Syrian War: News #13

Busy tonight in Syria

Ivan Sidorenko‏ 6m6 minutes ago

#Syria #SyrianDesert #Syrian_Desert Aerial strikes & Intense artillery targeting al-musaytiba hill @ Eastern Suwayda CS

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.

But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.

Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?

Look at the map. Saudi, Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti, is the same thinking about pipelines, from a US point, all would go to Saudi Arabia, and later 2 options Israel or Egipt. Even Jordan can be bypassed.

And about the last question, the same way than from Algeria or Lybia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenstream_pipeline

Tons of absurd propaganda here.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Don't you feel sometimes that you are a lone voice in the wilderness?

As one of the main progandists, having problems to deal with the reality of gas pipelines crossing the Mediterraneum sea.

Ok, so all in.
"mother of all battles" (at least in the east) is Dez-Or, it now all about Dez-Or, all in.
Let the Kurds eat dust, those betrayers should get a lesson, turks will eat them happily.
you want to betray the Syrian state again, eat s..., there will be no more daddy russia to help, you betrayed daddy, daddy is angry.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like the Turks are at it again up north, looks like they are trying to disrupt the Raqqa offensive by getting the SDF and maybe SAA to send troops back to defend their rear. Could benefit the SAA if this delays any ISIS move towards Deir when they are ejected from Raqqa.


I think Syrian border guards & local NDF withdrew from West Manbij buffer zone especially since recent YPG aggression & aligning with Saudis

Looks like Kurds received a reminder of how fragile and dependant their little ego project really is.

Just for laugh. I love the sources.

If the Saudi's could have easily done such a thing they would have done this ages ago

Before you can even have a slight idea of where a pipeline could go down why don't you go to school for like 80 years at least to know even half of the dam material you would need to know before making such a claim.

It would be bonkers of me to say "Hey you can put a pipeline down here instead"

so much money and times goes into getting a route and it takes hundreds of experts. One guy cannot make such a silly claim.

Granted the pipline was also a deal between the saudi's, qatar and Turks at a time. It wasn't just Saudi Arabia who wanted it. The pipeline is also one reason of dozens.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:If the Saudi's could have easily done such a thing they would have done this ages ago

Before you can even have a slight idea of where a pipeline could go down why don't you go to school for like 80 years at least to know even half of the dam material you would need to know before making such a claim.

It would be bonkers of me to say "Hey you can put a pipeline down here instead"

so much money and times goes into getting a route and it takes hundreds of experts. One guy cannot make such a silly claim.

Granted the pipline was also a deal between the saudi's, qatar and Turks at a time. It wasn't just Saudi Arabia who wanted it. The pipeline is also one reason of dozens.

For sure I have a far better idea than you about where and how can be built a pipeline. For sure.

And for sure I know far better than you the reasons why has not been done before.

Only reading tons of propaganda here.

(With what you said, you proved to have 0 idea, but if you want to change my mind, we can begin to talk about the pressure scalar field or the velocity vector field inside a pipeline)

There are credible observers out there who have said the pipeline theory is BS, like in this article:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37685-the-war-against-the-assad-regime-is-not-a-pipeline-war

I'm not totally decided one way or the other. Although, if it has been an aim, those behind it had to realize it was pretty far fetched. Pipeline building can be difficult even under more favorable circumstances. Regardless, the theory isn't necessary to form an understanding of the motivation behind the assault against Syria.

BKP wrote:There are credible observers out there who have said the pipeline theory is BS, like in this article:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37685-the-war-against-the-assad-regime-is-not-a-pipeline-war

I'm not totally decided one way or the other. Although, if it has been an aim, those behind it had to realize it was pretty far fetched. Pipeline building can be difficult even under more favorable circumstances. Regardless, the theory isn't necessary to form an understanding of the motivation behind the assault against Syria.

If the said is not enough there is one obvious aditional thing.

There is not economic ballance to build a pipeline that can absorb the cost of a war.

BKP wrote:There are credible observers out there who have said the pipeline theory is BS, like in this article:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37685-the-war-against-the-assad-regime-is-not-a-pipeline-war

I'm not totally decided one way or the other. Although, if it has been an aim, those behind it had to realize it was pretty far fetched. Pipeline building can be difficult even under more favorable circumstances. Regardless, the theory isn't necessary to form an understanding of the motivation behind the assault against Syria.

