be a radical renovation i guess. So how costly it will be?

artjomh wrote:

George1 wrote:Upgraded large anti-submarine ships Project 1155 will be armed with cruise missiles "Caliber" and "Onyx"

Udaloys don't have vertical launchers. So it will be a radical renovation i guess. So how costly it will be?

Not necessarily vertical...

artjomh wrote:

George1 wrote:Upgraded large anti-submarine ships Project 1155 will be armed with cruise missiles "Caliber" and "Onyx"

Udaloys don't have vertical launchers. So it will be a radical renovation i guess. So how costly it will be?

Not necessarily vertical...

20.11.2015
Major ASW ship Vice Admiral Kulakov entered the Red Sea

Today the Northern Fleet major ASW ship Vice Admiral Kulakov performing tasks during a long-range cruise finished passing the Suez Canal from the Mediterranean Sea into the Red Sea and continued movement to the off-shore ocean zone.

A day ago, the crew conducted training on damage control in movement, checked simulated suspicious vessel, and performed counterterrorist actions using small arms.

Several days ago, the ship made an official visit to the port of Limassol (Cyprus) for rest and replenishment of water, food and fuel supplies.

Since October 23, the major ASW ship Vice Admiral Kulakov has already passed over 5,5 thousand nautical miles, some of them under the conditions of stormy weather.

Isos wrote:What did they put in the place of the removed gun on the Udaloy II ? I can't found any information on that.
When you remove a gun you have a lot of place to put others system but It seems they didn't add anything more than switching missiles from Silex to Moskits and Ak to kashtans.

GarryB wrote:Actually the last models with IR guidance options are not stealthy by any means but on paper are rather capable systems.

The suns location at any time is able to be calculated very accurately, so if you know the position of an enemy ship it would be fairly easy to launch such a missile at them and conceal the IR signature of the missile with the rising sun.

Most ships don't sail around with all radars blasing as it reveals their position for thousands of kms, so an IR guided missile coming in from the sun would be a threat even today.

Its primary role however is anti sub and in that role it is as effective as the torpedo that it carries... which I would suspect has been improved over time.

To answer your question however the replacement is the UKSK vertical launch system that can carry land attack cruise missiles, anti ship missiles and anti sub missiles that deliver torpedoes.

The Klub system includes two ASW weapons that consist of rockets that deliver Torpedoes to the target area. One is for surface launch from Ships and the other is for launch from submerged submarines. Both are ballistic rockets that fly at mach 2.5 to the target area that can be 40-50km from the launch vessel.

The UKSK system has 8 tubes and can be fitted with ASW missiles as described above or anti ship missiles like the subsonic or supersonic Klub, or the anti ship supersonic Oniks/Yakhont/Brahmos, or the subsonic land attack Klub.

For a surface ship the (domestic non export) ranges are 40km for the ASW, 2,500km and 1,500km for subsonic and supersonic anti ship respectively, 500-700km estimate for Oniks, 280-300km for export only Yakhont and Brahmos, and 2,500km for subsonic land attack Klub. The latter is sometimes called Kalibre.


Upgraded ships like the Kirov class vessels will get UKSK launchers.

For ships like late model Krivak the UKSK is likely along with vertical launch Shtil.

Hopefully Shtil will eventually be integrated to Redut...

How was the SSN-14 Silex by 1980s standard ?
I mean as an ASuW weapon ? I know that it was greatly outranged by Harpoon but can the Rastrub still be useful in situations where the geographical features like fiords, islands, gulfs prevent the full utilization of Harpoons range of its opponents?
Guess what I'm trying to ask is if there is lets say a KAra class ship vs a Harpoon equipped destroyer , will the Kara stand any chance with SSN-14 ? and if so what tactics it can use to exploit its advantages and minimize its opponents advantages

GarryB wrote:

How was the SSN-14 Silex by 1980s standard ?
I mean as an ASuW weapon ? I know that it was greatly outranged by Harpoon but can the Rastrub still be useful in situations where the geographical features like fiords, islands, gulfs prevent the full utilization of Harpoons range of its opponents?
Guess what I'm trying to ask is if there is lets say a KAra class ship vs a Harpoon equipped destroyer , will the Kara stand any chance with SSN-14 ? and if so what tactics it can use to exploit its advantages and minimize its opponents advantages

You are comparing an anti sub weapon with secondary anti ship capabilities with a dedicated anti ship missile.

Harpoon was smaller and much more compact but never carried in very large numbers by any one vessel.

Its active radar homing would alert the target it was being attacked and most Soviet vessels of the time had plenty of 30mm gatlings to deal with low flying subsonic missiles given enough warning.

The SS-N-14 on the other hand has IR guidance and would give little to no warning of the impending attack.

