Syrian War: News #12

max steel wrote:This may interest you : https://twitter.com/inbarspace/status/850386949697404928




also here (the same) : https://twitter.com/Bivi_17/status/850438241564192768


I don't know how much are they reliable given Russian Mod claiming that  out of 59 BGM-109s launched against  Shairat only 23 struck targets. The damage to runway, as was stated as a main objective, is minimal to non-existent. Why 62% of Tomahawks never struck a stationary target? Make your own conclusions. What is known for sure now, is that there were no Pantsir AD complexes around the airbase, neither S-300 or S-400 engaged targets.

There weren't Russian Pantsirs, S-300 and S-400, but SAA have their own Pantsirs and Buks. Not in large numbers, so they could cover areas with squads, not with full batteries. A squad of SAA pantsirs could be on path of Tomahawks, not around air base. 36 missing Tomahawks could only mean, that a squad of SAA Pantsirs was very effective.

GarryB wrote:Pantsir on its own could shoot down 2-3 cruise missiles at once for each Pantsir vehicle so a battery could deal with dozens of cruise missiles at one time...

No, Pantsir have 4 channels to guide 4 missiles on 4 targets. Tomahawks didn't fly all together, but one after another. When missile hit the target, that channel is free to lock another target. With 4 chanels Pantsir could lock and shot down missiles one after another untill all 12 missiles are fired.

Does anybody remember the two (cruise?) missile attack launched by the US towards Damascus in 2013? The closest we got to how the missiles were brought down by the Moskva was:

"the US forces fired these two rockets from a NATO base in Spain, and were instantly detected by the Russian radars and confronted by the Russian defense systems, so one of them exploded in the airspace and the second one diverted towards the sea."

I always interpreted this to mean that Russia spoofed GPS signals, and/or overloaded the electronics with a directed radio or microwave attack. We've seen further evidence since then with the black sea event and the recent BUK attachment which provides a 10km defensive zone against incoming missiles.

So why bother firing expensive missiles from the s300 and s400 systems, when you can use cheap microwaves to take these old birds down? Looks to me like two thirds of the flight self-destructed or crashed from ´directed EW, whilst the rest had to rely on outdated internal guidance and missed.

Rather than wailing that Russia refused to help by not firing anti-missile missiles, I actually think we can take this as an amazing demonstration of how effective their air defences actually are.

So as far as I understand that's what happened
1. Chemical attack (unknown details)
2. Outcry and Trump admin pressured
3. Saturational attack as show of force (US used loads of cruise missiles as they thought they will be intercepted)
4. Low casualties, low damage to airfield and equipment. Russian personel nowhere to be seen.
5. Trump bashers still not happy, probably because there was no russian casualties (???)
6. Russian troops are back in the airport and even Syria is operating it like nothing happened

Wtf is this circus??

No, you didn't lost, it's just you were the last winner

https://scontent.fsgn5-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17799940_260539104408651_4071419362790732336_n.jpg?oh=45c6ce14d4629026821bfffc00407820&oe=59606AC6

Anyway, my respect to Bolivia

Regular wrote:So as far as I understand that's what happened
1. Chemical attack (unknown details)
2. Outcry and Trump admin pressured
3. Saturational attack as show of force (US used loads of cruise missiles as they thought they will be intercepted)
4. Low casualties, low damage to airfield and equipment. Russian personel nowhere to be seen.
5. Trump bashers still not happy, probably because there was no russian casualties (???)
6. Russian troops are back in the airport and even Syria is operating it like nothing happened

Wtf is this circus??

It's 100.000.000$ stupidity designed for local daily political consumption in USA. Probably with some kabuki contribution from Russia.

Also, signal that war is approaching the end. SAA needs to finish of Idlib and Hama. Kurds will take Raqqa.

This war is very far of the end. Very far. Since 2003, and to continue long time.

Isos wrote:That sounds like US and Russia planned this togather. Russia is annoyed by Assad attacking civilians and Trump needs to be accepted by US citizens so that they don't take him out of the white house.

There was no major dammage at the air base, Russians were there to monitor the attack with drones, no big diplomatic crises, the visit of US official next week still planned ...

Are you taking the piss? What utter complete BS....

Was looking for this earlier, but couldn't find it.

Is there any concrete evidence for the claim that Russian EW was brought into play during the US missile strike? Assuming it's true that only 23 of 59 tomahawks reached their targets and the rest failed, I can only think of two plausible explanations: EW was in play, or BGM-109 are sh*t.

The implausible explanation is that the whole thing was planned or staged with Russian cooperation to get T off the hook with his Russiagate antagonists, and to allow the US deep state blow off some butt hurt.

BKP wrote:Is there any concrete evidence for the claim that Russian EW was brought into play during the US missile strike? Assuming it's true that only 23 of 59 tomahawks reached their targets and the rest failed, I can only think of two plausible explanations: EW was in play, or BGM-109 are sh*t.

The implausible explanation is that the whole thing was planned or staged with Russian cooperation to get T off the hook with his Russiagate antagonists, and to allow the US deep state blow off some butt hurt.

FIrst thing first. .Tomawacks missiles are very very very easy to shutdown ,
if you have good intelligence and know the path they are flying. THis is because they are very slow flying missiles. So Russia trains a lot to shutdown
subsonic missiles like tomahacks with combat planes and verba manpads.

