US-India Defense Ties

Sujoy wrote:

GarryB wrote:The fact that you joined such an alliance suggests what sort of neighbour you are being...

What sort of neighbor are we being? China repeatedly vetoes UN efforts to blacklist Pakistan based Islamic terrorist groups that regularly targets India.

https://time.com/5551266/china-block-un-blacklist-masood-azhar/

Did Russia side with India during last year's confrontation between India & China..NO. And Russia will suggest that we are not obliged to.

So why shouldn't India build a coalition of countries that are at the receiving end of Chinese belligerence.

More importantly, India imports a whole lot of military hardware, oil and gas from Russia. Payment for these imports has to be made in US dollars. If India refuses to maintain good relations with US and as a result of this if the US restricts India from using either the US dollar or from availing the SWIFT system how is India going to pay Russia?

China-US trade is 10X that of US India trade. Russia still considers China to be an ally.

Russia refrained from taking sides diplomatically but it provided India all the arms and ammo it asked for as part of emergency measures, even despite the Chinese side suggesting to Russia that wouldn't serve peace in the region.

flamming_python wrote:Russia refrained from taking sides diplomatically but it provided India all the arms and ammo it asked for as part of emergency measures, even despite the Chinese side suggesting to Russia that wouldn't serve peace in the region.

By suggesting that the West was responsible for encouraging India to fight against China, Russia in essence blamed India for the flare up. While it is indeed true that the US is trying to start a war between India & China, last year it was China that invaded India and not the other way round.

As far as supply of arms and ammo to India are concerned the only contracts that Russia is fulfilling right now are those that were signed a few years ago. Imports of arms, ammo as a result of ongoing hostilities with China is not taking place. Some systems are on offer like the Sprut SDM1.

https://asiatimes.com/2021/04/did-delhi-just-yield-the-indian-ocean-to-the-us/?mc_cid=13bdcd0a22&mc_eid=5455568640

By suggesting that the West was responsible for encouraging India to fight against China, Russia in essence blamed India for the flare up.

No. By pointing out that the west was RESPONSIBLE, Russia in essence blamed the west for the flare up... while suggesting India is perhaps a bit naive and too trusting of the west and a bit easily led.

It is OK... that is what the west does... it lies and makes all sorts of promises to try to get what it wants, but in this case what it wants will be very very bad for India.

While it is indeed true that the US is trying to start a war between India & China, last year it was China that invaded India and not the other way round.

I would focus on the first bit.

If countries invading the territories is so bad then look at who you are getting into bed with....

As far as supply of arms and ammo to India are concerned the only contracts that Russia is fulfilling right now are those that were signed a few years ago. Imports of arms, ammo as a result of ongoing hostilities with China is not taking place.

Wasn't there an emergency purchase of planes and missiles and ammo made... taking advantage of cutting through all the normal red tape of needing competitions etc because of the emergency status of the orders?

The incident with the US ship in Indian waters just shows you the tale of the scorpion and the frog holds true.

For those not familiar, a frog is in a river and sees a scorpion walking up and down the bank on one side so he goes over and asks what he is doing. The scorpion says he needs to get to the other side. The frog said he could carry him over on his back but he wouldn't because the scorpion might get scared and sting him, but the scorpion said he really needs to get to the other side of the river and that if he stung the frog on the way across he would drown too.

The frog thought about this and agreed to help. Half way across the river the scorpion stung the frog. The frog said why did you do that, now we are both going to die. And the scorpion said, I am a scorpion, it is what I am.

The US breaking Indian rules and bragging to the world is just what America does... just like taking potential rivals and getting them to fight and destroy each other so they stop being rivals to the US and can be ransacked and plundered... resources sold cheap to US companies to pay for all the weapons and ammo they are going to need...

I mean India is going to need a whole new navy to take on China.... that is going to be really expensive... but maybe Indian engineers can get EMALS working for America...

If they did they wouldn't broadcast that to the world... their new CAT systems on their new ships would just start suddenly working... gotta love American knowhow...

India ups US-India ties with MH-60 Romeo helicopter buy

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-us-in-increasing-agreement-on-strategic-issues-including-countering-chinas-aggression-rajnath/article67521531.ece

This is a brilliant move. Bot only does US lose sales,but India is far better building its own drones, it's not as hard as it is designing aircraft. And India could turn to Turkey, Russia etc for help. Another bonus is that they have escaped a rip off deal with USA. The $3 billion deal was for 30 MQ-9B drones( 10 each for airforce, army, navy), yes that's $100 million per drone. Complete rip off.


India Scraps $3B Deal To Acquire Predator Drones From The US; Will Focus On Indigenous UAVs

https://eurasiantimes.com/india-scraps-plans-to-acquire-predator-drones-from-the-us/?amp

This is the F414 engine. main use to date is in the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

The General Electric F414-GE-400 is a 22,000-pound class afterburning turbofan engine. The engine features an axial compressor with 3 fan stages and 7 high-pressure compressor stages, and 1 high-pressure and 1 low-pressure turbine stage. The F414 is designed to maximize time-on-wing, simplify maintenance and keep Life Cycle Costs low. Its six-module engine architecture is reliable, easy to maintain, and interchangeable. With no scheduled overhauls and on-condition maintenance, the F414 maximizes engine availability. At a weight of 2,445 pounds, the F414-GE-400 has a thrust-to-weight ratio of 9. The F414 is an enhanced version of GE's F404. It combines advanced technology with the proven reliability, maintainability and operability of its successful predecessor, the F404, while delivering 35 percent more thrust.


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This is the first time that the US will share what it called a “crown jewel” in its defence capabilities with a non-ally; it is the first time that there will be coproduction of jet engines with a country with which Washington DC doesn’t have a treaty; it is also the first time that the US system is sharing a substantial share of sensitive jet engine technology with a provision for tech transfer ratio to increase.

“It is transformative. India will have access to the full engine. There are no black boxes here. The manufacturing in India is going to start with technology sharing of way over 50% which rises over the production cycle. There will be a flexible licensing agreement. India will have designs and sensitive technology. This is more tech transfer than the US has ever authorised. We are breaking through into new frontiers,” said a person aware of the discussions.

#Velsig #geopolitics https://hindustantimes.com/india-news/us-


The Indian government has given a nod to a proposal by the tri-service (military, air force and navy) to acquire 31 MQ 9-Predator B armed drones worth $3 billion from the United States.

The decision was taken ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s historic state visit to the US on June 21. This is the first major military deal signed by the Narendra Modi government after Indian Navy acquired 24 MH 60 R anti-submarine warfare helicopters from America in February 2020. On Thursday, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) headed by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh approved the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for purchasing armed drones. In the next step, the procurement file would be placed before the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS)—the final decision-making authority—for final approval before Modi leaves for Washington next week.

The CCS, headed by the PM, had given a nod to the manufacturing of General Electric F-414 jet engines in India in collaboration with the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) on June 14. The jet engines would be used in Made-in-India Tejas Mark 2 fighter jet—a single-engine combat aircraft.

These military deals are expected to give major firepower to the Indian armed forces, which face two hostile neighbours—Pakistan and China.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/indian-military-to-acquire-mq-9b-drones-and-f-414-engines-heres-how-they-will-act-as-a-deterrent/ar-AA1cDqR8

Sounds like India is about to get royally fucked when it will come to licensing and parts. They won't get full tech transfer.  But this is the attempt of the US to get India to be stupid (not hard honestly for that country) and buy F-18's that most are getting rid of, and that are questionable in performance to that what India already has.

I doubt it has much to do with Tejas. But if it is, then we shall see the end results.