Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

One factor in favour of the Pr 1144s is that the vessels seem to have been well preserved while sitting at their moorings. Not only does steel corrode at slower rates in the cold northern climates, but the use of impressed-current cathodic protection systems will fully protect steel from corrosion, provided the anode beds are replaced as needed and the voltage levels surveyed on a regular basis. It would also help if they have purged the vessel interiors with nitrogen gas and sealed them to eliminate internal corrosion and kill vermin (it also gets rid of unwary trespassers and looters...).

When there is no money for 15 years exactly what can they do to retain their knowledge and experience?

besides when the money starts flowing the first thing they had to do was upgrade all their tooling and systems... then they needed to hire and train a new workforce... and the best way to learn to use new tooling is to use it to build actual ships and subs.

The problem is that building a corvette is not the same as building a frigate or a destroyer or a cruiser.

Also, while systems and equipment is standardised so the UKSK launcher in a corvette is the same as the UKSK launcher in a cruiser... the difference being the corvette might have one launcher while the cruiser might have 10 or more and the systems they are plugged into will be different... the radar and sensors on a cruiser will be larger and more powerful than those on a corvette.

the fact is that most of the new stuff to be added to the older vessels to upgrade them will likely be related to the new modular stuff that would be put into a new build ship anyway.

the problems of integration will be greater, but over time the mass production of specific parts will reduce their costs and make maintainence and use easier and cheaper.

The new reactors they are designing could be fitted to the Kirovs as a good way to get operational experience with them now instead of 15 years time.

Nuclear-powered cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will join Navy at the turn of the 2020s

MOSCOW, October 23 - RIA Novosti. The nuclear-powered missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" at the turn of the 2020s will replace the flagship of the Northern Fleet, "Peter the Great", which in turn will go to repair, said Friday the TV channel "Russia-24", Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Vice-Admiral Victor Bursuc.

Universal vertical launchers ЗС-14 for the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

The official website of procurement of "PO" Sevmash "contains information on the conclusion of the agreement with JSC" KB SM "(St. Petersburg, is a concern of "Almaz-Antey") for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers [UVLM] ЗС-14-11442М, for the modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442.

Production will be carried out on the basis of terms of reference "Modification UVLM 3C-14-22350 complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M" [3K14 - universal shipboard firing system (UKSK) "Calibre", 3M55 - anti-ship missiles "Onyx" , 3K22 - probably with antiship missile system / hypersonic (?) rocket "Zircon"].
One UVLM unit is designed for eight rocket places, so after upgrading the cruiser will carry 80 anti-ship missiles, as previously reported Navy Commander Chirkov. Before upgrading anti-ship missile armament of the ship involved "Granit" (20 rockets on a launcher).

The estimated price of the contract is defined in the 2559 mln.Τhe term of the contract is set to end ιν 2018. Enforcement will be carried out in stages. At the first phase, will be made one deliverable sample UVLM. In accordance with the decision, it will be subjected to standard tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the booth of the manufacturer (standard factory testing). After obtaining positive results of the design documentation UVLM ЗС-14-11442M will be assigned letter "O".

In the second phase will be produced nine UVLM, scheduled on a monthly basis to produce one with the completion of the installation phase by May 2017. Cost of production - 2 217 million.

The third phase will be issued technological equipment necessary for commissioning works at UVLM and the second phase of a type test sample UVLM first deliverable and deliverable set of sample loading means [SPC]. It includes the 3M-54T ORM [dimensions and weight layout antiship missiles 3M-54T "Caliber"] 3M55GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"] 3M22GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M22 "Zircon"] . Performance time for Phase 3 - December 2016, Price - 78 million rubles.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1544307.html

George1 wrote:Universal vertical launchers ЗС-14 for the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

   The official website of procurement of "PO" Sevmash "contains information on the conclusion of the agreement with JSC" KB SM "(St. Petersburg, is a concern of "Almaz-Antey") for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers [UVLM] ЗС-14-11442М,  for the modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442.

   Production will be carried out on the basis of terms of reference "Modification UVLM 3C-14-22350 complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M" [3K14 - universal shipboard firing system (UKSK) "Calibre", 3M55 - anti-ship missiles "Onyx" , 3K22 - probably with antiship missile system / hypersonic (?) rocket "Zircon"].
One UVLM unit is designed for eight rocket places, so after upgrading the cruiser will carry 80 anti-ship missiles, as previously reported Navy Commander Chirkov. Before upgrading anti-ship missile armament of the ship involved "Granit" (20 rockets on a launcher).

The estimated price of the contract is defined in the 2559 mln.Τhe term of the contract is set to end ιν 2018. Enforcement will be carried out in stages. At the first phase, will be made one deliverable sample UVLM. In accordance with the decision, it will be subjected to standard tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the booth of the manufacturer (standard factory testing). After obtaining positive results of the design documentation UVLM ЗС-14-11442M will be assigned letter "O".

In the second phase will be produced nine UVLM, scheduled on a monthly basis to produce one with the completion of the installation phase by May 2017. Cost of production - 2 217 million.

The third phase will be issued technological equipment necessary for commissioning works at UVLM and the second phase of a type test sample UVLM first deliverable and deliverable set of sample loading means [SPC]. It includes the 3M-54T ORM [dimensions and weight layout antiship missiles 3M-54T "Caliber"] 3M55GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"] 3M22GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M22 "Zircon"] . Performance time for Phase 3 - December 2016, Price - 78 million rubles.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1544307.html

This sounds good, versatility will be increased greatly.

