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Project 11711: "Ivan Gren" class
Isos- Posts : 11599
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hoom- Posts : 2352
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Supposedly its expected to start trials mid-April https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C3/
The pic is from April so trials mid-April seems doubtful to me, they need to finish it off, re-paint & probably a drydocking first.
Navy is planning on ordering another 2, possibly the modernised version https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C57/
The pic is from April so trials mid-April seems doubtful to me, they need to finish it off, re-paint & probably a drydocking first.
Navy is planning on ordering another 2, possibly the modernised version https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C57/
Isos- Posts : 11599
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It seems heavier on the front than on the back.
Maybe they can test navigation near the port as everything seems to be installed to check engines, flotability ...
Maybe they can test navigation near the port as everything seems to be installed to check engines, flotability ...
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The weapons and most antennas are on-board. Reserve the fresh paint for after the trials. 
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Shoigu: two frigates and two large landing ships for the Russian Navy will be laid on April 23
MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
"On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6311143
MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
"On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6311143
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dino00 wrote:Shoigu: two frigates and two large landing ships for the Russian Navy will be laid on April 23
MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
"On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6311143
that means that there is intention to continue with this project. Nice its time for old alligators to be replaced finally
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George1 wrote:dino00 wrote:Shoigu: two frigates and two large landing ships for the Russian Navy will be laid on April 23
MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
"On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6311143
that means that there is intention to continue with this project. Nice its time for old alligators to be replaced finally
In the previous page you can see how Eehnie also predicted the new order of large amphibious ships
Now I read Eehnie in mundo.sputniknews.com and sputniknews.com.
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This is what two new ships will look like. 8000 tons.
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More compact superstructure. Greater flight deck. Maybe two helis in the hangar + two on the deck.
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YESSSS!!!
This is smartest thing they could have done by far.
They converted old school landing ships into proper Rotterdam-style LPD thus capitalizing on time and money already invested in them and saving themselves the hassle of building Priboi LPD.
They can now focus on developing Avalanche LHD and have decent LPD already in production, perfect!
This is smartest thing they could have done by far.
They converted old school landing ships into proper Rotterdam-style LPD thus capitalizing on time and money already invested in them and saving themselves the hassle of building Priboi LPD.
They can now focus on developing Avalanche LHD and have decent LPD already in production, perfect!
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ult wrote:This is what two new ships will look like. 8000 tons.
Highly unlikely, the Ivan Gren has a displacement of 6600T, so this ship based on the Gren should be closer to 6KT, unless there's been some serious redesign.
PapaDragon wrote:YESSSS!!!
This is smartest thing they could have done by far.
They converted old school landing ships into proper Rotterdam-style LPD thus capitalizing on time and money already invested in them and saving themselves the hassle of building Priboi LPD.
They can now focus on developing Avalanche LHD and have decent LPD already in production, perfect!
Well the Priboy, was meant to handle more than double the Gren's weight, but this is a definite improvement over the Gren nonetheless.
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PapaDragon wrote:YESSSS!!!
This is smartest thing they could have done by far.
They converted old school landing ships into proper Rotterdam-style LPD thus capitalizing on time and money already invested in them and saving themselves the hassle of building Priboi LPD.
They can now focus on developing Avalanche LHD and have decent LPD already in production, perfect!
Is she LPD? I am not sure that this class is "dock" ship? Can she launch LCU/LCM ? It is more likely it is just LS(T).
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Well thats a lot more rational looking, still got the IG look in the hull.
I'd say there's a bit of a hull stretch.
IG has 2* Ka-29 already, this is getting Ka-52K (which apparently means bigger hangar).
8Kton is being quoted as officially stated at the event.Highly unlikely, the Ivan Gren has a displacement of 6600T, so this ship based on the Gren should be closer to 6KT, unless there's been some serious redesign.
I'd say there's a bit of a hull stretch.
IG has 2* Ka-29 already, this is getting Ka-52K (which apparently means bigger hangar).
AlfaT8- Posts : 2488
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hoom wrote:Well thats a lot more rational looking, still got the IG look in the hull.
8Kton is being quoted as officially stated at the event.Highly unlikely, the Ivan Gren has a displacement of 6600T, so this ship based on the Gren should be closer to 6KT, unless there's been some serious redesign.
