Incidents in Russia (Natural Disasters, Accidents and Emergencies)

sepheronx wrote:[url=http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151111/1029902593/a321-crash-investigation-egypt.html]Cairo Approves Participation of US Specialists in A321 Crash Investigation Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151111/1029902593/a321-crash-investigation-egypt.html#ixzz3rA8SKbQ2[/url

If I was Russian leader, I would tell them they do not have permission to touch the aircraft or go near it, as it isn't their property, under the pretext of their botched operations on Mh-17.

Agree 100 %. Is there some protocol that stipulates US involvement? If not, keep them well away. It's not their business.

BKP wrote:

sepheronx wrote:[url=http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151111/1029902593/a321-crash-investigation-egypt.html]Cairo Approves Participation of US Specialists in A321 Crash Investigation Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151111/1029902593/a321-crash-investigation-egypt.html#ixzz3rA8SKbQ2[/url

If I was Russian leader, I would tell them they do not have permission to touch the aircraft or go near it, as it isn't their property, under the pretext of their botched operations on Mh-17.

Agree 100 %. Is there some protocol that stipulates US involvement? If not, keep them well away. It's not their business.

Agreed also, the us may well be experts in aircraft investigation but the political climate should exlude them from assisting in the investigation, unless its something that the russians cannot physically do themselves.

Also,

Can we move the historical discussion about finland to an appropriate place?

US officers, Western media, Kiselev, Sputnik and other idiots should should shut up. It seems they are speculating the fuck out of just to get attention to themselves. FFS, pushing agendas left and right

Regular wrote:US officers, Western media, Kiselev, Sputnik and other idiots should  should shut up. It seems they are speculating the fuck out of just to get attention to themselves. FFS, pushing agendas left and right

All those you mention have an agenda, from one extreme, to deceive, to the other, to report the truth. They all want to get their message across and to overwhelm other messages. It seems to me that the more 'complete' a message is close to a tragedy the more likely it is that it may have been prepared before that tragedy and be cleverly designed to obscure or bury other messages. That has been PSYOPS for a very long time.

In this case, being heavily and from the start promoted by the West is a bomb, whilst the main options being discounted are SAM and structural failure and being buried is an AAM. I have an open mind.

Those of us on the outside will often never know what actually happened.

Left hand, right hand

CAIRO (Sputnik) — The Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has not received information on an alleged visit by US experts to the site of the Russian A321 plane crash in the Sinai Peninsula, a ministerial spokesperson said Thursday. "There is such a report in the media, but we have not received any official request and don’t know anything about them. No one was visiting," the spokesperson told RIA Novosti.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry confirmed on Wednesday that US investigators would be allowed to join the investigative team as the engines of the crashed plane had been manufactured by the US-based Pratt & Whitney company.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151112/1029968007/egypt-a321-crash-site-us-experts.html#ixzz3rGyPpGdS

The last seven seconds of the flight recorder from the Kogalymavia flight 9268 that crashed in the Sinai Peninsula on October 31 will be decrypted outside of Egypt, the country’s Minister of Civil Aviation Husam Kamal told the local newspaper al-Ahram in an interview.

On October 31, the Airbus А321, operated by the Russian airline Kogalymavia en route from the Egyptian resort of Sharm El-Sheikh to St. Petersburg, crashed in the Sinai Peninsula, killing all 224 people on board. Currently, an investigation process to find out the causes of the plane crash is taking place.

"This sound [the last seven seconds of the flight recorder] will be analyzed using special equipment which most countries don't have. So the last seven seconds from the black boxes recording will be sent to one of the countries where the crashed plane was manufactured," the Egyptian Minister said.

Earlier, a commission investigating the tragic incident reported that the initial analysis of the voice recorder detected noises of an unknown origin. To find out the nature of these unspecified noises a special spectral analysis of the recorded data would have to be done.

