Syrian Civil War: News #10

On 24 Lavrov has said that he has broken his voice trying to reach out to our "partners". He also said that US has all day being doing all it can to protect an-Nusra, and that as an-Nusra is acknowledged by Russia, UN and America itself as a terrorist organisation, then US is supporting terrorism. Seems masks start to drop quicker than a whores knickers now Washington's plans unravel.

NDF is basically what Teritorial Defence was in Yugoslavia. Reservists and working men that got weapons placed in their hands and got branded as "armed force".

With small difference that Yugoslav TO would actually work alot better than these guys...

This offensive by ISIS isn't meant to succeed it's a delaying tactic for the rats in Aleppo. Split the SAA's attention to buy them more time basically. Relieve and force manpower away from other areas.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:This offensive by ISIS isn't meant to succeed it's a delaying tactic for the rats in Aleppo. Split the SAA's attention to buy them more time basically. Relieve and force manpower away from other areas.

I agree, the rats are working together.

Gives the RuAF something to do while its a bit quiet in Aleppo for them.

Khepesh wrote:On 24 Lavrov has said that he has broken his voice trying to reach out to our "partners". He also said that US has all day being doing all it can to protect an-Nusra, and that as an-Nusra is acknowledged by Russia, UN and America itself as a terrorist organisation, then US is supporting terrorism. Seems masks start to drop quicker than a whores knickers* now Washington's plans unravel.

* Too many western movies and novels amigo!

Khepesh wrote:On 24 Lavrov has said that he has broken his voice trying to reach out to our "partners". He also said that US has all day being doing all it can to protect an-Nusra, and that as an-Nusra is acknowledged by Russia, UN and America itself as a terrorist organisation, then US is supporting terrorism. Seems masks start to drop quicker than a whores knickers now Washington's plans unravel.

The war in Syria is a war on many fronts.
Is a military war but also a diplomatic war too and is a mass hostage situation too.

So for Russia it will be good to allow Americans to save face and made it look they
are saving in civilians in change for giving terrorist a breathing space for reorganize
or scape. Because if for example Russia refuse any cease of fire.. the terrorist could
start a mass killing of all civilians there at the orders of washington DC . and about 8,000 could die. and later all this civilians casualties blamed on Russia air bombing. in other words Russia needs to seek any kind of negotiation that is acceptable for both sides more or less ,and that could allow Obama government to retreat from the conflict with honor ,in change for NATO allowing civilians to leave . saving millions of civilians lives.. otherwise if Russia do not negotiate with Americans , they could stage a False Flag , and frame Syrian army or Russia with the killings of many thousands of civilians women and children.

So the goal in Syria should be to win not only in the military front.. but is also equally important to expose NATO and its middle east allies for the illegal war they doing in Syria and their sponsor of terrorism. Because if Russia is successful to prove the west sponsored rebels had hostage millions in aleppo since 2013 ,then it will be a total political defeat for American and US -UK and France ,that will get in jail western leaders and not allow NATO to ever again support terrorism.


So Russia is doing the right diplomacy in Syria.. their only mistake is that they are not 
fighting the terrorist with the correct tactics or weapons. Russia is not using attack silent drones
it needs them desperately ,because combat jets alert terrorist to hide. and neither Russia is using effective ways to target fast suicide car bombers . Giving the Syrian army from 30 to 50 T-72b3 tanks with automatic computer guided targeting. will be a game changer in the conflict and stop very quickly the very fast offensives of the terrorist before they start. Simply Russia tactics are lame. to say the least. 

Russia could use some of the tactics the terrorist use . Russia could for example hide hundreds of barrels of bombs full with tnt and dig them underground. Deploy a hundred of them . Then lure terrorist into the village to over run it.. and when they move and take control of it  , BOOM.
blow up the entire village and all terrorist dead. or even better use invisible to the eye very lethal chemical weapons or biological warfare and pick a town you know terrorist want to capture and fill it with that everywhere.. then when they capture it , they will collapse and die in the hundreds withing minutes ,then their terrorist friends curiousity will go there to see what happens and suffer the same death. by the time they realize what is going on ,a thousand of them will be killed without firing a shot. NATO in the other hand play with no rules.they providing chemical weapons to the terrorist.  Russia cannot fight clean against NATO backed terrorist. because their enemies will not fight fairly. Russia needs to use any dirty tactics and  deception too and do it undercovertly . ie. and to not discard the use of chemical weapons ,biologicals ,or poisoning terrorist food etc. or making them ill etc.  Russia needs to fight using any mean or any tactic ,whatever it takes to defeat the terrorist easily.

