Syrian Civil War: News #10

These are the dead Turks.



One Lieutenant and two Staff Sergeants. Given their ranks, they seem to have killed some sort of adviser cluster. Also Turkey seems to be provided heavy kit to these FSA folks.

Joseph Dempsey ‏@JosephHDempsey  Nov 23
Collated imagery suggests #Turkey origin ACV-15 APCs recently supplied to multiple #Aleppo Free #Syria Army groups

Airman wrote:Our soldiers were martyred because They died during the mission. Turkey isn't occupying Syria. Turkey doesn't demand a piece of land from Syria. Turkish Forces didn't kill a single Syrian soldier from the beginning of this operation. Before this operation, Daesh and YPG bombed Turkish Cities like Hatay, Kilis, Gaziantep and Şanlıurfa. They were bombing our border gates and our cities. They can't do that anymore because of Operation Euphrates Shield. It looks like ''The neighbor on the upper floor is making noise, but you aren't doing anything.'' Actually, you have to do something. We are cleaning up terrorist organizations in Syria that are causing us trouble. We have the right to do this. Every country has the right to do this. The United Nations Charters gives us this right.

Every country in Syria has an agenda. Russia has an agenda. USA has an agenda. Iran has an agenda and this is our agenda. If you don't like it, there's nothing I can do. There are so many things happen in the world that I don't like it.

BS - Turkey should've closed the border years ago if it really wanted to help. You have a fuckwit of leader - you will get what you deserve. I hope the Russians and the SAA flog your forces.

medo wrote:

How many last hospitals in Aleppo were destroyed by Russian bombs?

Saving Private Hospital.

Send in Obombacare.

Turkish soldiers have no right to be on Syrian soil.

Turkish soldiers have no right to be on Syrian soil.

They also get no choice to be there.

I don't think the Turkish forces should be anywhere but in turkey, but just like israel the occupied territories are occupied and the solution is more about what happens now rather than what has happened before.

Turkey is not doing anything that its mentor the US doesn't do on a regular basis.

If we ignore this and get over it and just look at the future... what are the plans.

If Turkey wants a permanent presence in Syria and Iraq then at some point Syria with Russian backing and possibly Iraq with US backing will be facing off against Turkey... who will likely get US backing against Syria and Russia but not so likely against US Iraq.

If Turkey wants the terrorists dead and stability in Syria and Iraq and governments if not friendly at least not hostile and supporting their enemies directly then they need to get together with Russia and Syria and Iraq and Iran and work out agreements and plans and procedures to avoid what has happened.

I don't think Putin did this on purpose... I think if Putin wanted revenge then he would have done it at the time... which might have made him feel better but would have lead to more hostility and no chance for compromise and cooperation like there is now.

The Anti Assad forces have no future on their own... there are too many factions and no experience in actually running a country.

Assad offers stability and future elections offer the potential for transition from stability to stability and a different government.

Once Turkey and the US work that out for themselves and everyone starts destroying the real enemies... ie Daesh and anyone who fights on their side then the closer things are to a lasting peace and the less scope for nutters to be nutters on all sides.

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

They are Turkish and they are KIA so basically they are dead. What is it about stating simple facts that is so disrespectful ?

BTW :
I see on social media almost daily pictures of women killed by Turkish forces in action, and they usually are a lot more disrespectful in their content.  Get a sense of reality please, thank you.

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

if they were actually defending their country, then OK. But since they are aiding terrorists and outright invading a sovereign nation, then you can forget about that.

0nillie0 wrote:

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

They are Turkish and they are KIA so basically they are dead. What is it about stating simple facts that is so disrespectful ?

BTW :
I see on social media almost daily pictures of women killed by Turkish forces in action, and they usually are a lot more disrespectful in their content.  Get a sense of reality please, thank you.

Generally, forums have rules, unlike social media. Saying "Dead Turks" is unrespectful, don't try to sugar top it.

You mean female PKK terrorists.

miketheterrible wrote:

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

if they were actually defending their country, then OK. But since they are aiding terrorists and outright invading a sovereign nation, then you can forget about that.

Yes, they are defending their country. Do you know how many times Turkish cities get hit by ISIS rockets, and how many Turkish citizens died because of it ? We need to create a buffer zone and push ISIS at least 40 km away from our border in order to not get targeted.

Guys, why majority of the members in this forum have a hostile stance against Turkey and Turks ?

Come on, guys. Don't pick on the easy target, Turkey is suffering the fallout of Syrian "adventure". Let us never lose the grand scale out of sight, Turkey is merely an intermediary, the funding and equipment, intelligence and political backing of "Syrian spring" is not Turkish dominantly.

They are a powerful, developing nation with an important geopolitical position, but they have internal and external challenges to face.

