US-India Defense Ties

They want India to buy arms from amerikan weapons manufacturing companies. That means bringing India at par with NATO. BUY OUR SHIT

I seen the corruption first hand in India. Many in India are dumb enough to fall for this. All they need is to bribe more people. That is OK though. It maybe just heavy wishfull thinking on US side.

Even comments section has Indians rat want India to join NATO..... lol. How pathetic.

No Longer Made in the USA? Lockheed to Expand Weapons Production in India Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160329/1037171087/lockheed-make-in-india.html#ixzz44Kbo74nX

So India is getting F-16's? Was any deal actually signed? I truly feel sorry for Indians who are being lead like sheep over these deals. BTW, there isn't true tech transfer for US equipment. Ask Canada. India will need to obtain cross border hopping technicians from US to service these F-16's like they do in Pakistan and every other country who has them.

sepheronx wrote:No Longer Made in the USA? Lockheed to Expand Weapons Production in India  Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160329/1037171087/lockheed-make-in-india.html#ixzz44Kbo74nX

So India is getting F-16's?  Was any deal actually signed?  I truly feel sorry for Indians who are being lead like sheep over these deals.  BTW, there isn't true tech transfer for US equipment.  Ask Canada.  India will need to obtain cross border hopping technicians from US to service these F-16's like they do in Pakistan and every other country who has them.

They have been offered to locally produce F16IN, Super Hornet, EF2000 and Gripen NG. Each offer was naturally proposed separately. But Indians havent replied to any of the offers from what i am aware.

India Gets Raytheon Stinger Missiles as Part of $3.1Bln Deal With US Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160330/1037218049/raytheon-india-stinger-missiles.html#ixzz44RlFF2F9

Interesting, and not even part of the "Made in India" thing. Guess Werewolf was correct, it was a sham by Modi and US to try to just prevent Russian weapon sales and make US weapon sales. Stingers? You really think they will work for India against Pakistan?

This is getting more ridiculous as the time goes on. Wonder if Indians will fall for this too?

Certainly and Russia has also offered VERBA Manpads to India.

But this is more interesting : Indo-French Surface-to-Air Missile Unveiled at Defexpo

India's state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and MBDA of France will jointly develop and build SRSAM systems in India to meet the requirements of the Indian Navy and other nations' navies.Weighing around 100 kilograms, SRSAM is a Mach 3-class missile, has a range of 40 kilometers, is used for naval air defense applications and is launched vertically to provide 360-degree defense coverage. Sort of like ESSM

The more I hear about India-Russia military projects/deals, the more I am concerned. If they are hasty to sign deals with the West, then what is stopping them giving potentially classified data on joint-Russian projects? Like the Verba for example (if it went through), or more importantly the FG FA.

OminousSpudd wrote:The more I hear about India-Russia military projects/deals, the more I am concerned. If they are hasty to sign deals with the West, then what is stopping them giving potentially classified data on joint-Russian projects? Like the Verba for example (if it went through), or more importantly the FG FA.

India used to be a good partner, but not so much anymore. They rather buy systems with strings attached and a real lack of Indian used components while lying about make in India. The bigger insult is that the US has really treated Indians poorly as history has shown. But Indians education system is piss poor and foreign schools from the west are sought after in India.

sepheronx wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:The more I hear about India-Russia military projects/deals, the more I am concerned. If they are hasty to sign deals with the West, then what is stopping them giving potentially classified data on joint-Russian projects? Like the Verba for example (if it went through), or more importantly the FG FA.

India used to be a good partner, but not so much anymore. They rather buy systems with strings attached and a real lack of Indian used components while lying about make in India. The bigger insult is that the US has really treated Indians poorly as history has shown. But Indians education system is piss poor and foreign schools from the west are sought after in India.

Yes. I'd also say the majority of their problem stems from their media. It's hella complicit with the US narrative, as many have noted here already.

Seems to me that the Indians will sign any contract with the west regardless of how much the product costs... though the line seems to be drawn at the Rafale, but with the Russians they seem to bitch about the price much more... 2 billion for a carrier and air group was a bargain compared with what France wanted for Rafales or the US wanted for C-17s and yet there was so much whining about the delays and price increases despite the same problems of delays and price increases affecting their own indigenous carriers made from scratch.

"The Indian Ministry of Defence has signed an agreement with the U.S. Department of Defense to acquire Stinger air-to-air missiles made by Raytheon Company. As part of the deal, India will receive 245 Stinger air-to-air missiles, as along with launchers and engineering support, the US-based giant announced on March 30, 2016. "India joins nations around the globe who recognize that air-to-air Stinger can be a key component of attack and light attack helicopter mission configurations," said Duane Gooden, Raytheon Land Warfare Systems vice president. "Stinger significantly improves the ability of the aircraft to successfully perform today's missions while countering existing threats."

