Another Kalashnikova Show with Anna Kinishenko. It is from Arabic RT. English version should come soon.
First half of the program is from the Amur shipyard and construction of four pr.22800 Karakurt corvettes and the pr.20380 Rezky corvette. The other half is in Sevastopol with Buyan class corvette Grayvoron and various places with other ships.
It does look like a civil RO/RO. Somewhat similar in shape and size to the Soviet Mechanic/Engineer class but it's not the same. Maybe an unfinished project?
Are the Russians still planning on building Lider class? i see they reactivate it, but then they are looking at Enlarged Gorshkov. So hard to see what their plans are around destroyers and cruisers
Not hard, you have all the relevant statements from officials and strategic documents in the corresponding threads. The short version is that Russia needs a serious blue water fleet and they will get it.
Navy fanboy wrote:Are the Russians still planning on building Lider class? i see they reactivate it, but then they are looking at Enlarged Gorshkov. So hard to see what their plans are around destroyers and cruisers
Super Gorshkov is called frigate but in terms of size it will be destroyer in all but name
I saw on wiki they will be getting 2 Gorshkov per year starting 2025. I hope they don't ruin the Gorshkov's production for an oversized Gorshkov that will take much longer to build. Gorshkov need 6 years and 2 other for accepting it into service.
The enlarged Gorshkov Frigate is just what the Russian Navy asked for in terms of changes and upgrades to the design after getting some experience with them.
We don't know but can probably expect the enlarged ships will be Frigates and will be the standard Gorshkov type.
Once they have the enlarged Gorshkovs in the water they can look at the results and make some better decisions about their new destroyers and eventually their new cruisers.
The current small Gorshkovs wont be scrapped obviously and are capable boats, but I suspect they might be used in the Med and Black Sea and Baltic Sea areas, while the bigger frigates might be used in the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleets... the difference is not fundamental... they don't have different missiles or anything that would make them completely different.
What they need is ship designs that are accepted and proven so they can put them into serial production, which means much faster production because there are no surprises and no problems to solve... you just make them.
GarryB wrote:What they need is ship designs that are accepted and proven so they can put them into serial production, which means much faster production because there are no surprises and no problems to solve... you just make them.
Agreed.
I do not know how carrier groups add any value in the modern battlefield. Maybe that's why Russia is not all that keen in acquiring 2 or 3 aircraft carriers. Anti ship ballistic missiles will neutralize any carrier group.
These days navies need air to air defence cued by various sensors including space to clean up surface threats, SSGNs for a submerged arsenal ship punch, SSNs for hunter role , Navy, AirForce joint swing role heavy bomber force on land , UUVs as eyes and ears and LPH asw fast ship to defeat submarine threat
GarryB wrote:What they need is ship designs that are accepted and proven so they can put them into serial production, which means much faster production because there are no surprises and no problems to solve... you just make them.
Agreed.
I do not know how carrier groups add any value in the modern battlefield. Maybe that's why Russia is not all that keen in acquiring 2 or 3 aircraft carriers. Anti ship ballistic missiles will neutralize any carrier group.
These days navies need air to air defence cued by various sensors including space to clean up surface threats, SSGNs for a submerged arsenal ship punch, SSNs for hunter role , Navy, AirForce joint swing role heavy bomber force on land , UUVs as eyes and ears and LPH asw fast ship to defeat submarine threat
Against a peer competitor, carriers are targets, not assets. They are white elephants. Distributed lethality is the way to go.
Eight submarines and surface ships will be handed over to the RN this year; The corporation did not specify which ships and submarines will be handed over to the customer
Earlier, USC told TASS that the second serial nuclear submarine missile carrier of project 955A (code "Borey-A") "Generalissimo Suvorov" will be transferred to the Navy in December 2022. "Admiralty Shipyards" are preparing to hand over to the fleet this year submarines of project 677 "Lada" B-586 "Kronstadt" and B-587 "Veliky Luki". In addition, it is known from the open press about plans to transfer the Project 636.3 B-588 Ufa submarine to the Navy in 2022. Severnaya Verf plans to hand over the Project 22350 frigate Admiral Golovko, as well as the Project 20380 Mercury corvette. The ship of the same project "Sharp/Rezkiy" is preparing to transfer the Amur Shipyard to the Pacific Fleet. The Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard plans to hand over to the customer the Project 12700 mine defense ships Pyotr Ilyichev and Anatoly Shlemov.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14151847
My personal opinion; 1. K- ??? "Generalissimo Suvorov" will be handed over to the RN by the end of this year.. 2. K-329 "Belgorod"; will be handed over to the RN this summer. 3. B-586 "Kronstadt"; will be handed over to the RN, i hope so. 4. frigate Admiral Golovko; it all depends on the testing of gas turbines and reducers . 5. B-587 "Veliky Luki"; this submarine is not launched and will be in service next year. Lets wait and see.. 6. corvette Rezkiy; no question about this corvette. will be handed over to the PF this year. 7. corvette Mercury; lets wait and see. 8. NOT MENTIONED IN THE LIST BUT MAYBE MOST IMPORTANT is K-571 "Krasnoyarsk". there is a good chance that this submarine will become operational either by the end of this year or in the first half of next year. There is, of course, the next one, which could soon be launched - Perm. 9 and 10; Project 12700 mine defense ships Pyotr Ilyichev and Anatoly Shlemov; no question about that. will be handed over to the RN this year. 11. B-588 Ufa; will be handed over to the RN this year. TASS does not mention the small missile ships of the project 21631 and 22800, as well as the patrol ships of the project 22160, although there is no doubt that the Russian Navy will get several ships from the silent projects.
