Syrian War: News #11

d_taddei2 wrote:i know it was a couple of weeks ago when Israel bombed Syria again, but the question i have to ask is Syrian air defence really unable to deter Israeli aircraft? surely the systems below that Syria has (although in what numbers i dont know now since the war) can deter or shoot down Israeli aircraft. The most modern/effective systems in place are Sa-24, Pantsir and BUK

systems currently in use.

Sa-7
Sa-14
Sa-16
Sa-18
Sa-24

Sa-6
Sa-8
Sa-9
Sa-13
BUK
ZSU-23-4
Tunguska
Pantsir

Sa-2
Sa-3
Sa-5
(and possibly rumours of S-300)

I would say No. Israeli know very well their old surface to air missile as they have ELINT aircraft patroling around Syria and they developed good ECM to neutralize them since long ago. Their new systems are not connected as they are in russian air defense and their was an article I put on buk thread that says they achieved to jam Syria Buk-M1.

Their radars are old too and since they don't control all their territory they can't put them were they want.

S-300 were never totaly delivered I think, just some part and then Russia decided to stop.

edit: if you are asking about just an Aircraft in Syria's airspace the answer is yes but Israeli air force won't sent just one fighter and they will have informations about the situation of airdefences.

d_taddei2 wrote:i know it was a couple of weeks ago when Israel bombed Syria again, but the question i have to ask is Syrian air defence really unable to deter Israeli aircraft? surely the systems below that Syria has (although in what numbers i dont know now since the war) can deter or shoot down Israeli aircraft. The most modern/effective systems in place are Sa-24, Pantsir and BUK

systems currently in use.

Sa-7
Sa-14
Sa-16
Sa-18
Sa-24

Sa-6
Sa-8
Sa-9
Sa-13
BUK
ZSU-23-4
Tunguska
Pantsir

Sa-2
Sa-3
Sa-5
(and possibly rumours of S-300)

They are reports with declarations of high range Russian officials that say that some unit of S-300 has been delivered to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/361586-russia-s300-supplied-syria/

Also there are new of some israeli F-16 shut down in Syria by S-300.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201609131045249097-syria-israel-warplane-downed/

Al-Bab map today, the noose tightens.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:......

I think Russians and Assad are way optimistic about this SDF shit but at the end they will not see an integrated Syria.

Although Turkish Government and Assad are two opposing sides,one thing that they agree upon is territorial integrity of Syria.

Not optimistic, just confident in their playbook.

If Kurds start getting creative (again) then that is where Turkey comes into play (again). Kurds and Turks will be doing their usual thing while Russia brings rest of (useful) Syria back online.

And I don't see Turks complaining in that case.

https://komnews.com/russian-foreign-ministry-pkk-not-terrorist-organisation/

Not a surprise.

Lets say,YPG is a new formation and nobody knows about it (being consisted of PKK militants)

However,PKK is in the list of terrorist organizations of UN.So it would be direct confrontation to not just Turkey,but also general understanding of terrorism of the world.Then,everybody would have their own "terrorists"

Actually it is quite correct from perspectives of every individual country,now we conduct operations with whom being called terrorists by Assad, so does Assad the same with YPG.

However,at least Russia had better not mention PKK as "any other organization" while they recognised terrorists by UN.

At least our terrorists are not in the lists of UN yet

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Lets say,YPG is a new formation and nobody knows about it (being consisted of PKK militants)

However,PKK is in the list of terrorist organizations of UN.So it would be direct confrontation to not just Turkey,but also general understanding of terrorism of the world.Then,everybody would have their own "terrorists"

Actually it is quite correct from perspectives of every individual country,now we conduct operations with whom being called terrorists by Assad, so does Assad the same with YPG.

However,at least Russia had better not mention PKK as "any other organization" while they recognised terrorists by UN.

At least our terrorists are not in the lists of UN yet

PKK is not on UN terror list. It is on US terror list yes, but for obvious reasons, 60% of the UNSC permanent members do not consider the PKK a terrorist organization.