I'd say there's a bit of a hull stretch.
IG has 2* Ka-29 already, this is getting Ka-52K (which apparently means bigger hangar).
Well if so, then let's hope this is the only redesign and hope that things don't go Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs like last time's numerous redesign sessions.
Fingers crossed.
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AlfaT8 wrote:ult wrote:This is what two new ships will look like. 8000 tons.
Highly unlikely, the Ivan Gren has a displacement of 6600T, so this ship based on the Gren should be closer to 6KT, unless there's been some serious redesign.
"Президент Объединенной судостроительной корпорации Алексей Рахманов заявил журналисту Mil.Press FlotProm, что размерения кораблей увеличились, их водоизмещение возрастет до 7–8 тысяч тонн."
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marat wrote:PapaDragon wrote:YESSSS!!!
This is smartest thing they could have done by far.
They converted old school landing ships into proper Rotterdam-style LPD thus capitalizing on time and money already invested in them and saving themselves the hassle of building Priboi LPD.
They can now focus on developing Avalanche LHD and have decent LPD already in production, perfect!
Is she LPD? I am not sure that this class is "dock" ship? Can she launch LCU/LCM ? It is more likely it is just LS(T).
It could use ACV´s.
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More compact superstructure. Greater flight deck. Maybe two helis in the hangar + two on the deck.
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Hole wrote:More compact superstructure. Greater flight deck. Maybe two helis in the hangar + two on the deck.
these 2 ships will probably receive a different designation. We talk about a different ship
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On the sign: Project 11711. Ships 303 + 304.
Hard to justify after this modifications.
Hard to justify after this modifications.
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That doesn't make it LPDHole wrote:
It could use ACV´s.
Rodion_Romanovic
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marat wrote:That doesn't make it LPDHole wrote:
It could use ACV´s.
Does it have a well dock?
If it has a well dock and an hangar for the helicopters, according to the US Navy classification, it is a LPD.
From wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_landing_ship wrote:
A ship with a well deck (docking well) can transfer cargo to landing craft in rougher seas than a ship that has to use cranes or a stern ramp.[2] The US Navy hull classification symbol for a ship with a well deck depends on its facilities for aircraft – a (modern) LSD has a helicopter deck, a LPD also has a hangar, and a LHD or LHA has a full-length flight deck.[2]
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From Bmpd article
The ships were named after military leaders who led amphibious operations in the Pacific during the war with Japan in 1945, from which it can be concluded that both new BDK are destined for the Pacific Fleet.
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that is quite important. The Pacific Fleet needs new vessels and their Ropuchka and Alligator LST are not exactly new.George1 wrote:From Bmpd article
The ships were named after military leaders who led amphibious operations in the Pacific during the war with Japan in 1945, from which it can be concluded that both new BDK are destined for the Pacific Fleet.
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:marat wrote:That doesn't make it LPDHole wrote:
It could use ACV´s.
Does it have a well dock?
If it has a well dock and an hangar for the helicopters, according to the US Navy classification, it is a LPD.
From wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_landing_ship wrote:
A ship with a well deck (docking well) can transfer cargo to landing craft in rougher seas than a ship that has to use cranes or a stern ramp.[2] The US Navy hull classification symbol for a ship with a well deck depends on its facilities for aircraft – a (modern) LSD has a helicopter deck, a LPD also has a hangar, and a LHD or LHA has a full-length flight deck.[2]
That is my point I do not think it have well dock so it isn't LPD.
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PapaDragon wrote:YESSSS!!!
This is smartest thing they could have done by far.
They converted old school landing ships into proper Rotterdam-style LPD thus capitalizing on time and money already invested in them and saving themselves the hassle of building Priboi LPD.
They can now focus on developing Avalanche LHD and have decent LPD already in production, perfect!
Looks like Russians stick to tradition. The difference between Project 11711 and "improved" 11711 seems to be like: Tu-22 and Tu-22m. You add just m et voila !
BTW Rakhmanov was mentioning that Ivan Gren project can be modified till 14,000 tons in next step
. Well this is coincidentally fucking close to Lavina LHD...