On Tuesday, Vice President of Communications at Airbus Stefan Schaffrath said that the Airbus A321 was fully functional prior to the tragedy, thus rejecting the version of a technical failure as the cause of the accident.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151113/1030050192/russian-airbus-a321-black-box-egypt.html#ixzz3rO6NRIsb

FSB say traces of explosive have been found on the wreckage and luggage and say it was a bomb. http://lifenews.ru/news/170236

Khepesh wrote:FSB say traces of explosive have been found on the wreckage and luggage and say it was a bomb. http://lifenews.ru/news/170236

Yeah, but the question remains, how did MI6 know that it was a terrorist attack before a formal investigation was completed? I think it's official now that MI6 are handlers of ISIS, and it explains why de facto ISIS supporter Anjem Chaundry, hasn't been deported yet. He's been aiding MI6 efforts to radicalize Muslims in the U.K., especially the ones linked the Brixton Mosque.

Egyptian Authorities Detain Two Airport Workers Over Russian A321 Bombing

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151117/1030245992/airport-arrests-russian-plane-bomb.html

Egyptian officials have arrested two Sharm el-Sheikh airport workers on suspition of aiding terrorists in planting a bomb on board the Russian plane A321, according to security staff.

Two employees of the Sharm el-Sheikh airport have been detained by local authorities in connection to the Russian A321 Metrojet crash.

"Seventeen people are being held, two of them are suspected of helping whoever planted the bomb on the plane at Sharm al-Sheikh airport," a security officer was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Most of the apprehended were on duty at the airport on the day of the Kogalymavia bombing, a source at the airport told Sputnik. "They are being subjected to constant questioning," the source said, adding that there was no official information on the arrests of those on duty that day.

Egyptian authorities have not yet confirmed the arrests.

Earlier, the Russian Security Service (FSB) confirmed that a bomb was the cause of the A321 passenger airliner crash over Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, which killed all 224 people on board. Russia's President Vladimir Putin vowed to find those responsible for this terrorist act and bring them to justice.

I like the sound of highlighted part...

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Khepesh wrote:FSB say traces of explosive have been found on the wreckage and luggage and say it was a bomb. http://lifenews.ru/news/170236

Yeah, but the question remains, how did MI6 know that it was a terrorist attack before a formal investigation was completed? I think it's official now that MI6 are handlers of ISIS, and it explains why de facto ISIS supporter Anjem Chaundry, hasn't been deported yet. He's been aiding MI6 efforts to radicalize Muslims in the U.K., especially the ones linked the Brixton Mosque.

Peskov announced that britain and russia have exchanged information about the crash during the investigation. So the answer to your question may well be there. I dont see wny suspicions from the russian side about how or why britain knew, that will possibly come out in the future.

Not sure how you jumped to The conclusion that mi6 are now the handlers of isis though, quite a strange jump to make on so little info

PapaDragon wrote:

I like the sound of highlighted part...  

The Ancient Egyptians were very good at extracting information, then punishment, in the most terrible ways, copied later by "Vlad the Impaler", and I think their descendants have not forgotten.

I suspect that an active operation has been ongoing since the day after the bombing, if not later on the same day, to hunt down the terrorists, and all the official talk of let's wait for evidence etc was simply talk to cover what has been happening under the surface.

So its official now then, it was a terrorist attack, and combat missions in syria will be intensified.

The terrorists are so retarded, the more atrocities they commit, only brings their own deaths and destruction closer, really, whats the point in it?

Rodinazombie wrote:

So its official now then, it was a terrorist attack, and combat missions in syria will be intensified.

The terrorists are so retarded, the more atrocities they commit, only brings their own deaths and destruction closer, really, whats the point in it?

I'd be more satisfied if the destabilization was exported to Turkey and the GCC states.

Rodinazombie wrote: Not sure how you jumped to The conclusion that mi6 are now the handlers of isis though, quite a strange jump to make on so little info

Because MI5/MI6 has a very long history micromanaging far-right extremists...

MI5's support for Benito Mussolini:

Recruited by MI5: the name's Mussolini. Benito Mussolini

Mussolini worked for MI5 agents


MI6's support for Haroon Ashid Aswat:

Guys, when was the last time airliner was taken out by terrorists (not mafia or cartels) with bomb planted on board in a luggage? Haven't heard about it in decades. This means that all that airport security sucks just as much as before 9/11...

zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

Told you so. Kthxbye.

PapaDragon wrote:
Guys, when was the last time airliner was taken out by terrorists (not mafia or cartels) with bomb planted on board in a luggage? Haven't heard about it in decades. This means that all that airport security sucks just as much as before 9/11...