Vann7 wrote:So Russia is doing the right diplomacy in Syria.. their only mistake is that they are not 
fighting the terrorist with the correct tactics or weapons. Russia is not using attack silent drones
it needs them desperately ,because combat jets alert terrorist to hide. and neither Russia is using effective ways to target fast suicide car bombers . Giving the Syrian army from 30 to 50 T-72b3 tanks with automatic computer guided targeting. will be a game changer in the conflict and stop very quickly the very fast offensives of the terrorist before they start. Simply Russia tactics are lame. to say the least. 

You have one good point here, Russia is indeed giving the US the opportunity to adjust to the Trump era and pull out from the FSA project, saving face. Concerning the rest, they fight with what they have. Russia has no massive numbers of operational, armed UAVs, integrated missile systems on drones etc. They need to work on that for a few more years. They don't have this stuff for themselves like the US Army or Marines do, so they're not going to hand it over to SAA.

I think Russia is making good use of their resources and arguably they allowed SAA to regain Aleppo in less than 1,5 years since their intervention. They've turned this around, hats off really.

Not sure what this means but it don't look good.

President Barack Obama on Wednesday in a memorandum to the US Departments of State and Defense waived restrictions related to providing military assistance to foreign forces in Syria, according to a White House press release issued on Thursday.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The assistance will include the provision of defense articles and services to forces allied with the United States, according to the release. “I hereby…determine that the transaction, encompassing the provision of defense articles and services to foreign forces, irregular forces, groups, or individuals engaged in supporting or facilitating ongoing US military operations to counter terrorism in Syria, is essential to the national security interests of the United States,” Obama said. “[I hereby] waive the prohibitions…related to such a transaction.” Obama added that he thereby waives "the prohibitions… related to such a transaction."

State Department Says US Policy Against Arming Syrian Rebels Has Not Changed Obama waived prohibitions outlined in the US Arms Export Control Act, which forbids providing defense-related supplies or services to countries that are not cooperating fully with US anti-terrorism efforts.

Earlier on Thursday, State Department spokesperson Elizabeth Trudeau claimed that the US position against arming the Syrian opposition will not change even if government forces retake Aleppo. The Syrian Army was in the process of retaking the remaining districts held by militants in southern Aleppo, a source told RIA Novosti.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/us/201612091048339251-obama-waives-restrictions-foreign-military-aid/

good stuff. note the guy on the right, not so Syrian

Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1 31m31 minutes ago
#Syria #Aleppo #Tiger_Forces #Tigers_Men Commander nicknamed "The Tiger's Sword" "Tigers Sword" in Special Operations Room. #SAA #SyrianArmy

Report that up to 300 elite Turkish commandos to enter Syria to fight ISIS terrorists and the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) whilst supporting the Free Syrian Army and Islamist militants

A source told Anadolu News that the 11th Command Brigade have already been airlifted to Syria from the Cardak Military Airport in Western Turkey

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/report-300-elite-turkish-commandos-enter-syria/

JohninMK wrote:Not sure what this means but it don't look good.

President Barack Obama on Wednesday in a memorandum to the US Departments of State and Defense waived restrictions related to providing military assistance to foreign forces in Syria, according to a White House press release issued on Thursday.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The assistance will include the provision of defense articles and services to forces allied with the United States, according to the release. “I hereby…determine that the transaction, encompassing the provision of defense articles and services to foreign forces, irregular forces, groups, or individuals engaged in supporting or facilitating ongoing US military operations to counter terrorism in Syria, is essential to the national security interests of the United States,” Obama said. “ waive the prohibitions…related to such a transaction.” Obama added that he thereby waives "the prohibitions… related to such a transaction."

State Department Says US Policy Against Arming Syrian Rebels Has Not Changed Obama waived prohibitions outlined in the US Arms Export Control Act, which forbids providing defense-related supplies or services to countries that are not cooperating fully with US anti-terrorism efforts.

Earlier on Thursday, State Department spokesperson Elizabeth Trudeau claimed that the US position against arming the Syrian opposition will not change even if government forces retake Aleppo. The Syrian Army was in the process of retaking the remaining districts held by militants in southern Aleppo, a source told RIA Novosti.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/us/201612091048339251-obama-waives-restrictions-foreign-military-aid/

President Obama’s decision could lead to an almost immediate escalation of the conflict and basically put the US in a situation of “waging a proxy war against the Russians and Syrians,” a former Pentagon official, Michael Maloof, told RT.

