Ivan Sidorenko 6m6 minutes ago
#Syria #SyrianDesert #Syrian_Desert Aerial strikes & Intense artillery targeting al-musaytiba hill @ Eastern Suwayda CS
JohninMK wrote:Couldn't have put it better myself.eehnie wrote:JohninMK wrote:You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.eehnie wrote:
I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.
But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.
Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?
Look at the map. Saudi, Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti, is the same thinking about pipelines, from a US point, all would go to Saudi Arabia, and later 2 options Israel or Egipt. Even Jordan can be bypassed.
And about the last question, the same way than from Algeria or Lybia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenstream_pipeline
Tons of absurd propaganda here.
Don't you feel sometimes that you are a lone voice in the wilderness?
eehnie wrote:..........
Now the US is crazy trying to promote war with the Kurds. Crazy. No-one except the propagandists here will follow the shit about.
JohninMK wrote:Looks like the Turks are at it again up north, looks like they are trying to disrupt the Raqqa offensive by getting the SDF and maybe SAA to send troops back to defend their rear. Could benefit the SAA if this delays any ISIS move towards Deir when they are ejected from Raqqa.
I think Syrian border guards & local NDF withdrew from West Manbij buffer zone especially since recent YPG aggression & aligning with Saudis
PapaDragon wrote:JohninMK wrote:Looks like the Turks are at it again up north, looks like they are trying to disrupt the Raqqa offensive by getting the SDF and maybe SAA to send troops back to defend their rear. Could benefit the SAA if this delays any ISIS move towards Deir when they are ejected from Raqqa.
I think Syrian border guards & local NDF withdrew from West Manbij buffer zone especially since recent YPG aggression & aligning with Saudis
Looks like Kurds received a reminder of how fragile and dependant their little ego project really is.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:If the Saudi's could have easily done such a thing they would have done this ages ago
Before you can even have a slight idea of where a pipeline could go down why don't you go to school for like 80 years at least to know even half of the dam material you would need to know before making such a claim.
It would be bonkers of me to say "Hey you can put a pipeline down here instead"
so much money and times goes into getting a route and it takes hundreds of experts. One guy cannot make such a silly claim.
Granted the pipline was also a deal between the saudi's, qatar and Turks at a time. It wasn't just Saudi Arabia who wanted it. The pipeline is also one reason of dozens.
BKP wrote:There are credible observers out there who have said the pipeline theory is BS, like in this article:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37685-the-war-against-the-assad-regime-is-not-a-pipeline-war
I'm not totally decided one way or the other. Although, if it has been an aim, those behind it had to realize it was pretty far fetched. Pipeline building can be difficult even under more favorable circumstances. Regardless, the theory isn't necessary to form an understanding of the motivation behind the assault against Syria.
BKP wrote:There are credible observers out there who have said the pipeline theory is BS, like in this article:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37685-the-war-against-the-assad-regime-is-not-a-pipeline-war
I'm not totally decided one way or the other. Although, if it has been an aim, those behind it had to realize it was pretty far fetched. Pipeline building can be difficult even under more favorable circumstances. Regardless, the theory isn't necessary to form an understanding of the motivation behind the assault against Syria.
Vann7 wrote:ATLASCUB wrote:
The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....
We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.
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The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.
The Americans major goals.
1)Over Run Syria To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was
to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.
So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.
So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.
From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.
And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.
From the point of view of Israel.. lol They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.
From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.
NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.
The terrorist leader has been allegedly killed on numerous occasions in the past; however, all of the rumors were later proven false.
PapaDragon wrote:eehnie wrote:..........
Now the US is crazy trying to promote war with the Kurds. Crazy. No-one except the propagandists here will follow the shit about.
Kurds themselves volunteered for that war USA is "promoting" and if they don't switch their brains back on real soon and fall in line with Damascus they will have war and then some
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ISIS has released images of its terrorists trying to fend off the advance by Syrian troops and Lebanese militia Hezbollah in Arak
r/ @bzdt5 1m1 minute ago
#syriancivilwar: A topographic map showing why it's imperative for ISIS to hold Arak and Suknah (after that relatively flat terrain all the way to Deir ez-Zor)
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha 1 hour ago
Hassan Ridha Retweeted Peto Lucem
Main obstacle for SAA in their offensive to break the siege on DeirEzzor is Sukhnah town, once it is liberated there is only flat desert
KiloGolf wrote:
FFS Arak seems to be impossible to win. Month after month and no progress, what's going on?
24 Resistance Axis @Syria_Hezb_Iran 7 minutes ago
#BREAKING // EAST #HOMS CS
#ResistanceAxis have made siginificant progress on a frontline of 18 KM towards #Arak & T3
24 Resistance Axis @Syria_Hezb_Iran 4 minutes ago
#BREAKING // EAST #HOMS CS
#SAA took control over the hills & mountains alongside #Arak - #Sukhnah HWY, fortifying its positions
JohninMK wrote:ISIS seem to be giving the SDF a hard ride in Raqqa.
If, as it seems, they believe they are going to die a martyr anyway, many perhaps seem to want to do it in a town they may have been in, perhaps with family, for a while rather than in a pickup in the middle of nowhere like they heard that others had, courtesy the RuAF not allowing free exit.
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @sayed_ridha
IS regains the 17th Division base north of Raqqa while SDF takes control of Roumaniyah neighbourhood
24 Resistance Axis @Syria_Hezb_Iran 3 minutes ago
Recent pictures of Americans & their mercenaries stationed in Zakaf military base, ~60 KM NE of #Tanf, #BadiaAlSham