Combat-proven in four major conflicts, Stinger has more than 270 fixed- and rotary-wing intercepts to its credit. It is deployed in 19 nations and with all four U.S. military services.



India's Stinger acquisition is part of a $3.1 billion deal with the U.S. that includes combat helicopters, weapons, radars and electronic warfare suites. In September 2015, India and the United States signed contracts for the procurement of 22 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters, on which India is likely to equip the AIM-92 Stinger ordered."

Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2016/april/2542-raytheon-to-provide-india-with-aim-92-stinger-air-to-air-missiles.html

India in talks to buy U.S. Predator drones

40 unarmed Predator XP for Indian Navy, and 100 Predator C avenger UCAV for Air force

India, US agree to share military logistics for warships, aircraft


India and the United States have agreed in principle to share military logistics, US defense secretary Ashton Carter said on Tuesday, as both sides seek to counter the growing maritime assertiveness of China.

Washington has been urging New Delhi to sign the Logistics Support Agreement that allows the two militaries to use each other's land, air and naval bases for resupplies, repair and rest.

But after years of dithering, the two sides said an agreement was in hand, although not yet ready for signing."We have agreed in principle that all the issues are resolved. We now need to finalise the draft," Carter said after talks with his defence minister.

New Delhi has had concerns that the logistics agreement will draw it into a military alliance with the United States and undermine its traditional autonomy. But Prime Minister Narendra Modi's administration, faced with an assertive China expanding its influence in the South China Sea and into the Indian Ocean, has signalled its desire to draw closer to the United States. China is also a close ally of India's arch rival, Pakistan.

New Delhi is keen to access US technology for PM Modi's "Make in India" plans to build a domestic defence industrial base and cut expensive arms imports.Carter said the two countries would also soon conclude a commercial shipping information exchange agreement.


History:-

The Logistics Support Agreement (LSA), Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) for Geo-spatial Cooperation are the three foundational agreements that the US has been insisting on India to sign to further enhance the bilateral defence and strategic relationship. The US argues that the CISMOA and BECA would enable technology transfer and seamless communication between the military systems of the two countries. The LSA would help strengthen the capabilities of their armed forces to better deal with the security challenges of the 21st century by correcting logistic deficiencies. The agreements clearly puts emphasis on building interoperability and capacity of the emerging partners through joint military exercises, training, and defence equipment sales.

The rapid global power shift from the West to Asia, rise of an assertive China and its territorial claims, and the emerging non-traditional security challenges have created geopolitical and geostrategic flux in Asia where the US increasingly expects India to play the larger role of a “net security provider”. The US believes that these foundational agreements will facilitate a strong defence and strategic partnership between the two countries and also help India build its defence capabilities to play such a role.

During the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Government, the US had expressed its disappointment over India’s unwillingness to sign these agreements and not clearly indicating any specific reasons for its objections to it. Many Indian security analysts had pointed out that these agreements could lead to a formal India-US military alliance in due course and that it might upset India’s other important defence partners such as Russia. The defence ministry as well as the navy and air force chiefs too were of the view that there was little to be gained by such agreements.

The India-US defence and strategic relationship has dramatically improved since the Narendra Modi Government came to power in May 2014. The two sides have not only agreed in principle to transform from mere buyer-seller defence relationship to joint research, co-development and production of high end defence equipment, but have also signed a “Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region” (January 25, 2015).

The two countries have already finalised four ‘pathfinder projects’ for joint development and production under the Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI), and have expanded their strategic cooperation in the Indo-Pacific region as well. In fact, Modi Government’s current ‘Act East’ policy is now increasingly converging with the Barack Obama Administration’s “rebalance” to the Asia strategy where both sides are proactively engaging the Indo-Pacific countries.

During his visit to the US in December 2015, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his American counterpart Ashton Carter reviewed the growing India-US defence relationship and “discussed ways to implement the defence related aspects of Prime Minister Modi and President Obama’s Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region”. Defence Minister Parrikar was also briefed about the value of signing the foundational agreements. Meanwhile, India has asked the US for “fresh proposals” that addresses its concerns. The LSA currently appears to be a “doable” agreement.

It is important to note that the India-US strategic relationship has significantly improved over the last one-and-a half decade without these agreements. Defence cooperation has been the most visible aspect of this evolving relationship. The US has in fact emerged as the top arms supplier to India and currently India conducts more military exercises with the US than with any other country.

Therefore, with or without these foundational agreements, the India-US defence and strategic relationship is going to expand further including in the areas of joint research, development and production of high end defence technology. However, having these agreements will yield greater benefits for both the nations. Both sides need to make vigorous efforts to build consensus and arrive at a more acceptable version of the agreements, consistent with their respective national interests and policies.

India just signed it's sovereignty off to USA.

