Syrian War: News #15

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franco wrote:Wonder why the SAA does not cross the river and block them?

They need to gain control of the west bank first.

I think this is the main reason

https://8ch.net/pol/res/10584024.html

▶US-LED COALITION ‘WILL NOT ALLOW’ SYRIAN ARMY TO CROSS EUPHRATES RIVER IN DEIR EZZOR – REPORTS Anonymous  09/10/17 (Sun) 14:46:54 fccf92 No.10584024>>10584231 >>10584442 >>10585129 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
>On Saturday, the US-led coalition announced in an official statement that it will support the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and Deir Ezzor Military Council (DMC) advance towards Deir Ezzor city.
>The US-led coalition said that it will provide equipment, training, intelligence and logistics support, precision fires and battlefield advice for the SDF and DMC during the operation.
>The US-led coalition stressed that it will support the SDF until it fully captures the Khabur River valley. This could mean that the US is not interested in capturing other areas in Deir Ezzor governorate. Kurdish sources claimed that the aim of the attack is to reach Markada town south of al-Shaddadah town just to secure the US base near al-Sahdadah.
<Meanwhile, a member of the SDF-linked Raqqa Civil Council claimed that Major General Robert Jones, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the US-led coalition, said in a meeting that the US-led coalition will not allow the regime forces to bypass the Euphrates River.
>Others even claimed that Jones threatened to strike any units of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) if it crossed the Euphrates River. However, none of these claims have been confirmed by the US-led coalition so far.

In the link there is a picture of a document that seems to be the official statement about.

Personally I think Russia/Syria will cross soon.

I have not doubt that the forces that are approaching to Deir Ez Zor are plagued of US paramilitary forces with man-portable air defense and antitank weapons. The regular Kurds are in Raqqa. They have been allowed to reach this point, but they are at same time are small forces, far smaller than the Syrian forces in Deir Ezzor.

The pro US forces around Deir Ez Zor are not enough to stop the Syrian forces plus allies. Even with the addition of the ISIS forces in the city.

The question is how many of the own forces want the US to put in his effort.

The first answer of Syria (and Russia) to the statement has been to fire SA-5 S-200 to Israeli aircrafts over Lebanon.

KiloGolf wrote:

franco wrote:So Lavrov meets with the Saudi king while his son apparently secretly flies over to Israeli to meet with Netanyahu... wonder what the Wahhabi's are up to?

No idea. But surely SDF seems to have magically covered as much ground as SAA did in a month, in just 1 day. That's not a result of capability or combat valor, but rather collusion. They're in bed with ISIL at this stage. And before anyone mentions Raqqa, ISIL proper had left the city long before SDF encircled the place. What remains there is a cluster of uber-retards that missed the memo and the bank transfers.

This is what i have been saying for years in this forum.. the Ignorants in this forums who were
praising the Kurds and SDF military capabilities ,all their combat capabilities is a myth.. the terrorist all all of them trade territory at the request of Americans , Many of this kurds/SDF  advances are done not fighting but a transfer of lands with a shake of hands.. Kurds ,neither SDF have the capability to hold territory away of Syria for a long term.. they are Land Locked and all their contact with the outside world will depend 100% of US Military. a nation can't exist that way landlocked and without control of its airspace.  Kurds will need Syria help to develop their nation. Americans will be unable to protect Kurds properly in Syria either .neither create a real military base with air defenses.

ISIS and Alnusra had in few times their fights with Kurds too ...but is only when Erdogan
goes against Americans plans and influence them to do it..

In my opinion Syrian army should not bother much in starting a fight with SDF/Kurds now.. they need to continue liberating territory moving in any direction ,bypass/encircle kurds and keep moving until reach IRAQ border and clear all zones that Kurds/SDF arent positioned.

IRAQ army is the key for Syria securing/clearing very fast their borders with IRAQ. they should be welcome to invade Syria and help fighting ISIS from their side.. once all ISIS positions taken ,and Damascus,Homs,Hamas fully cleared , they can focus in advancing in North of Eufrates and in Southern Syria to finish the job. Kurds/SDF will not have the man power to hold for long their over extended positions. One Erdogan send their tanks to Kurds rear positions ,they will redraw their forces .. Kurds are surrounded in all sides and land locked..
they have no chance , zero ,to create Kurdistant.. SInce they landlocked and surrounded by enemies . it will be very expensive for Americans to sustain millions of Kurds that have no trade with any nation and not trade route open. everything Kurds gets will have to come from a military base inside Syria.

Note that Russia can easily make an statement saying they will not allow to the pro-US forces to invade Raqqa. As reaction to the statement of the US.

Also if there is a fight, do not expect Russia to be fooled. The regular Kurds will not take the retaliation. It will be very likely the US paramilitary forces in the area.

Just like in many, many times in the past this is about to get very nasty and very personal in the Deir area. Those who stayed, benefited and supported ISIS are going to reap the whirlwind and given that ISIS was a particularly cruel regime based on 7th Century standards the blowback this time will be equally harsh.

