Russian Naval Construction Plans and Numbers

And this runs on a budget on pair with UK and France.
And smaller than Saudi Arabia.

Being Mr Picky just for clarification what you actually meant was: And this runs on a budget on par with UK OR France.

It is astounding... it is like the saying the car is so old it relies on the rust for structural integrity and if you removed the rust you would have nothing left meaning the Rust is actually critical to it being a car... by inference the extreme corruption in Russia is the only thing that makes it so successful.

The alternative would be there is less corruption and corruption in the defence of the country is not tolerated they way the west encourages it in their MIC.

The west, with its massive superiority complex thinks it is OK to screw the government... we will win any war anyway... we don't fight wars we can't win...

No good news from Severnaya Werf..

26 October 2022 12:51
MASHNEWS
Shipbuilding

Igor Orlov: boathouse "Severnaya Verf" will continue to build a new contractor

Director of Severnaya Verf Igor Orlov spoke in an exclusive interview with MASHNEWS about the progress of construction of a new slipway for large-capacity ships and vessels.
“We are finishing the competitive procedures for selecting a new contractor,” said Igor Orlov, adding that the previous contractor did not complete the required amount of work, going bankrupt.

"This year we will continue to build," summed up the director of Severnaya Verf.

Earlier it was reported that USC plans to complete the construction of a new slipway at Severnaya Verf in 2023.
The construction of a boathouse at the shipyard is the first stage in the modernization of the plant's production. In 2017, Metrostroy received a contract to perform these works. It was assumed that the work would be completed in the first quarter of 2019, but the contractor failed to cope with the task, the contract was terminated.

In 2020, USC CEO Alexei Rakhmanov said that they plan to complete the construction of the boathouse before the end of the year. In September 2020, Severnaya Verf signed a contract with a new contractor, Domestic Systems and Technologies LLC. After that, the object was planned to be commissioned in 2022. The cost of the contract was estimated at 7.8 billion rubles.

The first stage of production modernization included the construction of two horizontal slipway slabs 250x100 m, covered by a boathouse 73.5 m high, with overhead cranes with a lifting capacity of 350 tons.

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My addition; With the exception of Sevmash, which is overloaded (it turned out to be a big mistake that only this shipyard builds nuclear submarines) with the construction of 3 nuclear submarine projects (885M, 955A, 09851 Khabarovsk), as well as the modernization of the "Nakhimov" cruiser, all other Russian shipyards are ineffective that that's already a big shame. "Baltic Shipyard" is an exception, but only nuclear icebreakers are built there - there is no production for military needs. The problem is not only shipyards, but also subcontractors who do not deliver engines and other equipment installed on ships on time. There is no order and there is no efficiency and that is why everything is delayed by a year or two or much more when it comes to frigates 22350..
The Russians still talk a lot about the navy, but the results are not at all impressive. Although I believe that Sevmash will start the accelerated construction of the successor to the project 971 submarines when the 955A strategic submarines are completed - nothing else makes me happy. There is hope for submarines, but not much for surface warships at the moment.

With the current split with the west Russia is going to have to shift focus to the rest of the world which means a shift in focus in their military spending as well.

The Navy was not a real focus in the past though they are making corvettes that make western destroyers look underarmed and equipped, so the direction is good... they just need more funding and attention.

Saying one shipyard is overloaded is BS because the corvettes and frigates and minesweepers and helicopter landing ships and other vessels being made for the Russian Navy are not nuclear powered so other shipyards can make them.

If they do follow through on plans for destroyers and cruisers and their new fixed wing carriers to be nuclear powered then other shipyards are going to have to deal with nuclear propulsion technology too, and most shipyards are going to have to be able to handle bigger ships whether it is just to upgrade them or to build them... because bigger ships are coming... civilian and military.

GarryB wrote:With the current split with the west Russia is going to have to shift focus to the rest of the world which means a shift in focus in their military spending as well.

The Navy was not a real focus in the past though they are making corvettes that make western destroyers look underarmed and equipped, so the direction is good... they just need more funding and attention.

