Russian Navy: Status & News #2

Morpheus wrote:
They aren't new.

713: Proekt 1134B, Berkut-B

605: Proekt 1155, Fregat

Oh thanks .. my mistake.. I think they are very old ships of 1985 era..

Hence I think the slanted Anti ship launchers..

If they were new.. I think.. all  these launchers would been embedded into the deck (vertically placed into deck..)
Like the design of modern russian Frigates..

Modern frigates will have multiples of vertical launch tubes embedded into the deck.

Though I will persist that I saw one link from TR1 utube video ..
it was a stereguschy(corvette design) I think 2 ships are already commissioned right now..
they are post 2010 newest Russian designs..but they also have the same (may be smaller) Slanted Anti ship
launch tubes..

It is slightly confusing that they are still not totally dependent on Vertical launch tubes..  

On the other side, The new frigate design have VLS UKSK launchers that is standard.. like project 11356..

Yes the 20380 and 20381 both have anti-ship missiles in slanted canisters, in the middle of the boat. It is a common solution around the world.

20385 however uses the UKSK VLS modules for all of its anti-ship (and land) missiles.

http://vpk-news.ru/news/20274

It keeps getting weirder!

By the end of 2015, when Moskva is going off for repairs (taking Ustinov's place @ Zvezdochka in the north), Kerch will be brought back into service and will act as temporary Flagship of the BSF.

Hmmm. Not out of the ream of possibility, but old man Kerch was slated for decomming soon. Wait and see what the preliminary repairs reveal I guess.

TR1 wrote:
t keeps getting weirder!

By the end of 2015, when Moskva is going off for repairs (taking Ustinov's place @ Zvezdochka in the north),

Thanks for the info.
So,
Do we have any info about the upgrades for air defence systems on the berch .
Those are deadly old may be half a century old designs.
They use Gecko air defense which is totally obsolete.

So what are the plans fro replacing the old medium range air defense and also old close range CIWS on Herch.

TR1 wrote:  22100 coast guard ships

Any info on the weapons systems on these Anti-ship, Air defense .

I don't think there is any intention to modernize the ship- they just want to give it needed repairs so it can function fully in its current state.
It has only gone out for parades in the past several years, and they want a 1st rate ship to be the flagship while Moskva is getting its heavy repairs.

TR1 wrote:Sadly, I don't see how exactly it will be part of Russia again.

Unfortunate timing on my part, re Sevastopol lol.

Anyway will new P-971 Bars submarine be built ?

Any info on the weapons systems on these Anti-ship, Air defense .

one АК-176, two marine 14,5 mm HMGs + Ka-27 and/or rotorwing UAV. All is according to russian wiki

Anyway will new P-971 Bars submarine be built ?

No new submarines of that type. Only modernazation. New Yasen-class submarines will be build instead as I know

Six Russian warships have arrived in Shanghai’s Wusong navy harbor to prepare for the upcoming Joint Sea-2014 naval drills with China.

The vessels will join the Chinese navy in joint military exercises that will begin on May 20 in the waters and air space near Shanghai, in the East China Sea. A total of 14 vessels, as well as a helicopter and a special forces team from Russia, will be used in the maneuvers.

"Different from previous China-Russia sea joint drills, the two sides will mix all the warships together for the first time, and the ships will carry out battle exercises beyond visibility for the first time," said Tian Zhong, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Chinese Navy.

"And submarines and warships will be arranged to fight automatically for the first time. The drill will help promote joint military capability between the two countries to face new threats and challenges," he said.

The warships are part of Russia’s Pacific fleet. Led by a missile cruiser, they will practice maneuvers, helicopter deck landings, search and rescue operations and live-fire drills on sea and air targets with the Chinese navy.

"This is our third joint military drill. We want to improve our cooperation through more exercises," said Alexandr Fedotenkov, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.

The upcoming exercise follows similar operations in the Yellow Sea in April 2012 and off Russia’s east coast in July 2013.

Both sides want to improve practical cooperation and their ability to jointly deal with maritime security threats. Because the joint naval exercises are becoming routine, military exchanges are expected to increase in scope and number.