The Western intelligentsia, not having a clue as to what those who have suffered for three years of the semi starvation and war suffered by the survivors in Deir are going to be absolutely aghast at what is going to happen now. This has not been the genteel occupation of Paris or the no turncoats of Stalingrad, this was a real Middle Ages religious occupation and siege. The West should expect what they were doing 6-700 years ago in similar situations. Now that the core of ISIS has been reached the Euphrates will run red.

The SDF advance has, as mentioned above, almost certainly been aided by ISIS surrendering as fast as they can. Can you blame them? A US controlled army is going to apply today's 'live and let live' standards, not slaughter them on sight.



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Within Syria‏ @WithinSyriaBlog 8h8 hours ago

1-Many Deir Ezzor locals told me that now they will the SAA to take revenge from ISIS supporters in the southern Deir Ezzor countryside

2-people in Deir Ezzor suffered far more than what we knew before ,and they will take revenge if they had the chance

3-one man who's family was besieged in Deir Ezzor told me he will join to cut the hands and heads of ISIS supporters in al-Bukamal

4-according to him ISIS had massive support in 2014 from the people of Abu Kamal and their hearts and minds were with ISIS

5-One thing for sure ,ISIS end will not be peaceful , it will be more terrifying than its raise ,tens of thousands will be killed

eehnie wrote:

franco wrote:Wonder why the SAA does not cross the river and block them?

They need to gain control of the west bank first.

I think this is the main reason

https://8ch.net/pol/res/10584024.html

▶US-LED COALITION ‘WILL NOT ALLOW’ SYRIAN ARMY TO CROSS EUPHRATES RIVER IN DEIR EZZOR – REPORTS Anonymous  09/10/17 (Sun) 14:46:54 fccf92 No.10584024>>10584231 >>10584442 >>10585129 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
>On Saturday, the US-led coalition announced in an official statement that it will support the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and Deir Ezzor Military Council (DMC) advance towards Deir Ezzor city.
>The US-led coalition said that it will provide equipment, training, intelligence and logistics support, precision fires and battlefield advice for the SDF and DMC during the operation.
>The US-led coalition stressed that it will support the SDF until it fully captures the Khabur River valley. This could mean that the US is not interested in capturing other areas in Deir Ezzor governorate. Kurdish sources claimed that the aim of the attack is to reach Markada town south of al-Shaddadah town just to secure the US base near al-Sahdadah.
<Meanwhile, a member of the SDF-linked Raqqa Civil Council claimed that Major General Robert Jones, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the US-led coalition, said in a meeting that the US-led coalition will not allow the regime forces to bypass the Euphrates River.
>Others even claimed that Jones threatened to strike any units of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) if it crossed the Euphrates River. However, none of these claims have been confirmed by the US-led coalition so far.

In the link there is a picture of a document that seems to be the official statement about.

Personally I think Russia/Syria will cross soon.

I have not doubt that the forces that are approaching to Deir Ez Zor are plagued of US paramilitary forces with man-portable air defense and antitank weapons. The regular Kurds are in Raqqa. They have been allowed to reach this point, but they are at same time are small forces, far smaller than the Syrian forces in Deir Ezzor.

The pro US forces around Deir Ez Zor are not enough to stop the Syrian forces plus allies. Even with the addition of the ISIS forces in the city.

The question is how many of the own forces want the US to put in his effort.

The first answer of Syria (and Russia) to the statement has been to fire SA-5 S-200 to Israeli aircrafts over Lebanon.

I really hope that the SAA and Allies cross the river soon, this is a must.

Russia is sending 175 soldiers to Deir Ezzor.

https://southfront.org/175-russian-military-servicemen-deploy-syrias-deir-ezzor/


The Us bombed the SAA in Deirdre Zorror, do the same to them.


https://southfront.org/us-led-coalition-bombed-syrian-military-column-near-deir-ezzor-media/



Hopefully Iran sends more troops to Deir Zorror, the Kurds will be used against them. The Iranians should have done more(I just wish I had more power in Iranian military.)

JohninMK wrote:..............
The Western intelligentsia, not having a clue as to what those who have suffered for three years of the semi starvation and war suffered by the survivors in Deir are going to be absolutely aghast at what is going to happen now. This has not been the genteel occupation of Paris or the no turncoats of Stalingrad, this was a real Middle Ages religious occupation and siege. The West should expect what they were doing 6-700 years ago in similar situations. Now that the core of ISIS has been reached the Euphrates will run red.
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Pretty much but there is absolutely nothing surprising about it.

Intelligentsia will always do dumbest possible thing. I didn't see them getting all worked up over all the shit that was/is taking place in Africa routinely. They might start there before moving on to whining over DeZ.

Like you said it was Middle Age style event and there will be Middle Age style retribution.

Russian Military could ask (as a personal favor for lifting the siege) that retribution be limited only to adult males. But other than that they should stay away.  

par far wrote:..........
Russia is sending 175 soldiers to Deir Ezzor.

https://southfront.org/175-russian-military-servicemen-deploy-syrias-deir-ezzor/
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These are EOD personnel like in Palmyra old city, not combat troops.






Map of oil fields in Deir:


Given the kiddy glove approach that Russia is having with Kurds (Afrin being most obvious example) I would say that stitching Syria back together  is on the back burner when compared to keeping Turkey in check. Kurdish state may be useful to USA now but will become massive headache later in part due to Turkish variable.