Saying one shipyard is overloaded is BS because the corvettes and frigates and minesweepers and helicopter landing ships and other vessels being made for the Russian Navy are not nuclear powered so other shipyards can make them.

If they do follow through on plans for destroyers and cruisers and their new fixed wing carriers to be nuclear powered then other shipyards are going to have to deal with nuclear propulsion technology too, and most shipyards are going to have to be able to handle bigger ships whether it is just to upgrade them or to build them... because bigger ships are coming... civilian and military.

Sevmash is currently building 10 nuclear submarines; 4 strategic 955A, 5 multipurpose 885M, and "special purpose" submarine of project 09851 Khabarovsk. Two more submarines are being tested by Sevmash and are about to be put into service, i.e. Suvorov (955A) and Krasnoyarsk (885M). That's 12 submarines plus the modernization of the Nakhimov cruiser. Sevmash is working at full steam and is the only relatively efficient shipbuilder - that's the bottom line. Of course, we should expect the start of construction of additional submarines in the near future.

Well, not all of them are overloaded and I think that Yantar could get a contract for two more landing ships of project 11711, while it remains to be seen whether the Amur Shipyard will start building frigates as it is hinted at. The question is whether Zvezda and Baltic shipyards will sign contracts for the construction of military ships in the future. Many problems need to be solved such as engine problems because even the small rocket ships of project 22800 are delayed because of it. Project 22350 frigates remain a huge problem and apologies for Ukr. Zorya Mashproekt are out of place because the Russians have no one to blame for not starting development of their own turbines earlier and before 2014. That was a large mistake.

ALAMO wrote:There is hardly any advantage to having Nikolayev shipyard.
It is in a state of decomposition, and the whole infrastructure there is made back in the tsarist times. Soviets only expanded it.
If anyone is to build a dreadnought, then yes, that would be a good address.
Only needs to be grub up first ...

New dreadnoughts... 

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Where?

I know only about Zvezda and about something for Novatek in the Kola bay.

There was some talk about a massive shipyard in Kotlin island near Sankt Petersburg, but I do not know the status.

This will not anyway superseed the advantages about having back Nikolaev.

On Kotlin island next to Piter. 
Problem with all these shipyards in Ukraine is, aside from need of massive investments is where to find all qualified workforce. Most of them didn't do shit for 30 years and competencies were lost. Whole Russian shipbuilding sector is still battling with same problem ( lack of qualified workforce).

Photo taken at Rybinsk shipyard:

Two TARANTUL class missile boats (one of them nearly completed)
One GRACHONOK patrol boat
One 20360M (VLADIMIR PYALOV) class auxiliary

The Russian Navy will very likely be even smaller than it is now.
Apart from the problems with engines, it is necessary to finally select and reduce the number of projects under construction. It turns out that all projects of Russian surface warships are "unfinished" and that they are constantly being improved through construction. Due to the inefficiency and slowness of the construction, this should not be surprising, because since 2006, when the construction of the "Gorshkov" frigate began and 16 years have passed, only two frigates (Gorshkov and Kasatonov) of that project have been put into use. At the same time, the Chinese did build over 30 Type-054A project frigates and about the same number of Type-052C, Type-052D and Type-055 destroyers. That's why any comparison with China is ridiculous. The "Leopard" submarine has been undergoing modernization for over 10 years, and the same applies to the "Irkutsk" submarine, a complete mess.


* Although the corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385 are similar in terms of displacement, they are still very different in terms of armament, while project 20386 is essentially a completely new ship.

* The Russians started building 21631 Buyan-M projects and subsequently started building 22800 Karakurt small missile ships. The reason for this is that the project 22800 has much better sailing characteristics in rough seas. And the Russians again announce the increase of the combat kit and the construction of small missile ships of the project 21635 Sarsar.

