Syrian War: News #13

PapaDragon wrote:
@nomadski

VKS is Russian acronym for Aerospace Forces



Map by Peto:

KiloGolf wrote:Much better:

Syrian Army, Allies Setting Up Fortifications At Iraqi Border, North Of At Tanf

miketheterrible wrote:

Militarov wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Militarov wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

No they have all the manpower they need.

The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.

They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.

Was a typo hit the 1 key by accident, only now just noticed it.

Ah, figures. Tho they are probably abit higher than 30k atm. Not much but abit.

No way.  The areas held by Assad have population in the millions.  They can and probably have more soldiers than you guys are claiming.  Hell, Novorussian forces have more soldiers than that and their population overall is much smaller.

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like SAA is within reach of Arak:


4 Km only to Arak Field East Homs Syrian Mod

https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/873594415943745542


army is in outskirts of arak field

https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/873602399763648512

@Suriyak‏ @Suriyakmaps  12 minutes ago

#Homs #SAA liberated Al Talila reserve & have reached outskirts of #Arak Gas Fields. #RoadToArak pic.twitter.com/KsitZiWPy4

Vasto‏ @v4st0 2 minutes ago

Eastern #Homs: Government forces reached outskirts of the Arak gas field. HD MAP: https://i.imgur.com/w6iKu0z.jpg pic.twitter.com/kqav1uY4XH

Vann7 wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:
The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

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The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

The Americans major goals.
1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
 passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

Vann7 wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:
The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

===============
.

The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

The Americans major goals.
1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
 passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.

And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.

From the point of view of Israel.. lol   They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.

From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.

NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:
The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

===============
.

The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

The Americans major goals.
1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
 passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.

And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.

From the point of view of Israel.. lol   They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.

From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.

NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.

You have the big picture...just draw some conclusions I don't agree with when coining things as "won" and "lost". Say for example, if a thief comes to you and tries to steal 50 rubles, you thwart him off in the ensuing fight but in the process 10 rubles are torn. You can claim you won yes....as the theif didn't get what it wanted but you still lost 10 rubles and you're 10 rubles poorer. I think if you work with that pov in mind you'll see winners and losers in a whole different light. Aggressor parties benefit from chaos.....sometimes they "win" big, sometimes they win little but they still win something they didn't have before.

eehnie wrote:

I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

BKP wrote:^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.

But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.

Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?

eehnie wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.

But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.

Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?

Look at the map. Saudi, Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti, is the same thinking about pipelines, from a US point, all would go to Saudi Arabia, and later 2 options Israel or Egipt. Even Jordan can be bypassed.

Tons of absurd propaganda here.

JohninMK wrote:

BKP wrote:^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.

Not correct. Qatar currently exports huge quantities by LPG tanker. US has processing plants and the Russians are planning them.

BKP wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

BKP wrote:^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.

Not correct. Qatar currently exports huge quantities by LPG tanker. US has processing plants and the Russians are planning them.

I didn't mean in all circumstances. Obviously that's not the case. It's just not viable for the aim of cutting Russia as a major supplier of NG to Europe. The governing structures of Europe (troika) would probably be willing to pay some greater amount to achieve it, but not a vastly greater amount.