“The rebels, whom we cannot identify, are going to be getting some very sophisticated weapons. Potentially, I should say, man-portable air defense systems, which can knock down Russian and Syrian aircraft,” Maloof said. “And the fact too, that we have stocks already in Europe, that can easily be transferred with this waiver. Under the waiver, it’s supposed to be a 15-day notification to Congress, but Congress, as of tonight, Washington time, is going to be out of session until January. So these arms can go within hours.”

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/obama-grants-waiver-military-support-foreign-fighters-syria-white-house/

franco wrote:

Khepesh wrote:On 24 Lavrov has said that he has broken his voice trying to reach out to our "partners". He also said that US has all day being doing all it can to protect an-Nusra, and that as an-Nusra is acknowledged by Russia, UN and America itself as a terrorist organisation, then US is supporting terrorism. Seems masks start to drop quicker than a whores knickers* now Washington's plans unravel.

* Too many western movies and novels amigo!

I realized after posting that I probably subconciously quoted from Clint Eastwood, it sounds like what his "nameless man" or Dirty Harry would say...

Sounds like Turkey and FSA are doing full invasion of Al-Bab. Air strikes and all. Not good for Syria and Assad. Not good for Russia for not responding to this either.

First , i don't think Stingers missiles are going to make any difference in the conflict , Since
Russian airforce fly beyond their range. however if they provide real air defenses ,like Pantsirs like mobile defenses ,that NATO have ,it could be a major issue for Russian airforce and a major
hostile escalation of US against Russia.

We will know for sure in 1 or 2 weeks ,if this deal cease of fire was good for Russia or not in long term. But at very least , civilians in eastern aleppo about 8,000 new ones left eastern aleppo since the cease of fire , so from that perspective is a good thing .  

When it comes to Albab still it can be temporary thing. Syrian army can encircle it ,forcing Turkey to retreat and Turkey will be unable to justify attacking Syrian army on its on land if they demand them to leave ,and refuse and later attack Syrian army , Syria will be on its rights to fight back and then Turkey will be on a major disadvantage because its Airforce will be unable to bomb Syrian army without being easily shot down. Means Syria as long Russia is there will always have Air Superiority . means Turkey cannot send a major army to Syria without having control of the airspace first. 

What Syrian army needs to do is to clean Aleppo fast western one ,once they finish eastern alepo  and move to IDLIB/latakia as fast as possible. Turkey will be in a trap and will be forced to leave once Syrian army liberate aleppo and IDLIB  , then Syrian army will be in a position to move to turkey border and close the supply lines from turkey to  Alqaeda in Syria. and this is when effectively the entire war will collapse. without supply lines from Turkey. But attention is needed about the Palmyra front , NATO could be trying to open a major front there and replace Turkey for Jordan. But with Trump in power it will become more difficult for the terrorist .

Vann7 wrote:First , i don't think Stingers missiles are going to make any difference in the conflict , Since
Russian airforce fly beyond their range. however if they provide real air defenses ,like Pantsirs like mobile defenses ,that NATO have ,it could be a major issue for Russian airforce and a major hostile escalation of US against Russia.

We will know for sure in 1 or 2 weeks ,if this deal cease of fire was good for Russia or not in long term. But at very least , civilians in eastern aleppo about 8,000 new ones left eastern aleppo since the cease of fire , so from that perspective is a good thing .  

When it comes to Albab still it can be temporary thing. Syrian army can encircle it ,forcing Turkey to retreat and Turkey will be unable to justify attacking Syrian army on its on land if they demand them to leave ,and refuse and later attack Syrian army , Syria will be on its rights to fight back and then Turkey will be on a major disadvantage because its Airforce will be unable to bomb Syrian army without being easily shot down. Means Syria as long Russia is there will always have Air Superiority . means Turkey cannot send a major army to Syria without having control of the airspace first. 

What Syrian army needs to do is to clean Aleppo fast western one ,once they finish eastern alepo  and move to IDLIB/latakia as fast as possible. Turkey will be in a trap and will be forced to leave once Syrian army liberate aleppo and IDLIB  , then Syrian army will be in a position to move to turkey border and close the supply lines from turkey to  Alqaeda in Syria. and this is when effectively the entire war will collapse. without supply lines from Turkey. But attention is needed about the Palmyra front , NATO could be trying to open a major front there and replace Turkey for Jordan. But with Trump in power it will become more difficult for the terrorist .