It will be the third exercise between the two sides, following similar operations off the coast of Russia’s Far East in July 2013, and the one in the Yellow Sea in April 2012.

The Chinese military says the drills are regular exercises by China and Russia. Both sides want to improve practical cooperation and their ability to jointly deal with maritime security threats. As the joint naval exercises are becoming a routine, military exchanges are expected to increase in scope and number.


http://english.cntv.cn/2014/05/18/VIDE1400417758903139.shtml

No new Bars.

I am working on my updating my major surface and underwater combatant list, will post the whole thing in a bit.

For anyone interested: I updated my list of the major surface and underwater units of the Russian Navy, and their service status. List includes original commission dates, and I tried to add the most realistic assessment of the ships state currently or before recent repairs. Some ships are listed active while clearly they are currently being repaired; the intention was to differentiate between ships that have been regularly active and in service, and are in the process of being further maintained, and those that have been either in reserve or rusting away for many years. I did not include ballistic missile submarines or amphibious warfare ships at this time, nor any ships smaller than the 20380s. Also I am not including routine small repairs or dock visits in the interest of space. Questions, comments or edits are welcome:

Large Surface Combatants

Sovremmeny (956):
Burny (1988): Inactive. Repairs @ Dalezavod since 2005. To get engine replacement soon.
Bystry (1989): Active
Bezboyazenny (1990): In reserve
Bespokoiny (1991): In reserve/stationary training ship.
Nastoychivi (1992): Active
Admiral Ushakov (1993): Active

Udaloy (1155):
Vitse-Admiral Kulakov (1981): Active
Admiral Tributs (1985): Active. Repair @ Dalzavod from 2013-2015.
Marshall Shaposhnikov (1985): Active
Severomorsk (1987): Active
Admiral Levchenko (1988): Active
Admiral Vinogradov (1988): Active
Admiral Harlamov (1989): In reserve since 2004. Ship in good shape, repairs in 2014?
Admiral Panteleev (1991): Active
Admiral Chabanenko (1999): Active. Repair from 2013.

Slava (1164):
Moskva (1982): Active
Varyag (1989): Active
Marshal Ustinov (1986): Overhaul and modernization @ Zvedochka 2011-2014. To rejoin fleet by 2015.

Kuznetsov (1143):
Admiral Kuznetsov (1990): Active

Kirov (1144):
Admiral Nakhimov (1988): Inactive. Overhaul and modernization @ Sevmash from 2013 to 2018.
Peter the Great (1998): Active
Kirov (1980): Conserved @ Zvedochka.
Admiral Lazarev (1984): Conserved @ Fokino.

Neustrashimy (1154):
Neustrashimy (1990): Active
Yaroslav Mudryy (2009): Active

Krivak (1135):
Ladnyy (1980): Active? Repairs until 2013/2014?
Pitlivyy (1981): Active. Repairs until 2013.

Kashin (61):
Smetlivy (1969): Active

Kara (1134):
Kerch (1974): In Reserve. Repairs and acting as flagship while Moskva is away, 2014-?

Steregushy (20380):
Steregushy (2007): Active
Soobrazitelny (2011): Active
Boiky (2013): Active
Stoiky (2014): Active, in trials.

Nuclear Submarines

Akula (Project 971):
Tigr (1993): Active
Volk (1991): Active/In Reserve? Overhaul and life extension @ Zvezdochka from 2014.
Samara (1995): Active. Overhaul and modernization @ Zvedochka to begin summer 2014.
Pantera (1990): Active
Magadan (1990): Active
Gepard (2001): Active
Leopard (1992): Active. Overhaul and modernization @ Zvedochka from 2011 to 2015/16.
Vepr (1995): Needs reactor re-fueling. Repair and life extension @ Nerpa from 2012 to 2015.
Bratsk (1989): Inactive. Repairs @ North-East Repair Center from 2003. Overhaul and modernization @ Zvedochka to begin summer 2014.
Kashalot (1988): Conserved. In repair @ Amur from 2003. Awaiting overhaul and modernization.
Kuzbass (1992): Repairs @ Zvezda from 2009-2013. Delayed until 2014.

