Syrian Civil War: News #9

sepheronx wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

GarryB wrote:I must admit I only skim read some threads now, but Seph... Turkey attacks Syria and it is Putins fault and he needs to go?

You sound like Resistance... or any other 12 year old who doesn't know or care how the real world works...

No I do not.  You need to understand GarryB that Russia operates in Syria to help protect Syria.  Turkey and US do not.  It would also be under the premise of Russia to protect it politically too by kicking US and Turkey out because their end game is the same - removing Assad.

Because there really isn't any political voice being used by Russia or Iran gives us the indication that Turkey was wanted in Syria by both parties.  But I think the silence has more to do with them not knowing what to do now because of NATO's incursion into Syria.  The reality is that Turkey and US is now giving their full support with actual airforce and artillery to the terrorist groups Al-Sham and FSA.

Anyway, my deep hatred of Putin comes in the wakes of Ukraine conflict and his inability to provide aid to Novorussia who deserves it, all because of politics, while hundreds or thousands are dying thanks to such games.  Russia's resolve of Georgia when it was under Medvedev was the right actions.  I was hoping similar from Putin.  Didn't get it though.  I am happy with Crimea, but not so much about Donetsk and Lugansk.

May I suggest next time to instead of skimming through the posts, to actually read them before judging?  Because then it makes you sound like a 12 year old when you assume things.  I already gave my reasons why multiple of times.  Maybe reading comprehension issues?

If this is your issue it has no ground.

Russia kick the states out? how do you think they will do that. Kick turkey out last I checked the SAA was only so big numbers are a factor here Russia cannot wave its hand and summon fictional bodies. Unless they comment their own forces which would be a huge mistake. Yes have Russia attack a NATO member the United States would love that and I'd be fighting the Russians in the baltics states.

You have any idea the amount of bodies that would pile from such a conflict?.

There is nothing Russia can do in this case, this is way out of their hands. Unless the kurds somehow defeat them which isn't likely really.

Talk is cheap in these games, action is what talks but Russia cannot use force against Turkey is just can't unless it wants risk of a bigger conflict.

Also Ukraine? the worst thing he could have done was march on the rest of Ukraine. Most of the people in those regions vacated ages ago, this situation isn't Georgia they are two different cases so dont treat it like that.

Russia does what it can, it has no magic power like people think it does. Honestly in my eyes Putin handled ukraine correctly, In syria he is doing what he can he isn't a miracle worker.

I see we have another member that has reading comprehension issues.

You do know that Russia can go to the UNSC and demand the US to stop and the Turks?  Before committing anything, they can use threats and those do work quite well.  Simply put, Russia hasn't even attempted to the UN.  I am more aware of Ukraine than you are buddy, and I do know so by family who still live there, so please, spare me your bullshit.  Thank you.  As I said, I want them to openly support Novorussia as I know that rest of Ukraine is a lost cause, and I pointed this out multitude of times on the other section of the forums.  If they are sending weapons to Novorussia, then I will applaud them, and I hope they are.  As it stands, there isn't any tangible evidence of such.

The United Nations...are you serious?. The UN is useless and any security measures can easily be blocked by the states, The UN would do shit but bitch and moan, have they forced Isreal to hand back the Golan Heights yet? even though they said its Syrian territory.

I said most not all yes some people live there and I feel for them and wish them the best. This is more personal to you is the thing here, I don't deal in personal emotions buddy only whats the case.

Also they have been given small arms, what do you mean weapons exactly, tanks or something? I know friend in the intel business who have images of them with PKP's and modern Russian small arms. PKP's never got given to Ukraine has you should know. These weapons came from Russia, There is other things but thats enough.

I like how this playing out gents.

Popcorn intensifies

I'm shocked no one has brought this up: Where is the West to condemn Turkey for invading a second country within a year's time, and violating their border integrity lol?!?! I mean weren't they for the last 2 years lecturing Russia about violating sovereignty and border integrity lol?

magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm shocked no one has brought this up: Where is the West to condemn Turkey for invading a second country within a year's time, and violating their border integrity lol?!?! I mean weren't they for the last 2 years lecturing Russia about violating sovereignty and border integrity lol?

... U Wot M8?

It's funny but it doesn't work like that. Just take a bowl of pop-corn and relax. Also Leo2A4's are being sent to replace the M60A3's.
I hope KMW is preparing some tissues, because there will be Zveroboi action soon. Sad, Leopars being a threatened species and all ;-).