You might think stingers won't be a problem for Russian aircraft but you have to remember that the Syrian Air force doesn't have as high tech aircraft as Russia so it is problem if they get stingers.

As for Al Bab the SAA can't really afford to fight on another front against enemies such as FSA and Turkey. Once Aleppo city/eastern has been liberated they still have the rest of Aleppo region, Latakia, Damascus, Palmyra, Idilib, Northern and Southern Hama, Eastern Homs, and Homs central, so the list isn't actually small. And they are still fighting in Deir Ez Zoir, and still mopping up enclaves in and around Damascus, and still have to protect fronts in Southern Syria. So to add another front against fairly decent armed foe such as Turkey and FSA i think this is one front they don't want to fight just yet.

Turkish Leopard 2 tanks near Al Bab


Will it Kornet?  

Turkish Leopard-2A4 in combat against ISIS in #Syria
https://twitter.com/AbraxasSpa/status/807231270648475649

miketheterrible wrote:Sounds like Turkey and FSA are doing full invasion of Al-Bab.  Air strikes and all.  Not good for Syria and Assad.  Not good for Russia for not responding to this either.

Also not good for YPG.

calm wrote:Turkish Leopard 2 tanks near Al Bab


Will it Kornet?  

Turkish Leopard-2A4 in combat against ISIS in #Syria
https://twitter.com/AbraxasSpa/status/807231270648475649

Erdogan is a complete fool, but we don't mind him spending up his MBT forces over there

KiloGolf wrote:

calm wrote:Turkish Leopard 2 tanks near Al Bab


Will it Kornet?  

Turkish Leopard-2A4 in combat against ISIS in #Syria
https://twitter.com/AbraxasSpa/status/807231270648475649

Erdogan is a complete fool, but we don't mind him spending up his MBT forces over there

Maybe they finally realised that Sabras are no better than technicals in this day and age...

Airman wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Sounds like Turkey and FSA are doing full invasion of Al-Bab.  Air strikes and all.  Not good for Syria and Assad.  Not good for Russia for not responding to this either.

Also not good for YPG.

Like I said before the SAA will lose Al-Bab this is within expectations.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Airman wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Sounds like Turkey and FSA are doing full invasion of Al-Bab.  Air strikes and all.  Not good for Syria and Assad.  Not good for Russia for not responding to this either.

Also not good for YPG.

Like I said before the SAA will lose Al-Bab this is within expectations.

It has been rumored for awhile that the Russians had given tact approval to Erdogan going after Al-Bab. It is also rumored that the Russians had given the Kurd's the same approval. Keeps them all occupied and off the SAA's back while Aleppo is taken care of. A further part of that rumor was that Al-Bab was to be the furthest point of advancement of the Turks Euphrates Shield.

ISIS made improvised grenade launching system for HMGs. Since i am not aware they have access to maneuver .50 ammunition they probably just remove the ball and close the hole with hammer like on start pistol ammunition.



Something similar from the Yugoslav wars, just for the M70 assault rifle.

palmyra surroundings, importance for Syrian state.

great info here - https://twitter.com/JACM212/status/806963110057803777

franco wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Airman wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Sounds like Turkey and FSA are doing full invasion of Al-Bab.  Air strikes and all.  Not good for Syria and Assad.  Not good for Russia for not responding to this either.

Also not good for YPG.

Like I said before the SAA will lose Al-Bab this is within expectations.

It has been rumored for awhile that the Russians had given tact approval to Erdogan going after Al-Bab. It is also rumored that the Russians had given the Kurd's the same approval. Keeps them all occupied and off the SAA's back while Aleppo is taken care of. A further part of that rumor was that Al-Bab was to be the furthest point of advancement of the Turks Euphrates Shield.

Just rumors.. Russia cannot do green light to Turkey for anything in Syria ,specially
for territory that is not theirs. You give any small concesion ,then they will ask for more. So it never happened. I think Russia is simply confident that it can push Turkey out of Syria when they no longer see there is a point of it ,since the annexation of any part of Syria will not be backed by Trump. If turmp goes to power ,he will have ways to pressure TUrkey to back down there completely. and respect Syria territory.

In more news..


[size=30]RUSIAN GENERAL STAFF: SYRIAN ARMY IS IN CONTROL OF 93% OF ALEPPO’S TERRITORY [/size]

https://southfront.org/rusian-general-staff-syrian-army-control-93-aleppos-territory/