Syrian Civil War: News #9

Vann7 wrote:
meanwhile in aleppo ,new videos surface of the shooting gallery contest
that is happening in the opened siege of Aleppo. It might be "open" for bodies
to enter but is also open for bullets too to fly .



Looks like a little desperate ..

zorobabel wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
meanwhile in aleppo ,new videos surface of the shooting gallery contest
that is happening in the opened siege of Aleppo. It might be "open" for bodies
to enter but is also open for bullets too to fly .


Looks like a little desperate ..

Capturing that hill, Al-Qara is the name I think, was a good move. It gives them pretty good fire control over the terrorist supply line.

d_taddei2 wrote:some good news

Daraya to be handed to the Syrian Army following agreement.
finally this place will soon be liberated, and some of the terrorists have used the amnesty offer given by Assad, on the bad side the rest of the terrorists will be allowed to travel north to terrorist held areas. And with Eastern Ghouta slowly collapsing this is a good chance for the SAA to send the troops from Daraya to the Ghouta front to help speed things up, i think by the end of the year Damascus could be fully liberated at this rate


https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/daraya-handed-syrian-army-following-agreement/

sepheronx wrote:This is to prevent at all costs Kurds from holding border. Doubt it will be allowed.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:This is to prevent at all costs Kurds from holding border. Doubt it will be allowed.

who will stop them if they do. There is nothing preventing them from doing so.

PapaDragon wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:This is to prevent at all costs Kurds from holding border. Doubt it will be allowed.

who will stop them if they do. There is nothing preventing them from doing so.

Why prevent them at all?

Kurds have become massive problem and they have openly attacked SAA. They even shelled Castello Road for Christ's sakes. Turkish army is more interested in eradicating Kurds than anything else. Attacking SAA will compromise their core objective and put another freeze on relations with Russia. So let Turks do their thing up North, it's not like SAA can control that place now.

And it will be easier down the road (10+ years) to get foreign military out of Syria than some locals who have legal right to be there. This way Turks are actually contributing to Syrian territorial integrity.

Assad is probably laughing his ass off at Kurdish stupidity right now.

JohninMK wrote:Really interesting take on the situation that Fortrus has put up, with some good comments. Well worth the read

Basically what's going on is a lot deeper than it looks, with the US conned into helping Turkey/Russia/Syria/Iran forestall a Kurdistan. If true could possibly be another genius strategy moment out of Moscow.

To explain, as of the moment of writing (11.30am MSK), neither Moscow, Tehran, nor even Damascus has issued any statement condemning Turkey’s military intervention, and the website of the official Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) is noticeably silent about this development. All of this is very strange if one accepts the assumption that Turkey’s moves constitute an ‘invasion’ of Syria, since while the Kremlin critics might invent all sorts of explanations for why Moscow isn’t saying anything, less people can attribute a semi-plausible reason to why Tehran and Damascus aren’t publicly rabid with fury right now. Though it’s true that Turkey is even coordinating part of its operation with the assistance of US air support, there’s actually a novel, contextual touch to that which needs to be further elaborated on.

Much more at http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/08/turkey-crosses-into-syria-unipolar.html

par far wrote:Not from me, from another author but this is a must read.

Washington will do anything and I mean anything to retain Turkey in its camp which Edorgan is surely aware of (cost and benefits wise). At this stage the battle against the kurds in Syria by Turkey might be switch to regime change or fragmentation plan B by America, and no doubt Russia will not confront the US militarily in Syria so Axis of Resistance better prepared for the worse, the possibility of America's (through Turkey) occupation of Syria. Turkey will not really go after Daesh but the kurds who will put up resistance against the Sultan army for as long as it takes. Here's where I believe the kurds and Assad can work together because the kurds agreeing to stay within the Syria system will make them Assad ally if need arises to push the Turks (America) out of Syria militarily, but I hope Washington do not get there first by making a compromise between the kurds and Turkey and create a kurds false group which can continue to create skirmishes here and there for Turkey to continue to justify her occupation not withstanding the agreement reached between Syria and Turkey before the invasion (Washington only act according to agreed terms when it suits her interest, the Russians and Iranians knows better). Whichever way this play out the empire is still far from quenching its taste for blood in Syria.

medo wrote:Now we could only assume, how the Kurds are feeling now, when US throw them under the train to appease sultan Erdogan after failed coup against him. US is losing their most important allies there.

zorobabel wrote:

par far wrote:Not from me, from another author but this is a must read.

Washington will do anything and I mean anything to retain Turkey in its camp which Edorgan is surely aware of (cost and benefits wise). At this stage the battle against the kurds in Syria by Turkey might be switch to regime change or fragmentation plan B by America, and no doubt Russia will not confront the US militarily in Syria so Axis of Resistance better prepared for the worse, the possibility of America's (through Turkey) occupation of Syria. Turkey will not really go after Daesh but the kurds who will put up resistance against the Sultan army for as long as it takes. Here's where I believe the kurds and Assad can work together because the kurds agreeing to stay within the Syria system will make them Assad ally if need arises to push the Turks (America) out of Syria militarily, but I hope Washington do not get there first by making a compromise between the kurds and Turkey and create a kurds false group which can continue to create skirmishes here and there for Turkey to continue to justify her occupation not withstanding the agreement reached between Syria and Turkey before the invasion (Washington only act according to agreed terms when it suits her interest, the Russians and Iranians knows better). Whichever way this play out the empire is still far from quenching its taste for blood in Syria.