YPG however is a unlawful combatant group as far as the Syrian Arab Republic. Everything that happens between Syria and YPG is out of necessity not legal precedent.
While the Turkish support, training and arming of groups close of AQ and Even AQ in Syria is done on state level with embeds and...as we saw lately with the formation of a parallel police force which isn't an arm of the Sovereign state of Syria.

Basically, Turkey is preparing a vassal entity in Syria.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Lets say,YPG is a new formation and nobody knows about it (being consisted of PKK militants)

However,PKK is in the list of terrorist organizations of UN.So it would be direct confrontation to not just Turkey,but also general understanding of terrorism of the world.Then,everybody would have their own "terrorists"

Actually it is quite correct from perspectives of every individual country,now we conduct operations with whom being called terrorists by Assad, so does Assad the same with YPG.

However,at least Russia had better not mention PKK as "any other organization" while they recognised terrorists by UN.

At least our terrorists are not in the lists of UN yet

PKK is not on UN terror list. It is on US terror list yes, but for obvious reasons, 60% of the UNSC permanent members do not consider the PKK a terrorist organization.

YPG however is a unlawful combatant group as far as the Syrian Arab Republic. Everything that happens between Syria and YPG is out of necessity not legal precedent.
While the Turkish support, training and arming of groups close of AQ and Even AQ in Syria is done on state level with embeds and...as we saw lately with the formation of a parallel police force which isn't an arm of the Sovereign state of Syria.

Basically, Turkey is preparing a vassal entity in Syria.

No country wants a neighbor having undesired rulers or governments or ambitions.This is the same reason for Russia to intervene Georgia and Ukraine.You know better than me.

As for Turkey, we had a pact with Syria-Jordan and Lebanon for common trade and travel policy during pre-war period.Although Assad was in the head of Syria,this treaty was signed.

However,with the initial protests spread, Assad has chosen to be part of Iranian politics, which made everything into rubbish.Of course,Turkey is a relatively strong country in MidEast, and would have its own sphere of influence.And Syria is among the target countries.

When it comes to AQ, Turkey forced northern AQ elements to leave the area,and they did.(Azaz-Marea region)

AQ is unwanted element for Turkey,because they screw up wherever they involve.And for them,those who fight with Turkey are fasiq (those fallen into falseness) and there should be no cooperation with them.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Lets say,YPG is a new formation and nobody knows about it (being consisted of PKK militants)

However,PKK is in the list of terrorist organizations of UN.So it would be direct confrontation to not just Turkey,but also general understanding of terrorism of the world.Then,everybody would have their own "terrorists"

Actually it is quite correct from perspectives of every individual country,now we conduct operations with whom being called terrorists by Assad, so does Assad the same with YPG.

However,at least Russia had better not mention PKK as "any other organization" while they recognised terrorists by UN.

At least our terrorists are not in the lists of UN yet

PKK is not on UN terror list. It is on US terror list yes, but for obvious reasons, 60% of the UNSC permanent members do not consider the PKK a terrorist organization.

YPG however is a unlawful combatant group as far as the Syrian Arab Republic. Everything that happens between Syria and YPG is out of necessity not legal precedent.
While the Turkish support, training and arming of groups close of AQ and Even AQ in Syria is done on state level with embeds and...as we saw lately with the formation of a parallel police force which isn't an arm of the Sovereign state of Syria.

Basically, Turkey is preparing a vassal entity in Syria.

No country wants a neighbor having undesired rulers or governments or ambitions.This is the same reason for Russia to intervene Georgia and Ukraine.You know better than me.

As for Turkey, we had a pact with Syria-Jordan and Lebanon for common trade and travel policy during pre-war period.Although Assad was in the head of Syria,this treaty was signed.

However,with the initial protests spread, Assad has chosen to be part of Iranian politics, which made everything into rubbish.Of course,Turkey is a relatively strong country in MidEast, and would have its own sphere of influence.And Syria is among the target countries.