KoTeMoRe wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm shocked no one has brought this up: Where is the West to condemn Turkey for invading a second country within a year's time, and violating their border integrity lol?!?! I mean weren't they for the last 2 years lecturing Russia about violating sovereignty and border integrity lol?

... U Wot M8?

It's funny but it doesn't work like that. Just take a bowl of pop-corn and relax.  Also Leo2A4's are being sent to replace the M60A3's.
I hope KMW is preparing some tissues, because there will be Zveroboi action soon. Sad, Leopars being a threatened species and all ;-).

Time for the Leopard 2A4 to get more battle proven then versus Taliban in Afghanistan. YPG got various fun ATGMs including BGM-71 TOW, this will be most interesting if not amusing to watch in the coming days/weeks for sure.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm shocked no one has brought this up: Where is the West to condemn Turkey for invading a second country within a year's time, and violating their border integrity lol?!?! I mean weren't they for the last 2 years lecturing Russia about violating sovereignty and border integrity lol?

... U Wot M8?

It's funny but it doesn't work like that. Just take a bowl of pop-corn and relax.  Also Leo2A4's are being sent to replace the M60A3's.
I hope KMW is preparing some tissues, because there will be Zveroboi action soon. Sad, Leopars being a threatened species and all ;-).

O.K., I have a question. You think VVP is going all 'Machiavelian', allowing the Kurds and Turks to wipe each other out leaving Russian and Syrian forces with the stronger upper hand, letting nature play it's course and weakening Atlanticism agenda in the region as a whole?

So, could turkey still bitch-out of dodge and still maintain their honor, or did they just cross the Rubicon?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm shocked no one has brought this up: Where is the West to condemn Turkey for invading a second country within a year's time, and violating their border integrity lol?!?! I mean weren't they for the last 2 years lecturing Russia about violating sovereignty and border integrity lol?

... U Wot M8?

It's funny but it doesn't work like that. Just take a bowl of pop-corn and relax.  Also Leo2A4's are being sent to replace the M60A3's.
I hope KMW is preparing some tissues, because there will be Zveroboi action soon. Sad, Leopars being a threatened species and all ;-).

O.K., I have a question. You think VVP is going all 'Machiavelian', allowing the Kurds and Turks to wipe each other out leaving Russian and Syrian forces with the stronger upper hand, letting nature play it's course and weakening Atlanticism agenda in the region as a whole?

Putin is being kind enough to let Erdogan try and create his buffer zone at the expense of the US anti-Isis capability.

This is going in two places.

The Kurds don't get help and they become a nuisance for everyone, Russia get aboard and distributes Weapons.
The Kurds do get help and the US indirectly fights Turkey (which would be a first since the Greek/Turkish war over Cyprus) and there Putin simply eats pop-corn.

Whoever agreed to this in the US is fucking crazy, but we don't care, we get entertained.

Zivo wrote:So, could turkey still bitch-out of dodge and still maintain their honor, or did they just cross the Rubicon?

I think worse is going to happen, if the whole Turkish adventure gets sour, we could see everyone having a turkey shoot, Kurds, ISIS, Syrians (Russians). I mean VAE Victis. like every time a party has been weakened in this war, every one else has tried to fuck it up for good.

magnumcromagnon wrote:..........

O.K., I have a question. You think VVP is going all 'Machiavelian', allowing the Kurds and Turks to wipe each other out leaving Russian and Syrian forces with the stronger upper hand, letting nature play it's course and weakening Atlanticism agenda in the region as a whole?

I don't think that there was any grand masterplan to get Turks and Kurds to go all pansexual on each other in the north but since the whole thing just fell into their lap Ruskies just decided to crack open the popcorn and enjoy the show.

Why look into gifted horse's teeth?

As for Kurds I was pretty indifferent towards them but the moment first Kurdish shell fell on Castello Road they went straight to my shit-list.

PapaDragon wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:..........

O.K., I have a question. You think VVP is going all 'Machiavelian', allowing the Kurds and Turks to wipe each other out leaving Russian and Syrian forces with the stronger upper hand, letting nature play it's course and weakening Atlanticism agenda in the region as a whole?

I don't think that there was any grand masterplan to get Turks and Kurds to go all pansexual on each other in the north but since the whole thing just fell into their lap Ruskies just decided to crack open the popcorn and enjoy the show.

Why look into gifted horse's teeth?

As for Kurds I was pretty indifferent towards them but the moment first Kurdish shell fell on Castello Road they went straight to my shit-list.