* Although the cessation of delivery of gas turbines from Ukroshitstan in 2014 is no justification for Russia, because one can justifiably ask why Russia waited for 23 years (from 1991 to 2014) to finally start designing gas turbines for the 22350 project. Eight years have passed since 2014, and the "Golovko" frigate has not yet begun sea trials, and I think that the question is whether the ship will be handed over to the Russian Navy next year. At the same time, "Isakov" has not yet been launched. It is a great shame for the country that builds 885M and 955A submarines. And in the end, here we come to a change in the project and it is already clear that from the fifth ship all frigates will have 24 or 32 cells in 3 to 4 UKSK.

* Project 11711 also underwent changes, so the third and fourth ships (Vladimir Andreyev and Vasily Trushin) were significantly enlarged.

* Any talk about project 22350M or about destroyers is completely meaningless after the above. Russian surface warships have no prospects (since the collapse of the USSR, nothing has been improved in terms of shipbuilding) and it remains to be seen whether Russia is at least able to build new submarines to replace projects 971 and 945A. That's why I'm just looking at Sevmash, although I'm already worried that the next in the 885M line, the submarine "Arkhangelsk", has been under construction for over 7.5 years and has not yet been launched. This means a minimum of 10 years until the introduction of that submarine into service and this leads to an imminent reduction in the number of operational SSN/SSGN submarines in the Russian Navy.

lancelot wrote:There is no comparison really. You are comparing a navy which is in full swing in terms of production to one which is still trying to come up with the proper ship types to manufacture. Why don't you look at the Chinese ships from 1990-2010 then? It was a succession of pathetically obsolete ships, mishmashed designs, and poor designs in general made in homeopathic amounts until they came up with the ship types they have in service at the moment. I think the major mistake Russia made was believing they could import weapon components. After the Chinese were hit with sanctions following the Tiananmen Square incident in 1989 they have had severe restrictions on weapons imports. Given that experience and their previous experience with the Soviets withdrawing technical support after the Sino-Soviet split they basically demand the capability to license manufacture anything they use in their own military to any large degree. That is where I think Russia failed with its imports of MTU engines and Ukrainian gas turbines. They should have never put those in the critical production path without demanding tech transfer first.

I think the Russian industry responded quite quickly to the gas turbine shortage. 5 years is the typical minimum for a project like that to enter production. Ramping up to mass production will take longer. The main issue is the goddamned diesels.

And where are the gas turbines you write about because "Golovko" was launched on May 22, 2020 and both turbines were installed inside the ship by December 2020. The ship still hasn't started sea trials. And what is the guarantee that even when it finally starts sea trials, there will be no malfunctions ?
What is the justification that Russia, as a country with a largest nuclear arsenal (a fact), did not start designing and then building gas turbines immediately after the disintegration of the USSR ?
30 years Lancelot, over 30 years have passed since 1991 and this kind of irresponsibility is not acceptable. They had over 30 years to start developing their own turbines and not be dependent on Ukroshitstan Zorya Mashproekt. And while you mention China in the period from 1990 to 2010, I have to write to you that the construction of project Type-054A frigates and Type-052C destroyers began before 2010. So, the Chinese already hinted in the zero years of the 21st century in which direction they were going.
Which current Russian warship under construction would you turn against Type-052D and Type-055 destroyers ? Although they are far better armed than the Chinese Type-054A class frigates, the Russian Project 22350 frigates have neither the range nor the arsenal to counter the Chinese destroyers. Only two such frigates are in service after 16 years of construction - 16 years!!! I have already written about the fact that only American and Chinese warships have universal VLS, while European and Russian ships use separate VLS for air defense systems.
Lancelot, who needs "technical support" now, the Chinese or the Russians ?

ALAMO wrote:First of all, don't forget the totally different role of the navy for both countries.
WMF task is to protect the nuclear missiles carriers, and that is very much of it ...
Russian trade to this very moment was made by the land corridors and pipes ...
While China is strongly dependant on global trade executed by sea.
China is objectively speaking 5x bigger economy than the Russian one, so just multiply the Russian numbers by 5 ...
And what you will have - is more or less what we see.
Still, all Russian fleet modernization projects are much more effective than let's say European.

No bro, you're wrong this time. The fucking French and Italians have built 19 frigates of the FREMM class since 2007, and even the USA ordered 20 "Constellation" frigates based on those frigates.