When it comes to AQ, Turkey forced northern AQ elements to leave the area,and they did.(Azaz-Marea region)

AQ is unwanted element for Turkey,because they screw up wherever they involve.And for them,those who fight with Turkey are fasiq (those fallen into falseness) and there should be no cooperation with them.

Undesired? Did Russia depose Saakashvili when Georgia attacked Ossetia? Did Russia depose Poroshenko when they invervened in Donbass, did they depose Turchinov & friends when they intervened in Crimea? Did the Russians depose any leader in their interventions lately, including in Chechnya? Russians even agreed to call an end to war they could have easily won with more bloodshed, but instead they let Chechnya go into chaos.

Assad has always been part of the Iranian politics, it were Syrian missiles that were used by Hizb'Allah against Israel. Assad was the one that was using Iranian crude for its refineries and making a killing on them. It was Assad that would buy a lot of dual use technologies and pass them to Iran. Metis-M ATGM's that Iran reversed were also bought by Syria.

Turkey forced what? Turkey trucked whole buses of Al Nusrah and affiliates on both side of the border to help with Aleppo counter-offensive. Turkish weapons, ammo, PPE, Supplies, maps and even equipment was captured. Turkey even made recon flights, used artillery in support of Al Nusra very early in the conflict.

Yeah no cooperation with them, only tons of East German AKM's that Turkey got after the end of the Cold war from Germany, found out their way into Al Nusra and funny thing this, not later than in January the "police" in Norther Syria has the same guns Turkey send to Nusra. Well how come?

Drop the argument, Turkey is partaking in a regime change plan, while it almost suffered a regime change itself. Better watch out who you sleep with.

Breaking ||East Aleppo CS
Militants Media talking about clashes between SAA Tiger forces and FSA Shield Euphrates near Um Alzendan

Turkish reports claim 5 Turkish soldiers killed by Syrian Air Force airstrike on a building occupied by a tank crew near al-Bab. Bullseye.
10 dead Turkish soldiers killed in two days of fighting near al-Bab including this Grey Wolf supremacist.Accounts run by Turkish forces claim that Syrian Air Force struck Turkish Army positions in al Bab at 8:45 today. There are dead soldiers.

https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/829659268005638144
https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/829668708935225344

We must control highway to connect Aleppo and Hasakah (by Kurdish area too), so rebels must be kicked out

https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/829689349142937600

Turkey does not face any sanctions by any country because of any illegal invasion accusation,but Russia does.

So even though I become convinced about what you said,this will not change the fact.

As for AQ

Russian logic ON

AQ fights against Assad
FSA fights against Assad
Then AQ is FSA

Turkey supports FSA
FSA was AQ
Turkey supports AQ.

Russian Logic OFF

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:...............

As for AQ

Russian logic ON

AQ fights against Assad
FSA fights against Assad
Then AQ is FSA

Turkey supports FSA
FSA was AQ
Turkey supports AQ.

Russian Logic OFF

That's not Russian logic. That is just logic.

eehnie wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:i know it was a couple of weeks ago when Israel bombed Syria again, but the question i have to ask is Syrian air defence really unable to deter Israeli aircraft? surely the systems below that Syria has (although in what numbers i dont know now since the war) can deter or shoot down Israeli aircraft. The most modern/effective systems in place are Sa-24, Pantsir and BUK

systems currently in use.

Sa-7
Sa-14
Sa-16
Sa-18
Sa-24

Sa-6
Sa-8
Sa-9
Sa-13
BUK
ZSU-23-4
Tunguska
Pantsir

Sa-2
Sa-3
Sa-5
(and possibly rumours of S-300)

They are reports with declarations of high range Russian officials that say that some unit of S-300 has been delivered to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/361586-russia-s300-supplied-syria/

Also there are new of some israeli F-16 shut down in Syria by S-300.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201609131045249097-syria-israel-warplane-downed/

Never happened.

calm wrote:Prisoner exchange negotiations btw SAA & Opp in Qal'at Mudiq, Hama
Some reports saying exchange will include Opp release of Alawite women & children kidnapped in Latakia countryside in 2013
kidnapped by ISIS/FSA during offensive in Latakia countryside in 2013
Exchange will start soon in batches, Gov will release 55 & Opp will release 54 prisoners incl. women/children kidnapped from Latakia CS
Pics of Alawite women and children who will hopefully be released soon


https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/829010971729354753

they have arrived in Damascus.