Yeah Kurds vs Turks is the gift that keeps giving, so yeah, Pop corn for everyone.

sepheronx wrote:Was Turkey's plan to fight them in Syria, like Russia's is (fighting terrorists), only to know this will kick them in the teeth cause of the kurds both within the country and outside?  Tried to copy Russia...  Well, let us see how this pans out.

Wonder what the Iraqi kurds are thinking?

Turkey's plan was a two year war, Assad on a pike and beardies on a trike.

... We all know why you never let a Turk plan things, even Turks didn't let Turks plan things.
Basically this is what happens when you plan like an ass.

Iraqi Kurds? Shit PMU is soon going to fuck us up.

US policy in middle east and Syria is not crazy.. is actually very predictable.
Americans simply will support   ANY opposition to their enemies ,and Any
faction they believe they can convince to use to fight their enemies. US enemies
are Russia,Syria and IRAN. But also Hezbolah. So any faction ,they think can be
very useful against them ,that they think can buy their help..will be supported.

At the same time US will support any opposition to their allies too.. to keep a card
to play against them too. just in case they seek to distance from US interest.

So American foreign policy is to backup the enemies of its enemies and the enemies of its allies too.  And will use this opposition regardless if they are Nazis,Alqaeda or ISIS. the more radical they are the better because more idiots they are..and more easier to control..

US policy can be described better with 3 words.. Control ,Control and more Control.
They want to control the entire world,so they will control its people and its governments.
and its opposition too.
Americans will support even Anything or Anyone no matter how losers or evil they are ,that could allow them to get rid of their enemies or to blackmail any ally that is not loyal enough.
So even Independent parties could be infiltrated by traitors.

This is why you have in Syria americans supporting as many factions as possibly they can.
Alqaeda is supported by NATO to fight Assad..but also keep ISIS in check. and ISIS also supported to fight Assad and keep Alqaeda in Check. Turkey backed by NATO to fight Assad and Russia. and Kurds backed by NATO to keep in check Turkey. simple policy.Americans policy is simply, they marry and loyal to no one. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. and the enemy of my allies too.

Not even Israel is immune to this , where US backup Palestinians..and doesn't allow Israel to invade Lebanon to fully wipe Hezbolah. and US also oppose Israeli settlements. It cannot allow Israel to become too powerful. In Afganistan.. US backup the "moderates Talibans" to fight Talibans. and so on.  Americans also backup Gullen (erdogan biggest enemy) with full protection in America, they even creating an army there of Turkey radicals ,to replace and take control of Turkey. And this is done in case Erdogan no longer serve the interest of US and NATO. Since IRAN is not a real Secular nation.. ie.. Muslins cannot convert to Christianity and the ones who does it is death sentece. Then Americans support real secular parties to get rid of their Ayatolah and islamic government. but also support other more radical parties. In Ukraine Americans backup Poroshenko..but also Backup its enemies too ,the bandera nazis ,who want to get rid of him. Simply Americans will play and dupe anyone , they have no friends at all , only tools they use. In CAnada.. American Government have to be backing more than one political party left and right.  In Europe Germany.. Merkel is backed ,but also pro Right wing parties too , and the pro muslins parties too. Any faction that could  help US to FULLY COntrol that nation will be backed. And nations who distance from US policy will experience violence ,and nation who fully support US policy will experience peace.  COntrol is the name of the game ,and they will backup
any side ,no matter who they are ,that could allow them to blackmail and keep under tight control any country.

This is why people do not understand how well organized, how Deceptive ,how much
manipulating can be the US Gov policy in the world. The violence they provoke by giving weapons to many sides is working as intended.

What is not working well however is that Russia after invading Syria with Assad support ,manage to handle it. Reversing NATO backed terrorist gains and with minimal support and low casualties.

Vann7 wrote:
US policy in middle east and Syria is not crazy.. is actually very predictable.
Americans simply will support   ANY opposition to their enemies ,and Any
faction they believe they can convince to use to fight their enemies. US enemies
are Russia,Syria and IRAN. But also Hezbolah. So any faction ,they think can be
very useful against them ,that they think can buy their help..will be supported.

Yeah, only there is not a single shot fired against their ennemies here.

At the same time US will support any opposition to their allies too.. to keep a card
to play against them too. just in case they seek to distance from US interest.

That's the definition of insanity. Paranoïa is a form of mental disorder that leads to a severe alteration of cognitive values. basically Paranoïa is what makes you kill yourself.