The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) will hand over three newest submarines to the Russian Navy this year, including the nuclear-powered Generalissimo Suvorov (Borey-A project) and Krasnoyarsk (Yasen-M), the director general told RIA Novosti USC Alexey Rakhmanov. In total, USC will hand over 24 ships and warships this year. “By the end of the year, we will hand over to the fleet two nuclear-powered submarines, the Generalissimo Suvorov and Krasnoyarsk nuclear submarines, and one Admiralty boat, the Ufa non-nuclear submarine,” Rakhmanov said. Submarine "Ufa" (project 636.3) is being built at the "Admiralty Shipyards" in St. Petersburg. He stressed that most of the ships and vessels belong to civil shipbuilding, and 10 units - under the state defense order, "some of which are out of repair, some are new construction."
MOSCOW, June 11/ Sputnik Radio. Six ships and submarines will be laid at shipyards on Russia Day, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
"On June 12, the Day of Russia, the leading shipbuilding enterprises of the country will host a mass laying ceremony of six warships for the Navy. The ceremony will be held under the leadership of the Commander-in – Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov," RIA Novosti quotes a fragment of the defense Ministry's message.
Admiralty Shipyards will lay two diesel-electric submarines of Project 677 "Vologda" and "Yaroslavl" for the Northern Fleet. Other enterprises will lay the project 12700 anti-mine ship "Polyarny", two ships of the project 03182p and the corvette "Razumny". The commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy will take part in the ceremony via video link. The admiral himself will be stationed at the Admiralty Shipyards.
Evmenov said that the Russian Navy will receive 46 ships this year
The Russian Navy in 2022 will receive 46 warships and support vessels. This was stated by the Commander-in-Chief of the Fleet, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, during the ceremonial laying of warships at shipbuilding enterprises in St. Petersburg, Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Zelenodolsk.
“In 2022, 46 warships and support vessels will be transferred to the Navy. 50 ships are on stocks in varying degrees of readiness... The laying is another step towards achieving the task set by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to maintain the share of modern ships at a level of at least 70%,” Evmenov said.
Evmenov takes part in the laying of ships via videoconferencing while at the Admiralty Shipyards. The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy gave the command to start work on the construction of ships.
Surface warships and submarines under construction on September 1, 2022. The list mentions the possibility of contracting two more Project 885M submarines during 2022/23, as well as two more Project 955A submarines in the same period. The list also mentions the possibility of laying the keels for two more project 22350 frigates at the "Severnaya Werf" (I am extremely skeptical about this), as well as the conclusion of a contract for two more such frigates at the "Amur Shipyard". ..... The Ulyanovsk submarine is still listed as project 09853, not 885M.
Fleet composition of the Russian Navy on September 1, 2022.
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Podlodka77 wrote:Latest picture of Russian diesel-electric submarines B-588 "Ufa". I think the submarine will soon be handed over to the Russian Navy.