Hope Russia has a counter to this. No S-400 to India and no FGFA. Let India get screwed by US rules and regulations. Who would have thought Modi was a tool of USA.

sepheronx wrote:India just signed it's sovereignty off to USA.

Hope Russia has a counter to this. No S-400 to India and no FGFA. Let India get screwed by US rules and regulations. Who would have thought Modi was a tool of USA.

Well I already knew what sort of personality he is and didn't vote him in 2014

max steel wrote:

sepheronx wrote:India just signed it's sovereignty off to USA.

Hope Russia has a counter to this. No S-400 to India and no FGFA. Let India get screwed by US rules and regulations. Who would have thought Modi was a tool of USA.

Well I already knew what sort of personality he is and didn't vote him in 2014

My wife is so upset regarding this. India will end up with no friendly neighbors.

sepheronx wrote:

It's rather pathetic that India is still a tool of Anglo-Saxon Supremacy (aka ASS) several decades after India's independence from Britain.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

It's rather pathetic that India is still a tool of Anglo-Saxon Supremacy (aka ASS) several decades after India's independence from Britain.

Remember when that Polish minister stated Poland is like a cheap prostitute who gives head? Well, India is much the same.

But with current signing agreement, it kinda throw throw whole argument of India being cautious of US. Cause the agreement more or less has turned India into a vassal. But his points are clear and correct: Ashton Carter is there to get India away from Russia and Iran, and to counter China. It will blow back on India really hard too, and they will be alone with no one to back them.

I had hopes India would learn from its past and it's mistakes. Guess I was wrong.

10 things to know

1)LEMOA is a tweaked version of Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) which facilitates the provision of logistical support, supplies and services between the US military and the armed forces of partner countries. American aircraft and warships will soon be able to access Indian military bases and vice versa for refuelling, repair and other logistical purposes.

2)LEMOA is a shift from the policy of the UPA regime. Then defence minister A K Antony, backed by the Left and others, had opposed the three foundational pacts: Logistics Support Agreement, Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA) and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA) - on the grounds that they would "compromise" India's traditional strategic autonomy and give "basing rights" to the US military in the country.

3)Manohar Parrikar and his US counterpart Ashton Carter stressed that Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) did not entail stationing of any US troops on Indian soil, even as officials added that India will not extend support in the event of any US military action against "friendly countries". "We can refuse access to our bases whenever we want," said an official.

4)Top Indian officials clarified that the "reciprocal" logistics pact was just meant to facilitate military cooperation and not aimed at forging any sort of a military alliance against China.

5)Boost to Delhi-Washington military ties-The US is the largest arms supplier to India over last 4 years. The US has bagged Indian arms contracts worth over $14 billion since 2007 and more are in pipeline. India and the US hold several military exercises every year. IAF fighters and aircraft are on way for Red Flag exercise in Alaska from April 28.

6)Collaboration on carrier-India and US are also advancing collaboration in aircraft carrier design and technology, potentially the biggest joint project since they launched a Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) in 2012.
India, which operates a re-tooled Russian-built carrier, plans to build its biggest indigenous carrier, for which is it looking at US technology to launch heavier aircraft."We have decided to take forward discussions under DTTI more aggressively on key areas such as jet engine technology. We will also continue our very useful and productive discussions on cooperation ... on aircraft carriers," Parrikar said.


7)Boost to US's 'Asia pivot'-US has increasingly turned its focus to Asia as it tries to counter China's growing assertiveness in the South China Sea, and is eager for India to play a greater role in its network of regional defence alliances.A senior US defence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said China was "operating more frequently both throughout Southeast Asia and in the Indian Ocean", something both Washington and New Delhi were "watching closely".

8)India and the US will also further bolster maritime security cooperation, which will include stepping up the complexity of its combat exercises and talks on anti-submarine warfare, but there are no plans for joint naval patrols in the contentious South China Sea or elsewhere. "India has not changed its stand (on joint patrols)," defence minister Manohar Parrikar said.

9)India and US will work closely together in the Indian Ocean. Indian forces rarely operate far away from their shores but access to US bases in Djibouti and Diego Garcia could be useful.

10)Boost to 'Make in India'-India, the world's biggest arms importer, wants access to US technology so it can develop sophisticated weapons at home - a key part of PM Modi's "Make in India" campaign to boost domestic manufacturing. US defence secretary Ashton Carter also held talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi later on Tuesday as part of his three-day visit, aimed at shoring up security and defence ties with regional power India.

Full on damage control. We all know that India is pushing for US to stop funding/building up Pakistan like they have for all these years, and US knows they failed hard in Pakistan. So they come to this agreement. May sound OK on paper but you, I and the dog knows that isn't how US does it, and there is enough evidence through history on this. Essentially, US will make sure India is on their side, regardless if Indian politicians are aware of it or not. Signing this agreement is the first step of losing its sovereignty.