Sierra (945/945A):
Kostroma (1987): Reserve. To be overhauled and modernized @ Zvezdochka by 2017.
Pskov (1993): Active? Repairs @ Nerpa from 2011 on.
Karp (1984): Inactive since 1998. Overhaul and modernization @ Zvedochka, to be finished by 2016.
Nizhni Novgorod (1990): Active

Victor III (671RTMK):
Petrozavodsk (1988): In reserve. “Donor” vessel, likely to be written off.
Obninsk (1990): Repair @ Nerpa from 2011. Was supposed to rejoin fleet in 2012, dock work only finished May 2014.
Danyl Moskovsky (1990): Active
Tambov (1992): Repair and life extension @ Nerpa from 2011 to 2014? Delayed potentially.

Severodvinsk (885):
Severodvinsk (2013): Experimental Service

Oscar (949A):
Orel (1992) : Active. Overhaul and life extension @ Zvezdochka until 2016.
Smolensk (1990): Active. Overhaul and life extension @ Zvedochka until 2013, undergoing factory trials until the end of 2014.
Chelabinsk (1990): In reserve since 2008. Modernization @ Zvezda from 2014?
Omsk (1993): Active
Tver (1992): Active
Voronezh (1989): Active
Irkutsk (1988): In reserve since 1998. Repairs since 2008. Modernization @ Zvezda until 2017.
Tomsk (1996): Active. Repairs @ Zvezda from 2010-2014.

Diesel Submarines

Lada (677):
St-Peterburg (2010): Experimental Service

Kilo (877):
Lipetsk (1991): Active
Vologda (1984): Reserve
Vladikavkaz (1990): Overhaul and modernization @ Zvezdochka from 2014.
Magnitogorsk (1990): Active. Will be overhauled and modernized @ Zvedochka from 2015-2017.
Kaluga (1989): Active. Was just modernized and overhauled @ Zvezdochka.
Yaroslavl (1988): Active. Will be overhauled and modernized @ Zvedchka from 2015-2017.
B-187 (1991): Inactive. In repairs @ Amur since 2003.
Krasnokamensk (1992): Active
Chita (1981): Active
Mogocha (1994): Active
B-394 (1988): Active
St-Nikolai Chudotvorets (1988): Active
Ust-Kamchatsk (1990): Active
Ust-Bolsheretsk (1990): Active
Alrosa (1990): Active
Vyborg (1983): Repairs @ Kronstadt Naval Yard from 2011. In trials?
Dmitrov (1986): Repairs @ Kronstadt Naval Yard from 2012. In dock?

http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/72479.html

Photos of the Russian ships (2 destroyers, 1 cruiser, and a large landing ship) arriving in Shanghai for naval exercises.
Hope we get some great photography like back in Peace Mission 2005....didn't see too many from when a flotilla of Chinese ships came to Vladivostock last year for large maneuvers.

great list. i gather you assembled data based on various insider blog data? I am curious, how do you define the difference between "in reserve" and "conserved" ?

Yes basically Russian blogs, forums, and several sites.

Russian navy has different status it places ships, in reserve is a tier above in conservation.
In reserve generally means of plan to soon or eventually bring ship into service. Conserve is just to preserve the ship for now because no future plans exist. I think there is also a significant difference as to how the crews are maintained on ships in different status.
However there is overlap. The Lazarev is conserved in terrible shape, while the Severstal and Archangelsk by the look of it are in pretty good stasis. Admiral Harlamov has been in reserve for a while, but the ship has been well maintained and has what seems like a permanent good crew compliment. The Pacific 956s on the other hand are in terrible condition while in reserve.

Nice   

Launched a small rocket ship "Great Ustyug

Indeed it is a good looking one.

Strangely, I did not find dimensions. But at 2700 T displacement, it should be around 110 m in length.

Most interesting is that it took just 2 years from being laid down to launch. It is expected to go into service next year. That is 3 years from laying down to commission: a good rate of building. Zelenodolsk shipyard has got its act together.

By the way, 5 more have just been ordered recently.

http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/294560.html

It is officially over for the Kirov.

TR1 wrote:http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/294560.html

It is officially over for the Kirov.

I cant fathom this. Various Kirovs were slated for scrapping ever since just after their commissioning.
They're fantastic vessels. The last one was only commissioned in 1998.