PResident Assad himself ,told in one interview one of the reasons Saudis and Qatar attack Syria is for the pipeline. Because he told no. So perhaps so called "Experts" know more than Assad"?



SO the syrian war have many objectives, Israel objectives ,Turkey objectives , Qatar and SAudi Arabia objectives and US-France and UK objectives. They not necessarily oppose each other.their goals since all of them wants Assad out. However Americans wanted a Kurdistan in Syria created and Erdogan not. While Israel only interest is to destroy Syria completely or at least totally partitioned and weak. and create a buffer zone between Syria and IRAQ ,to isolate Syria from IRAN.

and the terrorist wants a Sharia Law state. So only factions how have won are kurds and Turkey won some land. But neither Kurds and neither Turkey will be able to hold their regions
if their economies collapse. Kurds will continue land locked ,and will still depend on Syria for communication to the outside world ,by land or by air or sea. Because they will not have passage using TUrkey territory ,neither IRAQ. So if Kurds in Syria create their "Independence"
it will be a Symbolical one. and not a real one. because will have to negotiate with Syria for access to the outside world if want to have business. Every supplies will have to come from Americans and only if Syria keeps its airspace permanently opened. In other words. Kurds independence is a Myth. In real practice it will not happen. Because to create a country you need a trade route ,you need access to Air and Acess to mediterranean sea. and Kurds have none. Syria can also bomb any airport Kurds build too. So they are doomed. Kurds sooner or later will learn that Not every country can be independence.  This is the same problem with Chechenia in RUssia and other muslim republics. it can connect with the outside world since land locked.

So assad will have plenty of ways to pressure Kurds ,and demand them to abandon its independence or even retreat from some captured lands. Kurds without Syria cannot exist
as a civilized nation. without Airports, without trade with foreign nation. etc.  Kurds oil ,can't be sold either outside without help from Syria government or IRAQ or Turkey. something to think about.

So how things stand now?
-Syria if they hold positions ,will depend on Russia,China,IRAN and IRAQ trade to exist
  ,because will be isolated its economy from the world by US ,Europe.
- A kurdistan in Syria will depend 100% on Americans. Because if they refuse to cooperate with
  Syria ,and do not return some of their lands they will become isolated from the world. because to enter Kurds zone ,you need to travel through the airspace of Syria or Turkey or IRAQ. So Kurds will face reality ,that if they push for Independence against Syria and Russia
and Turkey interest , then they will be a Failed State. And Americans will need to feed them .
and provide electricity etc. Not going to happen.  If Syria can hold a connection with IRAQ and IRAN ,this will mean a major trade Route open ,really good for Syria and also the possibility of joined fights between IRAQ army and Syria to fight ISIS.  not good for NATO. or Israel.
Iran also will have access to mediterranean sea by land through IRAQ . Just like before the war started. but now relations will be much closer and allow the 3 nations to create a military alliance with a major road and a pipeline that will link them. and this also will allow Russia to take it more easier ,and just leave the fighting to them ,and only use its airforce only when there is a need for it.