https://paluba.media/news/37201
Diesel-electric submarine "Ufa" will be handed over to the customer in November
Diesel-electric submarine "Ufa" project 636 will enter the Navy in November this year. This was announced by the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, following the results of a scheduled workshop, which discussed issues of non-nuclear submarine shipbuilding. At present, the Admiralty Shipyards enterprise has completed the offshore part of the state tests of the Ufa diesel-electric submarine in the Baltic Sea test sites. During the tests, the functioning of a number of ship devices, mechanisms and equipment, as well as hydroacoustic and navigation systems was tested. The submarine successfully completed dives to various depths, the crew and employees of the Admiralty Shipyards checked and assessed the maneuverability and controllability of the submarine at different navigation depths. [size=12]Photo: Admiralty Shipyards As it was reported to the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy at a meeting with the heads of the relevant governing bodies of the High Command of the Navy, at present, after completing the marine part of the state tests, the Ufa diesel-electric submarine has arrived at the Admiralty Shipyards, where it is undergoing revision and finishing in preparation for signing the acceptance certificate. Issues of servicing diesel-electric submarines "Ufa" were worked out in the future. Repair and technical documentation for Project 636 submarines was developed by the 51st Central Design and Technological Institute of Ship Repair, which has rich experience in this area.[/size]
So this year we can very likely expect 5 new submarines; 1. Special purpose nuclear submarine of the project 09852 K-329 "Belgorod" - active, 2. Project 955A SSBN submarine "Generalissimo Suvorov" 3. Project 885M SSN/SSGN submarine K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" 4. Project 636.3 diesel-electrci submarine B-588 "Ufa", 5. Project 677 diesel-electric submarine B-586 "Kronshtadt".
What I expect in the near future, that is, in the next few months, is the following 6. launching of SSBN of the project 955A, submarine "Imperator Alexander III", 7. launching of a SSN/SSGN of the project 885M; "K-564 "Arkhangelsk", 8. launching of a "special purpose nuclear submarine" (SPNS) according to the Russian classification of the project 09851, submarine "Khabarovsk", 9. launching of a diesel-electric submarine of the project 677 B-587 "Velikiye Luki", 10. launching of a diesel-electric submarine of the project 636.3 "Mozhaysk".
Podlodka77 wrote: So this year we can very likely expect 5 new submarines; 1. Special purpose nuclear submarine of the project 09852 K-329 "Belgorod" - active, 2. Project 955A SSBN submarine "Generalissimo Suvorov" 3. Project 885M SSN/SSGN submarine K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" 4. Project 636.3 diesel-electrci submarine B-588 "Ufa", 5. Project 677 diesel-electric submarine B-586 "Kronshtadt". What I expect in the near future, that is, in the next few months, is the following 6. launching of SSBN of the project 955A, submarine "Imperator Alexander III", 7. launching of a SSN/SSGN of the project 885M; "K-564 "Arkhangelsk", 8. launching of a "special purpose nuclear submarine" (SPNS) according to the Russian classification of the project 09851, submarine "Khabarovsk", 9. launching of a diesel-electric submarine of the project 677 B-587 "Velikiye Luki", 10. launching of a diesel-electric submarine of the project 636.3 "Mozhaysk".
And this runs on a budget on pair with UK and France. And smaller than Saudi Arabia.
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Podlodka77 wrote: So this year we can very likely expect 5 new submarines; 1. Special purpose nuclear submarine of the project 09852 K-329 "Belgorod" - active, 2. Project 955A SSBN submarine "Generalissimo Suvorov" 3. Project 885M SSN/SSGN submarine K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" 4. Project 636.3 diesel-electrci submarine B-588 "Ufa", 5. Project 677 diesel-electric submarine B-586 "Kronshtadt". What I expect in the near future, that is, in the next few months, is the following 6. launching of SSBN of the project 955A, submarine "Imperator Alexander III", 7. launching of a SSN/SSGN of the project 885M; "K-564 "Arkhangelsk", 8. launching of a "special purpose nuclear submarine" (SPNS) according to the Russian classification of the project 09851, submarine "Khabarovsk", 9. launching of a diesel-electric submarine of the project 677 B-587 "Velikiye Luki", 10. launching of a diesel-electric submarine of the project 636.3 "Mozhaysk".
And this runs on a budget on pair with UK and France. And smaller than Saudi Arabia.
That's right, my friend, and all those 10 submarines will be operational for a maximum of two years (10 submarines in total for two to 3 years), bearing in mind that the inclusion of a nuclear reactor, sea trials and state trials take a year and a few months on nuclear submarines. The only thing that I think needs to be accelerated is the construction of submarines that will replace the projects 971 Schchuka-B (NATO; Akula) and 945A Kondor (NATO; Sierra-2). Whether it will be additional 885M submarines or whether the construction of slightly smaller 545A will start in a few years remains to be seen.
Podlodka77 wrote: That's right, my friend, and all those 10 submarines will be operational for a maximum of two years (10 submarines in total for two to 3 years), bearing in mind that the inclusion of a nuclear reactor, sea trials and state trials take a year and a few months on nuclear submarines.
Always remember the unbelievable level of Russian corruption, that is unknown to the western MIC.
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