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:i know it was a couple of weeks ago when Israel bombed Syria again, but the question i have to ask is Syrian air defence really unable to deter Israeli aircraft? surely the systems below that Syria has (although in what numbers i dont know now since the war) can deter or shoot down Israeli aircraft. The most modern/effective systems in place are Sa-24, Pantsir and BUK

systems currently in use.

Sa-7
Sa-14
Sa-16
Sa-18
Sa-24

Sa-6
Sa-8
Sa-9
Sa-13
BUK
ZSU-23-4
Tunguska
Pantsir

Sa-2
Sa-3
Sa-5
(and possibly rumours of S-300)

They are reports with declarations of high range Russian officials that say that some unit of S-300 has been delivered to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/361586-russia-s300-supplied-syria/

Also there are new of some israeli F-16 shut down in Syria by S-300.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201609131045249097-syria-israel-warplane-downed/

Never happened.

1. Was simply S-300 transferred to Russian contingent.
2. Indeed never happened. Once again, to Bomb Mezzeh, they don't need to cross the border. They do it only for high stakes. Basically not since 2013.

He keeps spreading BS.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:i know it was a couple of weeks ago when Israel bombed Syria again, but the question i have to ask is Syrian air defence really unable to deter Israeli aircraft? surely the systems below that Syria has (although in what numbers i dont know now since the war) can deter or shoot down Israeli aircraft. The most modern/effective systems in place are Sa-24, Pantsir and BUK

systems currently in use.

Sa-7
Sa-14
Sa-16
Sa-18
Sa-24

Sa-6
Sa-8
Sa-9
Sa-13
BUK
ZSU-23-4
Tunguska
Pantsir

Sa-2
Sa-3
Sa-5
(and possibly rumours of S-300)

They are reports with declarations of high range Russian officials that say that some unit of S-300 has been delivered to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/361586-russia-s300-supplied-syria/

Also there are new of some israeli F-16 shut down in Syria by S-300.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201609131045249097-syria-israel-warplane-downed/

Never happened.

1. Was simply S-300 transferred to Russian contingent.
2. Indeed never happened. Once again, to Bomb Mezzeh, they don't need to cross the border. They do it only for high stakes. Basically not since 2013.

He keeps spreading BS.

Konashenkov, Defense Ministry spokesman cited in the article, seems more credible than you.

eehnie wrote:

Konashenkov, Defense Ministry spokesman cited in the article, seems more credible than you.

"He recalled that before the deployment of S-300, Russia had delivered Fort air defense missile systems to Syria."

OMGZ SYRIA BOUGHT SLAVA CRUISER.

Can we all agree that Russia shouldn't negotiate with Israel and should fund hezbollah since it's fighting against al qaeda, while the pissrael is aiding it and killing civilians additionally on its own?

Kinda along the lines of 'tell us where your guys are cause they could get hit'.

Note that Erdogan has updated his 'we stop in Al-Bab and hand it back to the locals when ISIS is gone' to 'we want our SF involved in Raqqa operation'. Whilst the SyAA strike across the south of Al-Bab could be viewed as a blocking move against a further move south by the Turks.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov confirmed to Sputnik that Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed condolences to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan over an accidental Russian airstrike that had killed Turkish soldiers in Syria. Peskov said that Russia and Turkey will jointly investigate the deadly incident. The Kremlin spokesman said that Putin told Erdogan that Turkish soldiers had died as a result of lack of coordination regarding coordinates during Russian military jets' strikes in Syria.

