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3K55 "Bastion" will be rearmed on hypersonic missiles THIS YEAR... And RANGE you ask ? More than 1000 kilometers..
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БРАВ ВМФ России перевооружат комплексы «Бастион» на новые гиперзвуковые ракеты в 2022 году
В 2021 году береговые ракетные-артиллерийские войска (БРАВ) ВМФ России укрепили свои позиции. Министерство обороны страны решило расширить их возможности в этом году, пишут «Известия».
Информаторы в Минобороны рассказали, что в составе БРАВ ВМФ России появятся дополнительные подразделения. На данный момент в БРАВ включены около восьми дивизионов комплекса «Бал». Планируется, что в скором времени начнется их перевооружение на новые ракеты. Первыми оснастят бригады Северного и Черноморских флотов.
Кроме того, ведомство перевооружит береговые ракетные комплексы (БРК) «Бастион» на новые гиперзвуковые ракеты в 2022 году. Это поможет увеличить дальность действия комплексов до 1-1,5 тысячи километров.


Coastal troops of the Russian navy will be REARMED to new hypersonic missiles.
In 2021 coastal missile-artilery troops of Russian navy have had reinforced their positions. Russian MOD has decided to spread capabilities of missile-artilery troops. Informants in the Ministry of Defense have said that additional units will appear in the BRAV of the Russian Navy. At the moment, BRAV includes about eight divisions of the "Ball" complex. It is planned that their rearmament with new missiles will soon begin. The first will equipped the brigades of the Northern and Black Sea fleets.

In addition, the department will re-equip the Bastion coastal missile systems (BRK) with new hypersonic missiles in 2022. This will help to increase the range of the complexes to 1-1.5 thousand kilometers.

Arrow wrote:Bastion systems will be equipped with Cirkon missiles.

Yes, so it seems.

Which has interesting implications for countries near Russian borders and coastal areas...

For instance coastal batteries near St Petersberg or Kaliningrad need to appreciate that these mach 10 1,000km range plus missiles are fully multirole and can be used against ground as well as sea targets... that is going to shift the balance... wonder how many kms from Russian territory they will be basing those F-35s they all seem to want to get...

GarryB wrote:Which has interesting implications for countries near Russian borders and coastal areas...

For instance coastal batteries near St Petersberg or Kaliningrad need to appreciate that these mach 10 1,000km range plus missiles are fully multirole and can be used against ground as well as sea targets... that is going to shift the balance... wonder how many kms from Russian territory they will be basing those F-35s they all seem to want to get...

Distance between Kaliningrad and Warsaw is 277 km
Distance between Kaliningrad and Berlin is 527,32 km
Distance between Kaliningrad and Stockholm is 535 km
Distance between Kaliningrad and London is 1417,36 km. If the range of those missiles is up to 1500 km.
Distance between Kaliningrad and Paris is 1403 kilometers.
Distance between Kaliningrad and Vilnius is 306 km.

The INF Treaty only happened because at the time there was an European anti-nuclear political protest movement and the Soviets could put weapons in Cuba.
With the mollified European population nowadays the protests are highly unlikely to happen in the first place and the US itself couldn't care less about how many  Europeans would die in such a conflict.

The ones who would typically do such protests, like Germany's Green Party, seem to have switched to a position where military nuclear weapons are ok, but civilian nuclear power is not.

**** that shit they have the Zirkon now.

Just like they can't stop su-30 production for the much better su-35/57 they will risk keep buying a less powerful missile while they have the Zirkon to replace it. Reason : none.

What makes you think it's cheaper ?

Zirkon is a scramjet, onyx a ramjet. They both have no moving parts in their engines. Size is similar and electronics also similar. Zirkon has better materials but that doesn't makes it way more expensive.

Price is the same. Specially if we talk about an upgraded Onyx that uses every possible parts from Zirkon.

We can easily conclude zirkon can totally replace Onyx.

Heat resistant material are long known and mastered. And they aren't that expensive.

Tsirkon is for AEGIS ships, after they´re sunk Onyx can cope with the carriers or amphibious ships. 
Also good enough for most land targets. 

January 27, 08:45

The developer of "Onyx" does not plan to increase the range of the rocket yet
Alexander Leonov, General Designer of the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya, noted that the company is working on options for upgrading and improving performance

REUTOV / Moscow region /, January 27. /TASS/. It is not planned to increase the flight range of the Onyx supersonic missile yet, Alexander Leonov, general director and general designer of the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya, told journalists on Friday.

When asked by TASS whether the company is working to increase the range of the Onyx missile to 1,000 kilometers, he replied: "We are not working to increase the range [of Onyx] to 1,000 kilometers, I say right away."

