Syrian Civil War: News #10

I need to ask something. What's the point of dropping 5/10 guided bombs on some parts of this video, it's obviously a overkill?

Compilation of unpublished airstrikes in Iraq/Syria.
6:36,6:51 and more, there are more videos like this.

I admit, on some parts there are big secondary explosions. But this i such a waste of money/bombs. If we look at the results.
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West threatens Russia with sanctions for liberating Aleppo residents


http://tass.com/world/915259

^
Idlib is next, sanctions or not.

...and their sanctions

GroundElevation in Aleppo,who controls what after latest development
https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/803398576391000068

KoTeMoRe wrote:So when looking back to predictions before Russia went in, I had basically bet on minimum 9 months of groundwork before main goals (Clear M4/5, Take Aleppo, Clear Damascus, fortify Latakia, push towards Idlib).

If you take into account the ceasefires you probably got it right +/- 3 months.

KoTeMoRe wrote:But otherwise WTF? With a rather average logistics route, small mishaps (Su/Mil35M Red on Red/T4 enigma/Raqqa) this has been going exceptionally well. And ironically it has been largely due to Assad himself. Without a firm grip on his own people, which is also due to his people accepting this statu quo, the Russian intervention would have degenerated pretty fast. And this is also due to the foreign sponsors of the "moderats" which have made a sectarian struggle out of classic overthrowing attempt.

Shukrane Amrika. We'll take it from here.

Russia played their cards right, smashed the long game and they're winning the war on the cheap (as anyone should).
Aint no need for gucci in war, period. Especially when it's "not your war".

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also because f*ck you Camel f*ckers, we'll dance and laugh and you'll all be dead and forgotten

Something wrong homie  

calm wrote:^
Idlib is next, sanctions or not.  

...and their sanctions

It's becoming boring. They need to mind their own business or put sanctions to the KSA as well.
It's like Yemen never happened

Erdo losing it, again.

Turkey entered Syria to end al-Assad’s rule: President Erdoğan
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-entered-syria-to-end-al-assads-rule-president-erdogan.aspx?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=turkey-entered-syria-to-end-al-assads-rule-president-erdogan.aspx&utm_term=post&pageID=238&nID=106709&NewsCatID=352

calm wrote:Erdo losing it, again.

Turkey entered Syria to end al-Assad’s rule: President Erdoğan
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-entered-syria-to-end-al-assads-rule-president-erdogan.aspx?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=turkey-entered-syria-to-end-al-assads-rule-president-erdogan.aspx&utm_term=post&pageID=238&nID=106709&NewsCatID=352

beat me to it.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-entered-syria-end-assads-reign-erdogan/

Guess Russia needs to cancel agreements with the Turks.

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:So when looking back to predictions before Russia went in, I had basically bet on minimum 9 months of groundwork before main goals (Clear M4/5, Take Aleppo, Clear Damascus, fortify Latakia, push towards Idlib).

If you take into account the ceasefires you probably got it right +/- 3 months.

KoTeMoRe wrote:But otherwise WTF? With a rather average logistics route, small mishaps (Su/Mil35M Red on Red/T4 enigma/Raqqa) this has been going exceptionally well. And ironically it has been largely due to Assad himself. Without a firm grip on his own people, which is also due to his people accepting this statu quo, the Russian intervention would have degenerated pretty fast. And this is also due to the foreign sponsors of the "moderats" which have made a sectarian struggle out of classic overthrowing attempt.

Shukrane Amrika. We'll take it from here.

Russia played their cards right, smashed the long game and they're winning the war on the cheap (as anyone should).
Aint no need for gucci in war, period. Especially when it's "not your war".

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also because f*ck you Camel f*ckers, we'll dance and laugh and you'll all be dead and forgotten

Something wrong homie  

Nothing wrong, just wanted to get it from the chest, have been dealing with a lot of naysayers for too long. And I know they're watching this spot. Basically since 2011 there's a gradual SHTF pendulum that was going closer and closer. And i still remember the laughters of the (moderate) Camel brigade. I was belittled during Libya, people basically took me for crazy, while it was clear cut Libya was a blind spot. Well now at least people are doing something about it.