Russia and Turkey will improve coordination of activities in Syria after the unintentional strike, Peskov said. "President Putin informed… about the recent telephone conversation with Turkish President Erdogan, said that he expressed condolences to the Turkish counterpart over the fact that early this morning as a result of non-coordination of coordinates Turkish soldiers had been killed during a joint operation to liberate al-Bab by Russian Aerospace Forces' airstrikes," Peskov said.

The Russian and Turkish presidents held a phone conversation earlier on Thursday. Putin expressed condolences to Erdogan over the deaths of Turkish soldiers near Syria's al-Bab, the Kremlin said earlier. They also agreed to expand military coordination during the operation against militants from Daesh and other extremist groups in Syria.

Earlier in the day, the Turkish General Staff said that an accidental Russian airstrike killed three Turkish soldiers and wounded 11 others in northern Syria. "Today, around 08.40, during airstrikes against Daesh targets [in Syria], Russian combat planes accidentally hit a building hosting Turkish servicemen taking part in Euphrates Shield operation. As a result, three Turkish soldiers were killed, 11 were wounded, including one seriously," the Turkish General Staff said in a statement.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201702091050514274-turkey-russia-strike-syria/

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Konashenkov, Defense Ministry spokesman cited in the article, seems more credible than you.

"He recalled that before the deployment of S-300, Russia had delivered Fort air defense missile systems to Syria."

OMGZ SYRIA BOUGHT SLAVA CRUISER.

Who would expect some link to see even if what you say is fair.

Clear words of Konashenkov in the article:

Konashenkov wrote:the Syrian Arab Republic received an S-300 anti-aircraft missile system.

Then the Syrian Arab Republic received an S-300 anti-aircraft missile system.

One at the time of the article, and may be more, later or before.

eehnie wrote:

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Konashenkov, Defense Ministry spokesman cited in the article, seems more credible than you.

"He recalled that before the deployment of S-300, Russia had delivered Fort air defense missile systems to Syria."

OMGZ SYRIA BOUGHT SLAVA CRUISER.

Who would expect some link to see even if what you say is fair.

Clear words of Konashenkov in the article:

Konashenkov wrote:the Syrian Arab Republic received an S-300 anti-aircraft missile system.

Then the Syrian Arab Republic received an S-300 anti-aircraft missile system.

One at the time of the article, and may be more, later or before.

Its on the link YOU provided: https://www.rt.com/news/361586-russia-s300-supplied-syria/

"Konashenkov said it is unclear why the deployment of the missile system has created such a fuss in the West.

“The S-300 is a purely defensive system and poses no threat,” he said.

He recalled that before the deployment of S-300, Russia had delivered Fort air defense missile systems to Syria."

Hence we all can agree that Syrian Arab Republic has Slava cruiser now too, maybe few who knows.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Can we all agree that Russia shouldn't negotiate with Israel and should fund hezbollah since it's fighting against al qaeda, while the pissrael is aiding it and killing civilians additionally on its own?

Israel is non belligerent country towards Russia. A reliable partner all things considered and given the average rating.

Hezbollah is pro Iranian group. They should receive funding from Iran. Same Iran that keeps trying to screw Russia over, from airliner sales to Hamadan base and Tartus lease, even though they were supposed to be allies.

I say Russia should keep doing same thing they have been doing so far: staying out of stupid, irrelevant crap that they have no use of.

PapaDragon wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Can we all agree that Russia shouldn't negotiate with Israel and should fund hezbollah since it's fighting against al qaeda, while the pissrael is aiding it and killing civilians additionally on its own?

Israel is non belligerent country towards Russia. A reliable partner all things considered and given the average rating.

Hezbollah is pro Iranian group. They should receive funding from Iran. Same Iran that keeps trying to screw Russia over, from airliner sales to Hamadan base and Tartus lease, even though they were supposed to be allies.

I say Russia should keep doing same thing they have been doing so far: staying out of stupid, irrelevant crap that they have no use of.

Israeli weapons kill Russian civilians in Ukraine and Russian servicemen in Syria.