As far as I remember, 11 years ago, when Chechen terrorists blew up a Tu-134 and a Tu-154 in the same day in 2004, some days before taking the Beslan school. Two passengers were suicide Chechen women who boarded the planes with their luggage carrying the bombs.

So polite, the man of steel. The last sentence should send a chill down someone's spine. From Fortrus

Our aviation should not simply continue military operations in Syria, but enhance them so as to make it clear to the criminals that vengeance is inevitable.

I would like to ask the Defence Ministry and the General Staff to make their proposals. I will check the progress of this work.

I would like the Russian Foreign Ministry to turn to all our partners. We rely on all our friends in these efforts, including our search for and punishment of the perpetrators.

We will act in compliance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which envisages the right of a state to self-defence.

Whoever tries to help the perpetrators ought to know that they would bear full responsibility for any attempts to harbour them.

I would like all our special services to focus on this work.

"15 people killed, 10 others in intensive care after Mi-8 helicopter crash in East Siberia

KRASNOYARSK, November 26. /TASS/. According to the latest data, fifteen people have been killed and 10 others are in intensive care after the Mi-8 helicopter crashed in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, in Eastern Siberia, a senior aide to the local transport prosecutor has said. "At the moment, 15 people have been killed and 10 people are in intensive care, one is being retrieved from the destroyed fuselage of the helicopter," Oksana Gorbunova told TASS.



It was earlier reported that twelve people were believed to be dead after the crash. The helicopter was carrying 25 people, including 22 passengers and three crew members. "The helicopter has fallen in the Yenisei [river] and is lying on the ice. People are being evacuated," local police told TASS. The helicopter was en route from Igarka to an oil production facility in Krasny Selkub. The emergencies ministry said the helicopter made a hard landing in a difficult access area some 2 kilometers from the airport of Igarka and its fuselage was destroyed without catching fire."

Source: http://tass.ru/en/society/839443

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote: Not sure how you jumped to The conclusion that mi6 are now the handlers of isis though, quite a strange jump to make on so little info

Because MI5/MI6 has a very long history micromanaging far-right extremists...

MI5's support for Benito Mussolini:

Recruited by MI5: the name's Mussolini. Benito Mussolini

Mussolini worked for MI5 agents


MI6's support for Haroon Ashid Aswat:

Haroon Sshid Aswad... I never heard of him before. He must be so much important figure then.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote: Not sure how you jumped to The conclusion that mi6 are now the handlers of isis though, quite a strange jump to make on so little info

Because MI5/MI6 has a very long history micromanaging far-right extremists...

MI5's support for Benito Mussolini:

Recruited by MI5: the name's Mussolini. Benito Mussolini

Mussolini worked for MI5 agents


MI6's support for Haroon Ashid Aswat:

Haroon Sshid Aswad... I never heard of him before. He must be so much important figure then.

Most of them are figureheads anyway, if one of them dies they're just as easily replaced.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Haroon Sshid Aswad... I never heard of him before. He must be so much important figure then.

Are you trying to create the perception that you know every important person then?

George1 wrote:Oil spill from grounded Russian tanker contaminates 3,500 meters of coastline

The Nadezhda oil tanker ran aground near the port city of Nevelsk on Sakhalin Island in Russia's Far East on Saturday

YUZHNO-SAKHALINSK, November 30. /TASS/. Some 3,500 meters of coastal territory in the Russian Far East have been contaminated by oil spill from the grounded Russian tanker, the press service of the regional emergencies ministry said on Monday.

The Nadezhda oil tanker ran aground near the port city of Nevelsk on Sakhalin Island in Russia's Far East on Saturday. The vessel, with eight people onboard, carrying 786 tons of fuel oil was some 150 meters off the shore.

"The contamination of the coastline by oil products has been found on the territory of 3,500 meters," the ministry said in a statement.

Rescuers have disposed around 105 cubic meters of contaminated sand. The effort to deal with the consequences of the incident is expected to take at least two weeks.

Sounds like a small coastal tanker. At least by the description it was refined fuel oil rather than crude. Its a lot easier to clean up or let nature process it.