So American foreign policy is to backup the enemies of its enemies and the enemies of its allies too.  And will use this opposition regardless if they are Nazis,Alqaeda or ISIS. the more radical they are the better. the name of the game is Control. Americans will support even Anything or Anyone no matter how losers or evil they are ,that could allow them to get rid of their enemies
or to blackmail any ally that is not loyal enough.

That's you being off your meds. US policy is restrained by the state of the region. It's fucked up, so the US has to play by those rules. People are crazy in the Near East. That's a fact.

This is why you have in Syria americans supporting as many factions as possibly they can.
Alqaeda is supported by NATO to keep ISIS in check. and ISIS also supported to keep Alqaeda
in Check. Turkey backed by NATO to fight Syria and Russia. and Kurds backed by NATO to keep in check Turkey. simple policy.Americans policy is simply, they marry and loyal to no one.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. and the enemy of my allies too.

This has nothing to do with that. In Syria it's a simple inter-service war. Two departements and 12 agencies are fighting over their own definition of Syria without Assad (Russia/Iran). This means only one thing: Chaos.

Not even Israel is immune to this , where US backup Palestinians..and doesn't allow Israel to invade Lebanon to wipe Hezbolah.  In Afganistan.. US backup the "moderates Talibans" to fight Talibans. and so on.  Americans also backup Gullen with full protection in America, they even creating an army there of Turkey radicals ,to replace and take control of Turkey. And this is done in case Erdogan no longer serve the interest of US and NATO. In Ukraine Americans backup Poroshenko..but also Backup its enemies too ,the bandera nazis ,who want to get rid of him. Simply Americans will play and dupe anyone , they have no friends at all , only tools they use. In CAnada.. American Government have to be backing more than one political party left and right.  In Europe Germany.. Merkel is backed ,but also pro Right win parties too , and the pro muslins parties too.  that will help US to FULLY COntrol the violence and the peace in any nation. And nations who distance from US policy will experience violence ,and nation who fully support US policy will experience peace.  COntrol is the name of the game ,and they will backup

It's not the US that stops Big IZ from invading, it's a 18 year long occupation that does. Simply put, Israel doesn't have the guts to endure the kind of shitty sammich it took last time.
Big Iz BTDT, doesn't work.

sepheronx wrote:Maybe.  But then again, who knows.  Maybe YPG are US proxies and will do whatever they say.  Dunno if the rest of the kurds will follow.

I don't think the YPG are exactly US proxies. That video proves they didn't listen to Biden and that Kurdish fighters are west of the the Euphrates, and much more -- destroying Turkish tanks. I don't really understand the PKK-YPG relationship myself (though I do know experienced PKK fighters are commanders in the YPG), but it seems to be quite close and the PKK has no love for the US. Kurds are pretty good at hoodwinking people (Barzani is a classic example), but their motivation is always selfish.

Also something new here, lately we have seen a lot of drone footage purporting to show SAA people dead on trenches...however, this video tends to show that not every one on those trenches was SAA. Clearly this is a Beardie assault going very wrong and with corpses being strewn just like in the most recent drone over watches.

So, Incirlik... It'll be interesting to see if the Turks allow the US and NATO to use their airbase to support the guys who just blew up Turkey's tanks and killed their soldiers.

Maybe this was Erdogan's plan for a Turkexit, or perhaps a way to protect ISIS.

KoTeMoRe wrote:
That's you being off your meds. US policy is restrained by the state of the region. It's fucked up, so the US has to play by those rules. People are crazy in the Near East. That's a fact..

Muslins are crazy.. but that does not means they cannot be duped. and controlled.
What i told is very well documented ,by American Historians proffessors of University
of American policy. American Policy is very well organized. They are not idiots. They are not
fulls. The most Powerful nation in the world , with the most powerful economy was not achieved
that by "luck". But by being very well organized criminal Organization.

American Government will support more than one Political party , left ,center and right.
to increase their possibilities of controlling a nation. and will support the opposition with
money. through NGOs.. of any Government..whether is Enemy or Ally. This is to always have
a card to play in case there is a need to overthrow any government. Simple policy.
Is called controlled Chaos. Policy.  They support Chaos..but only the one they can control.