The US re-commissioned their Iowas, many decades after being decomissioned.

Its not like these mega hulls could be replaced overnight. The Kirovs have a myriad of uses, and in these HIGHLY turbulent times, nothing shouts superpower like a Kirov. THe big hulls could be used for S-400 and 500, for rail gun weapons(space for the electrical supply). Theyre excellent flag fliers, anti-piracy ships, dont require fuel(nuclear!), could be excellent test vessels and much much more.

Why not just retain the OPTION of recommissioning the oldest of the Kirovs. I thought the Navy wanted large numbers of indiv classes, to economise on maintenance?!
Penny wise and pound foolish as we say in England.
Would be very sad to lose a Kirov for the price of some scrap steel.

TR1 wrote:http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/294560.html

It is officially over for the Kirov.

what about admiral Lazarev??

Firebird wrote:

TR1 wrote:http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/294560.html

It is officially over for the Kirov.

I cant fathom this. Various Kirovs were slated for scrapping ever since just after their commissioning.
They're fantastic vessels. The last one was only commissioned in 1998.

The US re-commissioned their Iowas, many decades after being decomissioned.

Its not like these mega hulls could be replaced overnight. The Kirovs have a myriad of uses, and in these HIGHLY turbulent times, nothing shouts superpower like a Kirov. THe big hulls could be used for S-400 and 500, for rail gun weapons(space for the electrical supply). Theyre excellent flag fliers, anti-piracy ships, dont require fuel(nuclear!), could be excellent test vessels and much much more.

Why not just retain the OPTION of recommissioning the oldest of the Kirovs. I thought the Navy wanted large numbers of indiv classes, to economise on maintenance?!
Penny wise and pound foolish as we say in England.
Would be very sad to lose a Kirov for the price of some scrap steel.

It is in much worse state than the Nakhimov, including some serious propulsion issues back from Soviet times.
The budget can only support so many mega-cruisers. The ship is just rusting away, taking up space and manpower.

By the time Russia can afford 4 of those ships, they will be ancient. And even then, you will have to compromise on other assets.

The Leader project will be able to do most of the roles of an even upgraded Kirov anwyays.

Anti-piracy? Man, why not send a whole battlegroup if you don't care about the cost ?

Well that's kinda unfortunate for Kirov.. Though yes it's not economic to bring her back on duty.


Anyway a question, Is P-885 Yasen will going to replace all Bars, Kondor, Barrakuda and Shchuka as well as Antey/Atlant in service ? Thus making future Submarine force "Multimission" In nature similar as US Navy's Virginia class ?

Oh about the Antey/Atlant. recently got (yay) Norman Polmar's "Cold War Submarine : Design and Construction of US and Soviet Submarine" It mentioned that Rubin design bureau are working on 4th Generation SSGN to replace Antey/Atlant.. However i heard no news of it in the net.. So i wonder if there's anything i miss.

Thats just unfortunate, always thought those impressive carrier group killing beasts still have a place in the modern russian navy.
Oh well, ciest la vie.

Why not just retain the OPTION of recommissioning the oldest of the Kirovs. I thought the Navy wanted large numbers of indiv classes, to economise on maintenance?!
Penny wise and pound foolish as we say in England.
Would be very sad to lose a Kirov for the price of some scrap steel.

The thing is they can't keep everything from the Soviet period... they simply don't need it really at the moment.

Using 2 Kirov class ships plus 3-4 Slava class vessels with moderate upgrades would be plenty for most European countries.

New upgrades should allow a simplification of the propulsion and weapons and systems to reduce crew requirements and make the vessel more standardised with the rest of the fleet which should also reduce operational costs.

http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=390091&download=2&type=.jpg

The Russian squadron @ the Chinese maneuvers.

But thats irrelevant.
You ignore ,that Russia if ever have a conflict with any european nation it will be a conflict with NATO..
Or at least its major active powers..and black sea and northern sea members. So if France only have 5 warship.. so what?
None of those European nations you think will be alone in a maritime conflict and Russia will be alone.. unless the conflict is in
the  CHINA SEA..Oh but Russia have nukes.. you will say..  yes so they too..Still conventional power is truly important .