SAA captured around 60% of Aleppo pocket and 30% of urban neighbourhoods since start of the operation to clear EAleppo.
https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/803644332829904900

I predict that the SAA will give the remaining pocket one last chance to surrender before they storm it. These guys probably realize how chanceless their situation is when they look at a "progression" map, like Peto's, considering they still have an internet connection somewhere.

KiloGolf wrote:

crod wrote:Too me, it looks like that initial 'break the siege' a few weeks back cost the bearded ones dearly. The losses have been mounting ever since. Will be getting close to breaking point in there shortly.

There's still a lot of work ahead. SAA is already very late and hasn't really secured the city at all. The supply route is vulnerable, they need to consolidate in the south, try opening a second route there (i.e. capture Abu Duhrur airbase). Also there's North and West. Anadan, Haritan, Mansoura, Khan al Asal and Al Rashidin are all towns that under FSA can make life Aleppo miserable and basically keep it as a warzone. This way many people won't exactly return, the economy won't restart. Remember Aleppo was once the financial capital of the country, and biggest city by population iirc.

As long as these conditions are there, Aleppo won't be truly under firm government control. It will be only on paper, if East falls (similar to Donetsk city). But basically the whole map above needs to be red for things to change. At the moment it's about 50%.

Probably next move, to stop shelling and secure Aleppo.

miketheterrible wrote:

calm wrote:Erdo losing it, again.

Turkey entered Syria to end al-Assad’s rule: President Erdoğan
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-entered-syria-to-end-al-assads-rule-president-erdogan.aspx?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=turkey-entered-syria-to-end-al-assads-rule-president-erdogan.aspx&utm_term=post&pageID=238&nID=106709&NewsCatID=352

beat me to it.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-entered-syria-end-assads-reign-erdogan/

Guess Russia needs to cancel agreements with the Turks.

Gawd, what a spaz.

Where are the Turkey ZOmbies now ?  They were saying how "their army was just creating a buffer zone" to "protect" from ISIS , now Erdogan admits his real intentions ,that is not ISIS at all but to fight Assad. LOL

https://www.rt.com/news/368601-erdogan-syria-oust-assad/

So my question to the Turkey visitors in the forum
what is the Syrian army supposed to do ? Just allow Erdogan to over Run Syria with their tanks and give you flowers ? lol   i bet you will be complaining and claiming how unfair is for Syrian
army to bomb to hell , all the turkey Soldiers that are in Syria intending to kill them.. lol

I want to hear now your twisted logic , that Russia now need to just stand there doing nothing
and come in the defense of Syrian army attacked by Turkey army after Erdogan breaks his own promise that he was not going to fight Syrian army and only to keep ISIS and Kurds away.. lol

Turkey needs to get the hell away from Syria , any turkey soldiers killed in Syria ,will be ERdogan fault. He have no justification to be there ,he support ISIS and all the terrorist there. And if Turkey people welcomes ERdogan illegal war on Syria then don't ask us to have any respect for your Government or your army soldiers killed , because if you invade another nation
guess what.. they are going to fight you back. And Syria will not be alone. So have fun with Russia using tactical mini nukes against your army. If Erdogan put into actions its declaration of war recently to Assad/Syria ,and start trying to reverse Russia and Syria forces gains in Aleppo for more than a year of fighting there. Turkey army will have to learn how to evade the bombs falling over their heads since Russia and Syria controls ,dominates its airspace. You cannot hold territory without protection against airforce. No war can be won without the airspace superiority.



ERdogan will go down in history like the worse disgrace for Turkey people , he is hated by everyone ,only ISIS and Alqaeda and Saudi Arabia love him. And he will be the next North Korea Kim Jon ill , because will be isolated from the entire world ,since not even Americans likes Turkey ,and under Trump it will not be easier for Erdogan than Obama ,but far worse. So Have Fun Turkey fighting Kurds ,IRAQ,IRAN,Syria,Russia,China. LOL..  And this is not only the only problems he will face , the economic isolation will be even greater . it will be a failed state. ERdogan have officially gone full retard and is going to commit suicide.  It only remains from Turkey citizens to get rid of that Brutal dictator who is cooperating with ISIS in Syria and IRAQ.