It not always works the way they wanted. Buts thats their policy. To Bribe ..and if accepted the bribe backup any faction of party. the more the better. so that they can manipulate the violence
in any country , or provoke a civil war if there is a need for it.  In Syria and Venezuela in both , NED =National Endowment for Democracy.. a US NGO financed by Congress. Who report to the CIA , lead the revolution against Assad and Chavez. They recruited peaceful people to do a real peaceful legitimate protest for democracy..  But... at the same time. the NED coordinated with the CIA backed Islamic Extremist , and armed them.. to shoot at the very same peaceful they backed. So later Civilians blame Assad for their people being killed. it was a trap. Where first
the US embassy organize a peaceful protest..but at the same time hire bandits and criminals with weapons to fire at Both Sides.. to the protesters and to the police too. That way they provoke a civil war.  Didn't i told you the US government are Masters of Deception? and evil too.


THis deceptive tactics are used in the so called in the media too..
Vice News, Young Turks , Democracy Now.. The Guardian , Reuters,AP ,fake Independent media
that is controlled one way or the other to pass Bullshit as facts.. in more undercover ways.
same with fake whistleblowers.. like SNowden and panama papers.. You simply fill a story with a a lot of facts that people can believe and later infiltrate it with monumental lies too.

This is not saying they do all perfect. things not always work as they intended. in Syria they having a hard time controlling the factions they backup. Since Alqaeda began to fight FSA and ISIS at one time..and Vice versa.. and they began to complain about some factions getting the best weapons . ISIS began to fight Kurds at one point Turkey request.. forcing americans to fight those for a small time ,and now Turkey fighting kurds which Americans backup.. instead of Assad. Russia cease of fires have helped to divide many terrorist factions that americans controlled ,and have been able to keep Kurds and Syria away from fighting for most of Syrian war.

this video will teach you more about US policy of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend policy.. and the enemy of my friends too."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhNQ7y0v44

Controlling as many factions as possible is their game. In US , Black Lives matters are fake black opposition ,paid by Soros. to divide the black opposition in America.

Zivo wrote:So, Incirlik... It'll be interesting to see if the Turks allow the US and NATO to use their airbase to support the guys who just blew up Turkey's tanks and killed their soldiers.

Maybe this was Erdogan's plan for a Turkexit.

Incirlik isn't needed for ISIS work, it was done so Turkey could not feel offended. As it is the US operates from CV and Al Dhafra or straight out Qatar.

Vann7 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
That's you being off your meds. US policy is restrained by the state of the region. It's fucked up, so the US has to play by those rules. People are crazy in the Near East. That's a fact..

Muslins are crazy.. but that does not means they cannot be duped. and controlled.
What i told is very well documented ,by American Historians proffessors of University
of American policy. American Policy is very well organized. They are not idiots. They are not
fulls. The most Powerful nation in the world , with the most powerful economy was not achieved
that by "luck". But by being very well organized criminal Organization.

American Government will support more than one Political party , left ,center and right.
to increase their possibilities of controlling a nation. and will support the opposition with
money. through NGOs.. of any Government..whether is Enemy or Ally. This is to always have
a card to play in case there is a need to overthrow any government. Simple policy.
Is called controlled Chaos. Policy.  They support Chaos..but only the one they can control.

It not always works the way they wanted. Buts thats their policy. To Bribe ..and if accepted the bribe backup any faction of party. the more the better. so that they can manipulate the violence
in any country , or provoke a civil war if there is a need for it.  In Syria and Venezuela in both , NED =National Endowment for Democracy.. a US NGO financed by Congress. Who report to the CIA , lead the revolution against Assad and Chavez. They recruited peaceful people to do a real peaceful legitimate protest for democracy..  But... at the same time. the NED coordinated with the CIA backed Islamic Extremist , and armed them.. to shoot at the very same peaceful they backed. So later Civilians blame Assad for their people being killed. it was a trap. Where first
the US embassy organize a peaceful protest..but at the same time hire bandits and criminals with weapons to fire at Both Sides.. to the protesters and to the police too. That way they provoke a civil war.  Didn't i told you the US government are Masters of Deception? and evil too.

This is not saying they do all perfect. things not always work as they intended. in Syria they having a hard time controlling the factions they backup. Since Alqaeda began to fight FSA and ISIS at one time..and Vice versa.. and they began to complain about some factions getting the best weapons . ISIS began to fight Kurds at one point Turkey request.. forcing americans to fight those for a small time ,and now Kurds fighting Turkey.. instead of Assad. Russia cease of fires have helped to divide many terrorist factions that americans controlled ,and have been able to keep Kurds and Syria away from fighting for most of Syrian war.

this video will teach you more about US policy of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend policy.. and the enemy of my friends too."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhNQ7y0v44

Controlling as many factions as possible is their game. In US , Black Lives matters are fake black opposition ,paid by Soros. to divide the black opposition in America.