“Of course, we are working on options for upgrading and improving performance, including range, everything will depend on what requirements the customer will have,” he said.

The Bastion coastal missile system with the Oniks supersonic missile developed and manufactured by the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya (part of KTRV and Soyuzmash) was originally conceived as an anti-ship missile. During the operation in Syria, it began to be used to destroy ground-based radio-contrast targets of militants, and later it was used during a special military operation in Ukraine. Onyx missiles are also in service with a number of ships and submarines of the Russian Navy.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16899431

There are lots of aspects of a missiles performance other than range that are important, the fact that they continue to upgrade the missiles performance is the key component and operational experience in Syria and the Ukraine will allow them to improve the design and make it better.

Their might even be changes they can make to make it cheaper and easier to mass produce, which might not impact performance but would make producing them in useful numbers much easier.

People forget that it is not good enough to be a good system... having the best anti tank missile in the world is of little use if they are 10 million dollars a shot and you only buy 50 for your armed forces... and they end up using them against bunkers and enemy infantry positions.

Having a weapon that is not as good but is less than $5K and you make thousands of them including specialised versions with HE Frag warheads for hitting point targets like unarmoured vehicles or sniper positions from 10km away is much much better even if it isn't fire and forget.

I rather suspect the Russians wont want to go back to the INF treaty... the numbers listed above showing the distances to targets... once those Zircons have taken down major SAM sites they can start launching ground launched Kh-101s with 4,500km range to sneak into European countries and blow things up.

They not only have to buy more tanks and artillery and ammo and MANPADS and ATGMs because of all they have donated to Kiev, but they are going to need to get an air defence system sorted out because their current air defence capability is pathetic.

The 4,500km range of the Kh-101 will mostly come from the fact that they fly at medium altitude at a low throttle setting to conserve fuel till they get 1,000km from the target and then drop down and follow a sneaky indirect path to the target.

Launched in Europe a low flight path would probably reduce its flight range to perhaps 2,500km which would be plenty to hit any target in Europe.

They will quickly replace it with Zirkon. Why bither with that old missile when they have the beast Zirkon. Price tag shouldn't be that much different since both use engines with no moving parts.

Its mach 2.5 speed at low altitude isn't a game changer. Aster, Stabdard, HQ missiles can all intercept it.

Mach 10 Zirkon is waay better. Just go with it.

The already produced Oniks can be used from ground launchers in ground attack mode for which it is still very good.

June 23, 02:20
Military operation in Ukraine
The source spoke about the effectiveness of the DBK "Bastion" in the SMO against ground targets
Initially, the coastal missile system was developed as an anti-ship

KRONSTADT, June 23. /TASS/. The Bastion coastal missile system with the Oniks supersonic missile showed high efficiency in hitting ground targets during a special military operation in Ukraine. This was reported to TASS on the sidelines of the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2023) by a source close to the military department.
"At the initial stage of the special operation, several dozen Onyx missiles were used against enemy ground targets. They confirmed the high effectiveness of the complex," the source said, noting that the RF Ministry of Defense had repeatedly reported the facts of the combat use of the Bastion missile defense system.

He recalled that for the first time "Bastion" developed by the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya (part of the Tactical Missiles Corporation) was used against ground targets of terrorists during the operation of Russian troops in Syria.

DBK "Bastion" was originally conceived as an anti-ship. During the operation in Syria, it began to be used to destroy ground-based radio-contrast targets of militants.

According to data from open sources, the range of destruction of the Bastion ballistic missile system is about 500 km, and work is also underway to increase the range of the missiles of the complex.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18093953

https://tass.com/defense/1766439

MOSCOW, March 27. /TASS/. Russia's P-800 Oniks supersonic anti-ship cruise missile for Bastion mobile coastal defence systems will receive new active homing devices, allowing to strike Ukrainian ground targets with greater precision, a source in the Russian defense industry told TASS.

"Initially designed as anti-ship missiles, Oniks received the capacity of striking the adversary’s ground-based facilities with greater precision due to its new active homing device," the source said.

Another source added that "simultaneously, the work is under way to make Oniks missiles invulnerable to Ukrainian electronic warfare equipment."

TASS has received no official confirmation of this information at the time of the publication.

The P-800 Oniks anti-ship cruise missile, marketed in export as the Yakhont, was engineered by the Reutov-based Research and Production Association of Machine-Building (part of the Tactical Missiles Corporation). It can be fired by Bastion coastal defense missile systems, surface ships and submarines. The missile was designed to attack vessels and coastal targets in the environment of electronic warfare and also has techniques for evading air defense fire.

The Oniks missiles have been repeatedly employed in delivering strikes against terrorists’ ground targets in Syria and during the special military operation in Ukraine.