So, if Russia defends Syria against the Turkish invasion, is that considered a declaration of war against NATO?

Erk wrote:So, if Russia defends Syria against the Turkish invasion, is that considered a declaration of war against NATO?

Absolutely not.
NATO cannot be activated if Turkey start the aggression against another nation.
Aside that even in the case , of Syria there . Turkey have no chance to get anyone on his side openly to Fight Russia. No body in Europe likes Turkey and Americans neither. So regardless
of what any piece of paper says.. in NATO.. Reality will kick in.. And Erdogan will be alone in a war with Russia. no matter who start the fight ,because already ERdogan is at war with Syria and since 2011.  Now he admits he is at war. So Erdogan picked a fight with Syria since 2011 ,after he began to give weapons to terrorist to over Run Syrian cities , and Russia just came in in 2015 to the rescue. So Erdogan will be alone , because any major war that start there , will make not only Turkey military forces a legitimate target in Syria but in Turkey too.  

It all depends on situations or how retarded ERdogan behaves.

So it doesnt matter if Erdogan can enter freely in Syria now , with a big army. IRAN have a big army too and Russia too. And while Russia have a very insignificant force in Syria , in the black sea area , Russia can cause massive catastrophic Damage to Turkey military ,navy and economic zones ,trade ports ,and even Ankara is exposed to Russian airforce. So Turks better
protest their leader before he goes full retard and provoke a war with RUssia that is helping Syria to deal with their NATO backed terror groups.

So Russia with the help of IRAN do have infinite ways to make very very expensive for Turkey , any attempt to over run all Syrian government liberated zones in Aleppo. Without a working economy ,no nation can survive. Thats why Soviet Union collapse. So Erdogan attempts to split Syria , can cost him the total disintegration of turkey. with his Syrian adventures.

Russian authorities have been very quiet about this. This is something that can't be taken lightly since Russians will be targeted too. If the Russian authorities are smart, they will need to openly discuss this regards to Erdogan and warn him what can be potential outcomes.

Clowns here seem to be taking Erdogan's hissy-fits seriously for some reason...

Because it is open indication of war. Which means Russians will be caught in crossfire for defending SAA. And if the Russian authorities do want to prevent this stupidity from Erdogan to get out of control, it would be in their best interests to openly (with media involved) to explain to him what the Russian military could do to his troops.

Maps?

franco wrote:Erdogan just blowing smoke. He had a heart to heart with VP a couple of days ago and knows the score. This is for domestic and Western consumption.

Don't Turkey have a thousand troops invading Syria?
That's hardly blowing smoke.

While Erdogan is going full retard (to the disappointment of some Turco-friendship folk), Greece is openly defying NATO and EU and allowing Russian Navy refueling but also calls the Russian strikes in Syria what they are, anti-terror ops.

Dimitrios Velanis, the special advisor on Russian relations to the Greek prime minister, told Russian news agency RIA Novosti that Greece will not take any action against Russia should Russian tankers carrying fuel for the country’s air forces in Syria travel through Greek territorial waters.

“We know that Russian planes bomb terrorists, and not the Syrian people, unlike what is written in several Western news sources. To say that Russia is attacking peaceful ideals is 100 percent false. The Western media does not portray what is really happening, and similarly there is plenty of propaganda against Russia. But the Greek people understand this,”

On Friday Nov. 25 a source in the Greek Ministry of Defense reported that Russian Navy ships may be able to refuel in Greek ports.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/greece-permit-transit-russian-tankers/ri17879

Diplomacy is not always about natural gas and pipeline projects.

Erk wrote:

franco wrote:Erdogan just blowing smoke. He had a heart to heart with VP a couple of days ago and knows the score. This is for domestic and Western consumption.  

Don't Turkey have a thousand troops invading Syria?
That's hardly blowing smoke.

Well some here and probably in Russia felt they can reason with him, just because they tipped him off during the summer. You see Turkey as a political system is like that, they have a fallen empire logic even if they are.. what they are. Something that is true for both kemalists and islamists. Do not expect any mutual relations here, they are not going to be grateful for much.