It is so very well organized that their efforts to have a decent sock puppet in the region has failed 4 times over (including the latest fiasco with the kurds?). It is so organized that they have managed to lose all credible alternative to JaN and Isis. It's so fucking well organized that they are losing Iraq; now that Isis is being eradicated there.

It's simple, the US plans to shape the Middle and Near east have failed in the last 25 years. That's not something debatable. They. Have. Failed. Everything they've touched in the region has turned to shit. And unlike the old days (Iran, Egypt, Turkey) the new guys they've tried to hire are all a fiasco. The problem with the US is the long term plan. They can't win in the long term because they do not understand what a International relationship is. The US Foreign Policy is a mess and it will be so as long as the US will be the N°1 spender in military matters. When all you have is a hammer, all problems become nails.

Zivo wrote:So, Incirlik... It'll be interesting to see if the Turks allow the US and NATO to use their airbase to support the guys who just blew up Turkey's tanks and killed their soldiers.

.........

Daym, totally forgot about that.

This has potential for some sitcom level awkwardness.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Everything they've touched in the region has turned to shit.

Because that was the intention... To turn the whole region in a war zone.
This is good for arm sales. American senators receive profits for weapons sales
done to the US government by the defense industry.

Is working as intended.  IRAQ that seek closer relations
with IRAN And Russia , is not allowed to have peace. by US,NATO ,Saudi Arabia and israel.

Syria the same. Lybia chaos will be used to create a terrorist hot spot.. and from there
later ,after Lybians radicalized by the war , hired them to over run ALgeria and Egypt.
Alqaeda and ISIS are nothing more than NATO proxy armies ,to destabilize and overthrow any
government not loyal to US empire.


the Violence and Chaos as i told you is working as intended. In times of Peace ,weapons
don't sell well.  In fact All AFrica and All Asia they will like to see it ,like Syria.
that will be monumental profits for American defense industry.

If Russia allows ,Syria to fall . NATO will re-export their terror groups to Asia to keep getting closer to Russia. Ultimately ,they will love to see Russia invaded by a million of ISIS fighters.
and with NATO providing weapons to them. Alqaeda and ISIS were simply created to fight
Russia interest in the world First.. Like Syria,IRAQ and IRAN. and former soviet republics all the way to Kazakistan and after Russia economy collapse of wars.. send them to invade Russia.
This is how NATO plans to invade Russia. With ISIS.

This is Neocons plans of the expansion of their "moderate" head choppers in the world.



All Caucasus and kazakistan invaded by ISIS ,to bleed Russia military and economy for endless wars in many fronts. Remember that Alqaeda was created by CIA to fight Soviets in Afganistan.
Today ISIS is no different. Difference now is they do things more openly. but call them "moderates" and play games of Opps.. "Mistakes" a cargo of weapons by accident taken by ISIS.. etc..  Or Rebels trainned by  American .. Opps.. when ISIS attack them.. they abandon their weapons.. Who they think they are fooling?   Alqaeda and ISIS are simply Proxy fighters of NATO and their Gulf allies created to Fight Russia. Had Russia did not exist.. they will not have a need to fight Russia interest by proxy and all will be done by NATO directly.

they so arrogant , that they not even hide now their support to terrorism..



There you have ISIS,FSA,and Alnusra together. and not just anyone but their leaders.
in a meeting with Mcain. The Pentagon controls organized terrorism in the entire middle east and africa and other zones is as simple as that. And the shit you see , the endless violence
this is working as intended.

Thanks God for ISIS.. told a zionist neocon.. because now US empire can be in the middle east
forever.. International Terrorism ,is a NATO weapon , their trojan Horse ,that helps NATO
to justify their invasions of sovereign nations.



How this is news to you .. is the question. this is old stuff.

Ok after Russian Schrodinger cat, now American Black Swan. Get help.

An old Syrian T-55 took a direct TOW hit and survived.

More on ATGM that took out Turkish M60's.

This image has surfaced following a Turkish attack on SDF area/base.



Original source: https://twitter.com/EmadOlden/status/769806668146307072

Notice tube on white technical.

Only two shapes match:

Kornet:



Konkurs (booster cap).



So indeed Russian/Soviet ATGM @work.