SO kurds will learn Independence is fantasy for them. They will realize they dont have airport
for trade ,no ports for trade ,they are agriculture mostly. and oil. but to trade those ,they need cooperation with Syria.   and the kurds in IRAQ ,they are not secular. they do not get along with the secular Kurds in Syria. SO Kurds are doomed big time. they only took territory ,for free that later will need to return to Syria. because they need to eat , need electricity etc.
and a simple air raid on a thermal plant will ruin their business for months. And any plane that illegally enter Syria controlled zones shutdown. So Kurds are doomed in reality , will depend 100% on NATO flights from Turkey to their zones for supplies and depend that Syria allows it.
to keep its airspace open once the war end. So Syria and Russia will have plenty of ways to pressure Kurds in Syria to cooperate. IF we assume things continues the same way and no major changes... with Syria little by little gaining back ISIS zones. then the only major pain Syria will have is Turkey in IDLIB.  but Russia will need to play and negotiate for that. A simple collapse of Turkey economy or that they see zero progress and development on their economy and just become a parasite state, will make those terrorist in Idlib want to surrender and leave because no one will like to leave in a dead city that there is nothing to do. So Syria should make sure that IDLIB become a failed city ,without electricity and business ,that will be easy for their airforce .      So they will become tired on living in a dead city. it will also drain Turkey economy. So is a very very good idea too flood IDLIB with "freedom fighters" from all
parts of Syria. that will mean more people for Turkey to feed. That will create endless tensions and fights when you mix terrorist from different nationalities. a total failed city. that will not last. for long and its occupiers simply leave it.  So Russia/Syria/IRAN have plenty of Tools to recover 100% Syria territory without a fight. Just diplomacy and politics and tactics. But this will be possible only if Russia manage to convince Americans to stop its war against Syria.
With Qatar closer a little more to Russia ,after the gulf crisis ,the possibilities are very real.
Only Israel and US are the wild cards now ,that can still prolong the war. So the dangers are not yet over , the war in Syria can become full scale at any time ,with another major agression of US or Israel. but possibilities for Syria to retake all are real. if they manage to hold territory it have and strengten their military positions and nation economy.and continue advancing.

Ahh, yes... it could not possibly be money that makes Qatar fight Assad... it must be they want to fight for freedom for the Syrian people... Hahahahaha.

The pipeline is not the only reason but it is an important reason...

To convert Syria into a like minded Sunni shithole is another reason... the US is the same... but really it is more about money that they oppose putins commie regime in russia.

Of course they would take all the contracts to pump all the oil and gas in Russia for the next 100 years if they could... A Russia they controlled and owned would be safe for the whole world and what a better world this would be... but putin would not remain in power... just like Assad would not.

Vann7 wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:
The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

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The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

The Americans major goals.
1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
 passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.

And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.

From the point of view of Israel.. lol   They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.

From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.

NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.

Syria as it is/was - sovereign, debt-free, secular, pan-Arab, opposed to Western hegemony, historically opposed to Zionist Israel and resistant to Wahhabi/Islamic extremism project, a natural ally to Iran and other countries/groups sharing similar views and interests - its very existence in this shape makes it ripe for invasion by itself.

Anyway, agreed for the most part. However, pipelines from Qatar to blast Russian economy, while one of the major reasons/goals for sure, is not to be separated and considered a primary goal. That said, taking down Hezbollah/Iran is also a major goal and cannot be considered just a "bonus" whatsoever.
So there are always more major goals i.e. major benefits of invasion - 'seven at one blow'. Even with pipelines out of the picture, Western puppet government in Syria would mean A LOT of trouble in every way, not only for Russia but for Iran/Hezbollah and even any resistance to Israel/West in the whole world in general.
For Israel, with a lot of extra breathing space i.e. no Syria in the way, a complete takeover of Lebanon would follow and without Hezbollah on the border the fight would be taken to Iran itself. This would result in Iran fighting for survival and Palestine being technically erased from existence very fast. Israeli vision of the region (and the world) would witness a major leap thus the world itself would change a lot in a relatively short time (especially if Iran gets taken down for good, which would be highly probable).
Russia, after paying a big price for losing in Syria, now also has to fight terrorists and whatnot on its borders + no Iran in play + damaged interests and shift of policies of other important players added to this formula and things get really bad, with or without the pipelines.

ISIL’s Baghdadi killed in Raqqa: Syrian State TV

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:45 A.M.) – The Islamic State’s (ISIL) leader and founder, Ibrahim Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, was allegedly killed by an airstrike in Raqqa City, Syrian State TV reported this morning.

While no other other media outlet has claimed Baghdadi has been killed, there were reports of heavy airstrikes over the provincial capital of Raqqa last night.

Without confirmation from the Islamic State’s official media wing, Al-‘Amaq, or images to validate this claim, it is too hard to verify the rumor at this moment.

The terrorist leader has been allegedly killed on numerous occasions in the past; however, all of the rumors were later proven false.

Source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isils-baghdadi-killed-raqqa-syrian-state-tv/

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The terrorist leader has been allegedly killed on numerous occasions in the past; however, all of the rumors were later proven false.