You can easily shutdown them with planes if you know their direction their
trajectory. take a look how any planes can easily chase them.



that said , this is 80's technology. They are only good against third world nations but will not have a chance against a country like Russia with all their defenses there. not a chance. For sure the terrorist in homs ,had gps antennas courtesy of NATO to help the guidance of the missiles.

However they can penetrate any place if fired by surprise attack in big numbers and the air defenses not activated. somewhere i read , Syria S-200s takes 5 minutes to be ready before used. So in that valuable time ,missiles can enter in a surprise attack. Probably the 23 missiles ,that penetrated Syria were the first ones fired but once the defenses started ,they began to be intercepted.

Syria navy himself intercepted Obama missile attack in 2013 ,where 4 tomahacks were intercepted.

My best guess is US will continue firing cruise missiles ,using more chemical fake attacks of the CIA , and could fire them from the persian gulf.  So Russia will do good to upgrade Syrian air defenses in Homs and the logistics in IRAQ to warn Syria whenever another attack start.

The ideal defenses to target cruise missiles are mobile launchers ,
like Pantsirs and Tors. Cruise missiles will not defeat Syria air defenses,
because they have mobile defenses.

Russia supersonic missiles in the other hand can't be defeated by planes or manpads, they fly too fast. and is much more complicated. The Kalibrs missiles Russia use ,they can be configured for supersonic speed at the expense of less range.

The cruise missiles were supposed to neutralize the base and today is being operational again by Syrian airforce.

So they are over rated. They will have no chance to penetrate a country like Russia,China,IRAN with control of all its territory with proper defenses. Venezuela could be turned into an impenetrable zone too ,it have a big land. by Syria only having about 35% control of its territory ,it have significantly decreased its capability to create air defenses that are deep in territory. Ideally it will have been if Syria had air defenses deployed on all its borders. but they do not control the borders with most of its neighbors.

Reported Syrian losses to the US cruise missile attack;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2539567.html

Syria will be the place where the 21st century's fate as a unipolar or multipolar order will be decided. If the US can bring down Assad and force Syria into the sphere of Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab extremism, the West will have gained at least another 2-3 decades of unfettered imperialism.

zorobabel wrote:Syria will be the place where the 21st century's fate as a unipolar or multipolar order will be decided. If the US can bring down Assad and force Syria into the sphere of Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab extremism, the West will have gained at least another 2-3 decades of unfettered imperialism.

Nope...

franco wrote:Reported Syrian losses to the US cruise missile attack;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2539567.html

Then Syria lost:

6 Su-22
3 MiG-23
1 Su-6 (partially)
1 M-600 iranian surface-surface system
some artillery pieces

It seems not a big damage

eehnie wrote:

franco wrote:Reported Syrian losses to the US cruise missile attack;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2539567.html

Then Syria lost:

6 Su-22
3 MiG-23
1 Su-6 (partially)
1 M-600 iranian surface-surface system
some artillery pieces

It seems not a big damage

Look infowars.com

No idea if truth but The Syrian army is saying they knew of the attacks days before they happened. So they moved their planes from their bases and others too. So probably those planes were broken and did not fly and were left there for distraction.  

But there is conflicting reports about whether or not US told Russia
about the attacks before they happened. You have infowars saying they warned Russia 30 minutes before they happen ,but read somewhere
that Russia denied this.

What is clear now ,however is that Americans fake war against terrorist in Syria is over ,they no longer are hiding their intentions ,that are in an undeclared war against Syria.. using as pretext the "chemical attacks".

Is also know clear that the Trump administration was lying when told it
was going to allow Assad to remain in power. All that was a distraction.
To later say.. oh we wanted to peace but this chemical incident changed us.
So it was a lie. The Russian defense ministry says , the attacks were planned weeks earlier. Because those missiles had to be programmed the flight path long before and it was a complex process. That it will have been impossible
for Trump to order in just 48 hours an attack on that base ,unless the missiles had previously the data a weak earlier the flight path to attack.

So Trump knew he was going to attack Syria and still REx came to say in
Turkey just 2 days earlier of the attack that.. "Assad will stay" bla bla bla.. it was a lie. he was acting as if US was going to restore relation with Russia.perhaps it was done ,to mislead Russia and Syria about the intentions of American warships near their coast.

“Two suicide bombings in Baghdad.12 people died in a blast, many wounded…”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhL5jJ6ua_A

Since the attack on Syria , is looks like officially the cooperation is over
between Syria-Russia and US. And they not allowing American planes to fly anywhere close their positions. Reports already about Syrian army firing
at an american drone flying close to their base.

http://russia-insider.com/en/report-syrian-army-attacks-us-drone-northeastern-syria/ri19508

Forcing it to leave.

in other news.. there are contradictory reports of whether or not
US warned Russia about the attacks. My bet is they didn't.

Vann7 wrote:
in other news.. there are contradictory reports of whether or not
US warned Russia about the attacks. My bet is they didn't.

The Russians would have had to have been given at least 30 minutes warning as that was the flight time from the destroyers location off Crete.

The US would have had to have said what the target was because if the Russians had seen the launch of that number of missiles with no idea of where they were headed (at them?) all hell would have let loose.

Rebel assault on Zuwayqat front was stopped

Read that Graham told a TV show that Al Queda absorbing the other Syrian rebels was a good thing as it should dilute the radicalism of Al Queda.
Did anyone else hear this?
I'm afraid I don't care enough to do a search... plus he just raises my blood pressure to hear him or McCain talk.