That is OK, Russia still can turn around and trade with Pakistan at full force. This benefits Russia actually in the sense that now they can sell to both sides if they so wish much like US can, and Russia can also show goodwill to Pakistan by investments. Since Pakistan is relatively a poor nation for its massive population, and it is under developed on many areas, Russia could probably find Pakistan as a huge partner in production of Russian automobiles in Pakistan, same with the energy sector and medical. Could be other areas too like construction where Russian materials and resources could make good use in Pakistan.

India kinda just opened the floodgates to a problem for itself in the future. We shall see.

Former U.S defense contractor sentenced for passing military secrets to India

A former U.S. defense contractor with access to sensitive U.S. weapons systems has been sentenced to over four years in federal prison for passing information on those weapons to India.

Hannah Robert, 49, had pleaded guilty to conspiracy to violate the Arms Export Control Act by exporting to India military technical drawings without prior approval of the U.S. Department of State, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. She also pleaded guilty to manufacturing substandard components for U.S. weapons systems.

"Hannah Robert circumvented the U.S. government and provided export-controlled technical data related to various types of military technology to an individual in India," Assistant Attorney General John Carlin said in a statement issued Thursday.

Aside from passing military secrets to India, Robert also conspired to send "thousands of technical drawings of defense items and sensitive military data" to another unnamed country, U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman said. An Indian partner of Robert, identified only as P.R., requested by email the documents for a trans-shipper with a United Arab Emirates address selling hardware to an end user in Pakistan.

As the founder and president of One Source USA LLC, Robert had secured contracts to provide technical hardware and spare parts to the Defense Department, according to case documents and witness testimony.

From June 2010 to December 2012, Robert handed over detailed drawings and design blueprints to P.R., including information on components used in the torpedoes on board U.S. nuclear submarines, as well as sensitive technical details for U.S. attack helicopters and F-15 fighters, according to court documents.

Aside from the conspiracy charge, substandard wing pins and other aeronautical components built by Robert's company for the F-15 fighter forced Pentagon officials to ground roughly 47 fighters for inspection and repair in 2012.

Raytheon-BEL Partnership Casts Shadow on India's NCO Program


Despite the Indian Navy's serious reservations, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has quietly permitted state-owned Bharat Electronics Limited to team up with Raytheon of the United States to complete the much-delayed network-centric operation project.

Bharat Electronics (BEL) was nominated by the MoD last year for the second time to build the network-centric operation (NCO) system at a cost of $100 million, and it is scheduled to be ready by early next year.

The system will link crucial assets including shore-based radar networks, aircraft and Indian Navy warships.

The Indian Navy has repeatedly told MoD that it is not in the national interest to acquire hardware and encryption software for the NCO project from a partnership with a foreign company.

"It is not feasible for any sovereign nation to weaken its operational doctrines and operational orders that would flow on" NCO networks developed with a foreign company, said a senior Indian Navy official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"However, the government has taken a complete U-turn and ignored our demand that NCO hardware should be fully developed by an Indian company and encryption software by the Indian Navy itself," the official added.

The NCO project can succeed only if BEL uses sufficient domestic content for the hardware and develops the software completely in India, either in-house or by teaming up with Indian companies, said another Navy official said, adding that Raytheon will have to obtain International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) clearance.

"Even if BEL can make a successful NCO system with Raytheon, the bigger question is upgrades — after five years the hardware will become obsolete and software upgrades will require hardware upgrades," a defense analyst said, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Kiran Visweswaraiah, general manager of international marketing at BEL, said: "We have teamed with Raytheon in January this year and by mid next year [the NCO] will be successfully inducted into Indian Navy."

An executive with Raytheon, who spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed that the company has partnered with BEL for the NCO program and will provide software solutions.

According to Shyam Kumar Singh, a retired Indian Navy captain: "BEL and Raytheon will be able to deliver a successful NCO prototype."

Singh said Raytheon has already delivered advanced systems to the Indian Navy through BEL, including the Athena system, a battle space information network which integrates a wide range of inputs.

The Indian Navy had floated a global tender for an NCO project in 2007, which was sent to Lockheed Martin and Raytheon of the United States, Thales of France, EADS of Germany, Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Rafael of Israel, and BAE Systems of the United Kingdom.

In 2011, Raytheon emerged as the lowest bidder followed by IAI and Rafael. But talks with Raytheon were called off after the firm refused to agree to a full technology transfer to BEL, the designated final production agency, an MoD source said.

In 2012, BEL forged a partnership with Selex Sistemi Integrati S.p.A., a subsidiary of Finmeccanica of Italy to build the NCO system jointly with BEL, but was later barred from participating after the Indian government disqualified large Italian companies following charges of alleged corruption by AgustaWestland S.p.A.

Once the NCO system is operational, it will be deployed near New Delhi and will be networked with over 100 warships in the following five years.