Well, maybe this is another false flag or just some random brainstorming of the Syrian TV, or maybe Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi is a cat (with nine lives) ... just kidding BTW

Looking at this new Peto map you can see the start of a two pronged, both ways round the road triangle, move on Deir and a good reason for the SAA activity SE of Palmyra. Possibly with PMU help when they strike north.

PapaDragon wrote:

eehnie wrote:..........
Now the US is crazy trying to promote war with the Kurds. Crazy. No-one except the propagandists here will follow the shit about.

Kurds themselves volunteered for that war USA is "promoting" and if they don't switch their brains back on real soon and fall in line with Damascus they will have war and then some

The lies about clashes with the Kurds begin to collapse.

If someone, only the US and their secret services have been attacking the Syrian gouvernment, but now even the US denies to take part.

They are fooling no-one, like the fool no-one with the supposed Kurd attacks in Iran/to Iran.

FFS Arak seems to be impossible to win. Month after month and no progress, what's going on?

Durruti Column‏
@DurrutiLive1

#Syria
ISIS has released images of its terrorists trying to fend off the advance by Syrian troops and Lebanese militia Hezbollah in Arak

r/‏ @bzdt5 1m1 minute ago

#syriancivilwar: A topographic map showing why it's imperative for ISIS to hold Arak and Suknah (after that relatively flat terrain all the way to Deir ez-Zor)

Hassan Ridha‏ @sayed_ridha 1 hour ago

Hassan Ridha Retweeted Peto Lucem
Main obstacle for SAA in their offensive to break the siege on DeirEzzor is Sukhnah town, once it is liberated there is only flat desert

lol

Heavy clashes between Qatar+Turkey backed jihadis&Saudi backed jihadis in Turkish occupied #EuphratesShield area.
casualties/rumours of 43 killed.

KiloGolf wrote:
FFS Arak seems to be impossible to win. Month after month and no progress, what's going on?

Slow advance, with small number of troops. IS fighting and dying like there is no tomorrow. But SAA is advancing everyday.

ATGM strike on SAA.
In video that you posted, you can see destroyed IS tank.

24 Resistance Axis‏ @Syria_Hezb_Iran 7 minutes ago

#BREAKING // EAST #HOMS CS
#ResistanceAxis have made siginificant progress on a frontline of 18 KM towards #Arak & T3

24 Resistance Axis‏ @Syria_Hezb_Iran 4 minutes ago

#BREAKING // EAST #HOMS CS
#SAA took control over the hills & mountains alongside #Arak - #Sukhnah HWY, fortifying its positions

ISIS seem to be giving the SDF a hard ride in Raqqa.

If, as it seems, they believe they are going to die a martyr anyway, many perhaps seem to want to do it in a town they may have been in, perhaps with family, for a while rather than in a pickup in the middle of nowhere like they heard that others had, courtesy the RuAF not allowing free exit.

Hassan Ridha‏ @sayed_ridha 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @sayed_ridha

IS regains the 17th Division base north of Raqqa while SDF takes control of Roumaniyah neighbourhood

The Turkish grip looks to be increasing in the north. Can't see them giving that up easy

Feru‏ @Al_Feru 19h19 hours ago

ANF has released map of Turkish military bases in KDP-controlled areas of Iraqi Kurdistan.

JohninMK wrote:ISIS seem to be giving the SDF a hard ride in Raqqa.

If, as it seems, they believe they are going to die a martyr anyway, many perhaps seem to want to do it in a town they may have been in, perhaps with family, for a while rather than in a pickup in the middle of nowhere like they heard that others had, courtesy the RuAF not allowing free exit.

Hassan Ridha‏ @sayed_ridha 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @sayed_ridha

IS regains the 17th Division base north of Raqqa while SDF takes control of Roumaniyah neighbourhood

Time for the SDF to evacuate Tabqa dam and airbase and concentrate on Raqqa. Time for them to actually fight a little bit, so far it's been a fricken sideshow over there.

In other news.. Good Lord scratch:

24 Resistance Axis‏ @Syria_Hezb_Iran 3 minutes ago

Recent pictures of Americans & their mercenaries stationed in Zakaf military base, ~60 KM NE of #Tanf, #BadiaAlSham