I agree with this sentiment and also medo's post above. Several Pentagon and CIA insiders have stated over the years that the chaos among the 'rebels' and islamists in Syria is a result of America losing control of its vassals -- primarily Turkey and Saudi Arabia. So the US will do everything in its power to keep Turkey within its sphere, which is why American media outlets are already praising Turkey's intervention 'against ISIS' (lol).

I've yet to read a convincing argument that Turkey's invasion is good for either Syria or Russia. It removed the POSSIBILITY of a Kurdish state in northern Syria, yes, but replaced it with a CERTAINTY that any land taken by the Turko-terrorist alliance will never come under the control of Damascus. Once they have finished rebranding ISIS as FSA in North Aleppo, I suspect they'll promptly begin to attack SAA positions there as well.

Kurds: We shall stick our dicks in the blender.

Everybody: Don't stick your dicks in the blender.

Kurds: Too late...

par far wrote:..............

The only worrying thing now is the US will force the Kurds to go for Al-Raqqa, the SAA need to hurry up and go for Al-Raqqa.

par far wrote:... and no doubt Russia will not confront the US militarily in Syria so Axis of Resistance better prepared for the worse, the possibility of America's (through Turkey) occupation of Syria. Turkey will not really go after Daesh but the kurds who will put up resistance against the Sultan army for as long as it takes. Here's where I believe the kurds and Assad can work together because the kurds agreeing to stay within the Syria system will make them Assad ally if need arises to push the Turks (America) out of Syria militarily, but I hope Washington do not get there first by making a compromise between the kurds and Turkey and create a kurds false group which can continue to create skirmishes here and there for Turkey to continue to justify her occupation not withstanding the agreement reached between Syria and Turkey before the invasion (Washington only act according to agreed terms when it suits her interest, the Russians and Iranians knows better). Whichever way this play out the empire is still far from quenching its taste for blood in Syria.

Azi wrote:

par far wrote:... and no doubt Russia will not confront the US militarily in Syria so Axis of Resistance better prepared for the worse, the possibility of America's (through Turkey) occupation of Syria. Turkey will not really go after Daesh but the kurds who will put up resistance against the Sultan army for as long as it takes. Here's where I believe the kurds and Assad can work together because the kurds agreeing to stay within the Syria system will make them Assad ally if need arises to push the Turks (America) out of Syria militarily, but I hope Washington do not get there first by making a compromise between the kurds and Turkey and create a kurds false group which can continue to create skirmishes here and there for Turkey to continue to justify her occupation not withstanding the agreement reached between Syria and Turkey before the invasion (Washington only act according to agreed terms when it suits her interest, the Russians and Iranians knows better). Whichever way this play out the empire is still far from quenching its taste for blood in Syria.

First of all...USA is not the personification of Evil! And not everyone in the world is a puppet of CIA and Co. Where are the trillion of dollars in abundance around? In Washington or the Arabic Peninsula??? The calculation is clear...who has the money in abundance, who has the motivation and who one will have the biggest profit? USA??? NO!!! The sunni arabic neighbors? YES!

The conflict in Syria was not forced by the CIA, they just took only the opportunity to exacerbate conflict. You can give someone millions of dollars, but this makes not a jihadi of him! Syria was indeed not a peacefull and perfect place, Syria is something like a dictatorship, but a really soft one. Radical muslim organisations were sponsored since 70ies from wealthy patrons from arabic peninsula. The mix of dictatorship and radical organisations gave a explosive mix. With the beginning of the "revolution" the wealthy sheiks spent a lot of money to move syrian officers to flags getaway. I remember in the first months of the revolution the SAA lost nearly the half of officers, because of arabic money, hatred of Assad, whatever. The USA planned the "revolution" not 50 years ago, the USA have no masterplan!!! The USA are just acting, from day to day, the have no really plan for Syria, the only plan is to destabilize the area, there is no bigger plan behind.

No one can say if the saudi arabs are the masters of the USA or otherwise in the syrian conflict! There are too many conflict parties involved with too many interests. And I can write, that the arab neighbors have more interest in a hardcore religious Syria, than the USA. USA is divided in many groups, some want the conflict with Russia others not (for example Clinton vs. Trump). Some groups in the us-adminisration view IS as a tool, other groups want to erradicate IS. The reality is really complex.

One thing is sure...something in Turkey happened. First I thought the coup was just a show, maybe it was a show, but it showed Erdogan how much the West hates him, but Moscow reacted very cool and professional!

Turkey can't act in Syria without the approval of Moscow!!! That's clear! And between SDF and Ankara to choose, Ankara is the more trustfull partner. And don't forget that Ankara is sovereign compared to the Kurds in Syria, the Kurds are US toilet paper! If the kurds can manage to connect the divided kurdish parts in Syria, they would become a real threat for Assad and for Erdogan.

Turkey acts in a area far away from the combat zone of Aleppo and the best is...Ankara redeployed the jihadis now to the border region and let the jihadi pressure out of Aleppo. It will be a long really really long conflict, and personally I think Assad will go, not now but in a few years as a part of a political solution mediated through Russia, Iran and Turkey. No tears to cry, don't forget, not the person is important, the system is important

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Level of ignorance here is over 9000.

Turkey can't act without Moscows orders....The hell you on dude?.

Do you really think Turkey entered syria on orders from Moscow? thats insanity flat out. Any land taken by the turks will never fall into syrian hands again. Ankara trustful please, you gotta be lacking to believe that. The kurds cannot defeat Turkey they will try and they will die.

The Turks had Air support from the states, this shows the US is about to dump the kurds. Turkey is more important to the states then them, the kurds where always just a means to an end.

Only hope the kurds have now is to ally with Assad once the US drops them their independent state is dead and has been dead. Turkey will seize more Syrian land this is guaranteed because they can get away with it.