I have never bought into, and still don't buy into the Erdogan Islamist meme - I am aware of his early positions, successes and whose backing he enjoys, as well as the economic progress he achieved; the Turks have shown to be pragmatic and shrewd throughout history, and in my opinion this support for FSA/Jihadis is an opportunistic use of the situation to reap maximum benefits for Turkey, or at least not to be on the "wrong" side allies-wise.

Kurds have a potential to be a cancerous proxy in both Syria and Iraq, and indeed the Iraqi Kurds' behaviour in the IS rise was more than questionable, not to mention the smuggling routes.

Likewise, let us not deride Turkey while praising or ignoring far greater transgressions of international law or support of questionable actors by either the West (ex-Yu, KLA, Georgia, Ukraine, Libya...) or Russian Federation (Crimea+Donbass events).

These are difficult subjects to discuss, especially to do so in a meaningful and unemotional way, but let us not insult or disrespect the Turkish members or their servicemen just out of spite. There is no black and white, or truth singularity.

Sinan wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

if they were actually defending their country, then OK. But since they are aiding terrorists and outright invading a sovereign nation, then you can forget about that.

Yes, they are defending their country. Do you know how many times Turkish cities get hit by ISIS rockets, and how many Turkish citizens died because of it ? We need to create a buffer zone and push ISIS at least 40 km away from our border in order to not get targeted.

Guys, why majority of the members in this forum have a hostile stance against Turkey and Turks ?

Clearly you seem not to have noticed the hint given by the name of this forum.

Many Russians and members around here have not and probably will not, forget your cowardly downing of the Su-24, the shooting up of its CAS team and the total lack of bringing anyone to book for it. Meaning it had to have been sanctioned at the highest levels in you leadership.

And don't give us the rubbish about Turkey and ISIS being enemies after the relationship they have had for the last few years. Turkey might have turned on them now, or at least Turkish soldiers are fighting ISIS soldiers but at a leadership level? Who knows.
If you want what you clearly do perhaps you are in the wrong place.

JohninMK wrote:
Many Russians and members around here have not and probably will not, forget your cowardly downing of the Su-24, the shooting up of its CAS team and the total lack of bringing anyone to book for it. Meaning it had to have been sanctioned at the highest levels in you leadership.

And don't give us the rubbish about Turkey and ISIS being enemies after the relationship they have had for the last few years. Turkey might have turned on them now, or at least Turkish soldiers are fighting ISIS soldiers but at a leadership level? Who knows.
If you want what you clearly do perhaps you are in the wrong place.

Regardless of how you look into that incident. Nor me neither any of the Turkish citizen is responsible for those incidents that you describe.

Let's say, you are angry about the Turkish leadership. What are you guys gonna achieve by disrespecting, insulting Turks in general ?

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

And how was I disrespectful? These are the dead Turks, it's all over twitter. And the cause for which they died is at best questionable.

Sinan wrote:Generally, forums have rules, unlike social media. Saying "Dead Turks" is unrespectful, don't try to sugar top it.

Oh I see, you don't know what you're talking about. Well then, sharpen your English skills and get back to us. The whole "martyr" pitch is a non-starter, given Turkey's national policy of starting and sustaining this war. Much like the Ukropian "...heroyam slava" lingo.

Sinan wrote:Let's say, you are angry about the Turkish leadership. What are you guys gonna achieve by disrespecting, insulting Turks in general ?

Looks like your triggering threshold is well below some spoiled, SJW, hipster brat.
Nobody disrespected the dead Turks (unlike what some fellow Turks did to the body of the dead Russian pilot, on-camera), move on.

GarryB wrote:

Turkish soldiers have no right to be on Syrian soil.

They also get no choice to be there.

I get no joy out of Turkish soldiers dying. But when they are illegally invading a neighboring country and allowing jihadist terrorists to take over Syrian territory, this result shouldn't come as a surprise. If their aim to was to create a buffer a few km deep, fine, but they continue to advance. They're now nearly 20km into Syrian territory. Any argument they use for justification of this action is broken by the fact that they chose to side with jihadists rather than partnering with the Syrian government to achieve the same aims.

Unconfirmed reports of another SyAAF air raid on EuphratesShield forces near al-Bab, Aleppo

Breaking: Assad's warplanes attack Turkish military camp in Azraq village. Injuries reported. Turkish tank on fire. #Syria

calm wrote:

Unconfirmed reports of another SyAAF air raid on EuphratesShield forces near al-Bab, Aleppo

Breaking: Assad's warplanes attack Turkish military camp in Azraq village. Injuries reported. Turkish tank on fire. #Syria

Well, that's what you get when dancing with the devil since 2011. Assad has nothing to loose at this stage, he's crashing and trashing their party.
I'll repeat, Turkey better get out now before it's too late.

calm wrote:

Unconfirmed reports of another SyAAF air raid on EuphratesShield forces near al-Bab, Aleppo

Breaking: Assad's warplanes attack Turkish military camp in Azraq village. Injuries reported. Turkish tank on fire. #Syria

They have hit them once, what is the point of doing it again? The Turks should be working with the Syrian Army to contain the Kurds.



https://southfront.org/syrian-warplanes-strike-again-turkish-military-in-northern-syria-report/

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

They are military personnel with Turkish citizenship who serve in Turkish Military and they are not alive.