Great news...

Some more talk about the Nakhimov receiving Zircon hypersonic missiles...the missile is planned to be finished around 2020....it would be a pity if these ships don't receive the S-500

http://warfiles.ru/show-98495-krylatye-rakety-cirkon-glavnaya-sila-kreyserov-1144.html

Wait... So Nakhimov has been delayed?

Kimppis wrote:Wait... So Nakhimov has been delayed?

For about one year it seems.

Can anyone elaborate?

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1573597.html

PapaDragon wrote:
Can anyone elaborate?

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1573597.html

So the ship is going to have Fort-M which is a derivative of the S-300 for the navy.  So it will have the same SAM system as the Peter the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Pyotr_Velikiy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile)#FM

It talks about launchers front and rear for Fort-M... I wonder if that means they will have more launchers ready to fire?

I was hoping they would go for a more elaborate new vertical launcher upgrade with fixed vertical tubes like Redut. It seems they are going with the older launcher with multi missile revovling vertical launch systems with 8 or so missiles for each hatch... rather more complicated IMHO.

Instead of which a fixed grid of launch tubes where the missiles remain fixed and are not moved into alignment with launch hatches is simpler and a more efficient use of internal space.

The Fort-M is a similar size to the large S-400 missiles so in terms of upgrading to the new missiles it would be much cheaper and simpler.

The late model Fort-M has a range of 250km and active radar homing so is a potent enough SAM for the role.

max steel wrote:Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles

Zircium, already??

max steel wrote:Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles

80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive

franco wrote:80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive  

Floating 'Death Star'

But I doubt it will be equipped with the Zircon straight away...probably some time post 2020

Pics from IMDS2015 of possible application of Zaslon MF AESA radar for upgrading the Kirovs.

Regarding Zircon it is the replacement missile for Onyx and will be designed to fit in the standard UKSK vertical launch system... so presumably when it is ready for service every new Russian vessel and vessel upgraded with UKSK tubes will be able to carry and use it... from corvette to carrier...

I would assume in addition to replacing Onyx with a hypersonic missile they will also likely upgrade Kalibr with a longer ranged model too.

Firebird wrote:Is that pic of an upgraded Kirov class?
Or is it some concept art for an enlarged Leader class cruiser/similar?

There seems to be quite a lot of changes vis a vis the current Kirovs.

Also, I wonder if a Kirov could be "stealthified"?

Finally, I wonder what long term plans they have for the Kirov hulls.
Maybe ICMB or intercontinental cruise missile carrying? Maybe they could hold the huge generators for laser defence and EM guns? Maybe as a launch base for smaller satellites?

The pictures were for marketing and a rough concept of how Zaslon's naval radar can applied in various systems. Such as being included in the modernisation program for Nakhimov and Pyotr Velikiy and other naval ship projects. No news about a contract being awarded to Zaslon for possible new radar systems for the kirovs.. yet.

Modern phased arrays would generate a much higher quality search and targeting over what they have now, and  would drastically help with target discrimination and less susceptible to jamming if it works with other radar systems operating at different bands. Like the Poliment 5P-20K AESA on the Gorshkov-class frigate, they also have a much higher surface and air search volume, and can track many times more targets, and detect them at longer range, than Kirov's current systems. So it would make sense if the navy was looking to upgrade the electron systems to work with new missile systems as well, and companies like Zaslon, want a piece of the pie.


As for stealth re-construction of Kirov's superstructure, it's probably unlikely since the main focus of the refit and upgrades of Nakhimov are its armament. Also funds.

The kirov class vessels were already considered rather stealthy in terms of RCS.

I remember a british naval professional once said that when tracking a Kirov the radar return was much smaller than would be expected from such a large vessel and that it was the size of the wake that usually identified the vessel as being a Kirov as opposed to being a much smaller vessel.

This was mainly due to the internal nature of all the primary weapons.

Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumour that the hull and reactor/propulsion of the Ural SSV-33 intelligence ship (a Pr 1144 hull) is being preserved rather than scrapped? "Recent" photos of the hulk show the superstructures almost completely removed, but the hull appears intact.

Could the Russian military be mothballing the Ural with a mind to rebuilding her in the future as a Kirov Mk 2?

Big_Gazza wrote:Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumour that the hull and reactor/propulsion of the Ural SSV-33 intelligence ship (a Pr 1144 hull) is being preserved rather than scrapped?  "Recent" photos of the hulk show the superstructures almost completely removed, but the hull appears intact.

Could the Russian military be mothballing the Ural with a mind to rebuilding her in the future as a Kirov Mk 2?

Orr nuclear sysatem-6 drones mother ship More seriously building a warship on her IMHO is no good idea costs can be prohibitively high comparing to results.

Maybe something like EW/ Railgun / Laser ship?

Currently, the company "Sevmash" is undergoing renovation and modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", work on it is scheduled for completion in 2018. repair of the cruiser "Peter the Great" will be held in 2019.

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I check (https://maps.yandex.ru) and Nuclear Cruiser Admiral Lazarev left recently dry dock in Dunay for Bukhta Abrek bay after basic repair and paint.
I wish he will go soon for overhault like Admiral Nakhimov.  
Not far from him is Ivan Rogov BDK A Nikolayev .... another goog candidate for overhault after Mistral collapse and BDC Ivan Green delays.