I would suspect a tactic that could be used would be to land the torpedo in the water close to the enemy ship and attack it with that, but I suspect the whole missile with an onboard warhead plus the entire weight and warhead of the torpedo would have made a hit by the Soviet missile much more effective than a hit by Harpoon.

smaller platform like a corvette without CIWS and /or SAM attacked by a SSN-14 silex missile then maybe it will be vulnerable ? given lack of modern defences

Large anti-submarine ship "Marshal Shaposhnikov" will get missile system "Uran"

Repair work on the technical condition of a large anti-submarine ship of the Pacific Fleet "Marshal Shaposhnikov", Project 1155 (serial number 114), to the extension of maintenance periods and implementation of individual modernization works carried out by JSC "Center of Ship Repair" Dalzavod "(CSD) in Vladivostok, enter into an active phase .

On the one hand, finally, almost a year after the conclusion of the state contract (1 April 2015), on the BOD "Marshal Shaposhnikov" started dock repair - March 30, 2016 at the Maritime Forum Air Base were photos of BOD supplied in dry dock Dalzavod.

In addition, the IPC on the procurement site published information about the number of contracts with subcontractors state contract for ship repair.

For more in July 31, 2015 signed a contract with JSC "Machine-Building Design Bureau", included in the JSC "Tactical Missiles Corporation". Subject of the contract - supply of two sets of products 3C-24 value of 47 million rubles. According to the known data 3C-24 (aka CT-184) - This launcher ship missile complex 3K24 "Uran" with anti-ship missiles Kh-35 (3M24). manufacturing plant life is determined in 18 months. Earlier plans to install "Uran" on the BOD Project 1155 have been reported.

On May 28th, 2015 an agreement was signed with OAO Vladivostok "Emerald" (part of the JSC "Concern" Morinformsystem-Agat") for the supply of goods MR-123-02 / 3. Universal naval artillery fire control system MR-123-02 / 3 "Bagheera" is designed for fire control naval flak 30-100 mm caliber and unguided jet weapon 122, 140 mm for air targets, including anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, ship self-defense when by means of air attack, on marine and coastal targets to provide fire support for landing and destruction of coastal defense objects in depth in the application of active and passive radar and optical-electronic interference. The composition of the JMA "MR-123-02 / 3" in the full version includes radar and optical-electronic channels. Price MSA - 165.300.000 rubles, delivery time - until the end of 2016.

On December 23, 2015 signed a contract with the St. Petersburg JSC "BCP" RIO "for the supply of automated complex of the P-779-28 and the complex communication system of the Global Maritime Distress GMDSS. The cost of the agreement - 422.786.000 rubles, the term of the contract execution - 12 months.

In addition to the previously signed contracts with JSC "NPP" Salute "for the supply of radar detection of total MP-710 and 5P-30N2 worth over 980 million rubles. (About them - link), on February 2nd 2016 signed another contract for the supply of 5P-30P radar data processing system. The price of the contract - 122 million rubles, the period of validity - until the end of 2016.

In addition, in 2015 an agreement was signed with JSC "Taganrog Scientific Research Institute of Communications" for the delivery of TC-25-2 with a price of 280.6 million rubles and the execution period of 16 months. According to Concern "Radio-electronic technology", which includes TNIIS, ship jamming complex TK-25 is designed to provide electronic protection of the object from a radio-controlled weapons airborne and shipborne through the creation of active interference with a spectral width of 64 to 2000 MHz, and pulse misleading and simulation of interference with the use of copies of the signal. The complex is able to simultaneously analyze up to 256 targets.

JSC "Northern Design Bureau" is conducted:

- Development of design documentation for the installation of replacement systems B and TC, certain "Decision on the organization of works on repair of technical BOD Head of Project 1155. №114 with the implementation of individual modernization works in accordance with the technical specifications of MP-1476 from 07.02.2015, the »№ 15-2 / 2150 of 27 April 2015,
- Reproduction and delivery of the documentation of the main project for the application letter,
- Technical support for modernization works,
- Participation in commissions for the inclining experiment and to extend CRM and PSA during the repair order to the implementation of individual modernization works.

The price of these works, agreed 243rd Military Mission of the Russian Defense Ministry - 901 390 000 rubles. (The price offered by the performer - 1.045 billion rubles.) [Source: Purchase number 31503147905 (link) - a scan of the contract (reference), the terms of reference (link), the statement of performance (link)].

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1826547.html

In 2002, the PRC signed a contract with Russia to purchase an additional two improved Project 956EM destroyers worth US$1.4 billion. The first hull, Taizhou 138, was launched in April 2004 and delivered on 28 December 2005[/b]. The second hull, Ningbo (139) was launched in July 2004 and delivered in September 2006[/b].

Main propulsion include four KVG-3 high-pressure steam boilers, 50,000hp TV-12-4 steam turbines, driving two fixed pitch propellers. Electric power is supplied by two 1,000kW steam turbo-generators and four 600kW diesel generators. The ship has a maximum speed of 32 knots and an economic speed of 18 knots.

hoom wrote:The Chinese are doing something like that.


I think Russians looked at it but decided against because engines are so bad & by the time you rip out all the old stuff, fix and replace with new stuff the price is basically same as a brand new ship with all the advantages of a modern design/engine.

There was a sketch of upgraded Sov I was looking at recently that was I think part of Almaz Sthil-1 promo, can't find it right now though