There is nothing disrespectful about that phrase.

If Turkish Military wants to keep it's troops alive they should keep them in agreed zones and away from jihadists who are currently on top of the kill list for all non-ISIS actors in Syria.

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

Respectful to these bastards? Hell No, these ass holes supported terrorists in both Syria and Iraq. Watching the videos of their victims are heart wrenching(a women tell's her story, all her family was  murdered and she was raped, forced to have the child of her rapist and than one day all her children were poisoned), this was done by terrorists supported by these Turkish scum. And we are supposed to be respectful to these Turkish ass holes? Turks are like Wahhabi's, they are only good if they are dead.

JohninMK wrote:DAMASCUS, SYRIA (5:45 A.M.) - A high-ranking official from the Syrian Arab Air Force (SAAYF) told Al-Masdar on Thursday night that their fighter jets did not bomb the Turkish Army in east Aleppo.

"No Syrian or Russian aircraft bombed the Turkish Army near Al-Bab on November 23rd - all reports claiming otherwise are lies," the official confirmed to Al-Masdar on Thursday.

"Turkey is planning something in east Aleppo and using this alleged attack as a ploy to escalate the situation," he added.

The Turkish regime accused the Syrian Air Force on Wednesday of carrying out an airstrike that killed 3 of their soldiers and wounded 10 others.

Prior to this alleged attack in east Aleppo, the Turkish Army shelled the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in northern Latakia, forcing them to halt their offensive against the Turkish-backed jihadists near the border.

We will know if Er dog an, is stupid enough to fall for a trap(which he probably is), if he is, than arms the arms the Kurds with anti-tank missiles, long range missiles and other heavy weaponry.

par far wrote:

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

Respectful to these bastards? Hell No, these ass holes supported terrorists in both Syria and Iraq. Watching the videos of their victims are heart wrenching(a women tell's her story, all her family was  murdered and she was raped, forced to have the child of her rapist and than one day all her children were poisoned), this was done by terrorists supported by these Turkish scum. And we are supposed to be respectful to these Turkish ass holes? Turks are like Wahhabi's, they are only good if they are dead.

That can get you banned... You're cursing at a whole people. We have a few Turkish members on the forum, and it's not cool to just bash them like that.

JohninMK wrote:DAMASCUS, SYRIA (5:45 A.M.) - A high-ranking official from the Syrian Arab Air Force (SAAYF) told Al-Masdar on Thursday night that their fighter jets did not bomb the Turkish Army in east Aleppo.

"No Syrian or Russian aircraft bombed the Turkish Army near Al-Bab on November 23rd - all reports claiming otherwise are lies," the official confirmed to Al-Masdar on Thursday.

"Turkey is planning something in east Aleppo and using this alleged attack as a ploy to escalate the situation," he added.

The Turkish regime accused the Syrian Air Force on Wednesday of carrying out an airstrike that killed 3 of their soldiers and wounded 10 others.

Prior to this alleged attack in east Aleppo, the Turkish Army shelled the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in northern Latakia, forcing them to halt their offensive against the Turkish-backed jihadists near the border.

This could be actually correct. Russian and Sirian planes bomb terrorist to support SAA in their battles and rarely they support Kurds. Considering, that near Al BAb was a conflict zone between Turks andf Kurds, there is a real possibility, that planes, which were attacking Turks were from USAF.

VladimirSahin wrote:

par far wrote:

Sinan wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:These are the dead Turks.

What about being more respectful towards the servicemen whom gave their lives for their country.

Respectful to these bastards? Hell No, these ass holes supported terrorists in both Syria and Iraq. Watching the videos of their victims are heart wrenching(a women tell's her story, all her family was  murdered and she was raped, forced to have the child of her rapist and than one day all her children were poisoned), this was done by terrorists supported by these Turkish scum. And we are supposed to be respectful to these Turkish ass holes? Turks are like Wahhabi's, they are only good if they are dead.

That can get you banned... You're cursing at a whole people. We have a few Turkish members on the forum, and it's not cool to just bash them like that.

I am just stating the facts, see videos of how the Turks, were celebrating when foreign backed terrorists were destroying Syria(at the beginning of the conflict), see videos and articles of how they were buying slaves from the terrorists and they were very happy when the SU 24 was shot down. Just the facts, I have stated.