That Su-24 event is definitely not forgotten. And Turks will not be leaving NATO any time soon.

Syria works as a client state perfectly fine without those oil fields (Lord knows that Russia is not short on oil). And looking at the map I would say that there is enough oil on this side of Euphrates.

If they really have a boner for those oil fields then they should cross and move south toward Iraq where most of them located.

Rumours starting

TheMoroccanBaathist‏ @MorocanArab 1h1 hour ago

#SOHR: Islamic State recaptured it's biggest stronghold (Uqayribat) in the Hamah countryside.

This is part of the build up to the probable US/Coalition plans to claim, when they don't leave Syria, that they are supporting the local people against Assad the poison gas tyrant. Expect to see a lot more in this vein.

The Deir Ezzor Military Council announced a new US-backed offensive against the Islamic State in eastern Syria.

The US-led coalition announced today that the Syrian Arab Coalition (SAC) has begun a new offensive against the Islamic State in the Kahbur River valley. The offensive, named “Operation Jazeera Storm,” aims to dislodge the so-called caliphate from its strongholds north of the city of Deir Ezzor.

The new effort means that there are now two different coalitions trying to uproot the self-declared caliphate in eastern Syria.

Bashar al Assad’s regime, backed by Iran and Russia, has made progress in Deir Ezzor in recent weeks. Earlier this month, the Syrian regime said that its forces and allies had broken through the Islamic State’s siege of its positions in and around Deir Ezzor city. Abu Bakr al Baghdadi’s men began the siege in 2014 and their actions have contributed to the ongoing humanitarian crisis in the area.

The Assad regime, along with Iranian-sponsored militias, Hezbollah and the Russians, began an offensive toward Deir Ezzor this past summer. The regime has taken two pathways. One is from the west, where Assad’s forces have seized ground from the Sunni jihadists in Homs province. The other is from the north, where the regime has established its own foothold in parts of Raqqa province. [See FDD’s Long War Journal report, Analysis: The Syrian regime’s offensive towards Deir Ezzor.]

The SAC is pressing into Deir Ezzor mainly from the north. “The multi-ethnic SAC is a battle-tested, proven partner force in the Coalition’s fight to defeat ISIS in northern Syria,” Combined Joint Task Force – Operation Inherent Resolve (CJTF-OIR) said in a statement earlier today. The operation is led by the Deir Ezzor Military Coalition, which will give the effort a local face.

“Once the Khabur River valley is cleared of ISIS, the SAC states the region will be turned over to representative bodies of local civilians who will then oversee security and governance as with Tabqa and Manbij,” CJTF-OIR stated.

CJTF-OIR’s statement was undoubtedly intended to assuage fears about Iran’s and the Assad regime’s ability to capitalize off of the US-led coalition’s gains. There is a concern, inside Syria and elsewhere, that once the SAC and its allies beat back the Islamic State north of Deir Ezzor city, they will simply allow Assad’s men and Iranian-backed forces to take control of the turf. The Assad regime’s recent gains in Deir Ezzor only heighten this concern, although it is not clear how much authority the regime can exert over the province. CJTF-OIR’s statement also emphasizes the role of the SAC, without mentioning the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which is largely comprised of Kurdish fighters.

There is more of this including a SAC announcement at http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2017/09/coalition-backed-forces-push-into-syrias-kahbur-river-valley.php


EDIT

Just to emphasise the last sentence above. You are going to hear very little from now on about the Kurds and the SDF, from now on it will be the SAC the new, much more Arab friendly, name for the SDF as they move to barely mention the Kurds, who of course still make up the bulk of the fighting force and generally call the shots that the US doesn't. All part of the plan to give the Kurds east Syria but without actually naming them.

Unconfirmed: Tiger Forces crossed the Furat river /#DeirezZor

https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/907226396065443840

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:..............
The Western intelligentsia, not having a clue as to what those who have suffered for three years of the semi starvation and war suffered by the survivors in Deir are going to be absolutely aghast at what is going to happen now. This has not been the genteel occupation of Paris or the no turncoats of Stalingrad, this was a real Middle Ages religious occupation and siege. The West should expect what they were doing 6-700 years ago in similar situations. Now that the core of ISIS has been reached the Euphrates will run red.
..................

Pretty much but there is absolutely nothing surprising about it.

Intelligentsia will always do dumbest possible thing. I didn't see them getting all worked up over all the shit that was/is taking place in Africa routinely. They might start there before moving on to whining over DeZ.

Like you said it was Middle Age style event and there will be Middle Age style retribution.

Russian Military could ask (as a personal favor for lifting the siege) that retribution be limited only to adult males. But other than that they should stay away.  

par far wrote:..........
Russia is sending 175 soldiers to Deir Ezzor.

https://southfront.org/175-russian-military-servicemen-deploy-syrias-deir-ezzor/
..................

These are EOD personnel like in Palmyra old city, not combat troops.






Map of oil fields in Deir:


Given the kiddy glove approach that Russia is having with Kurds (Afrin being most obvious example) I would say that stitching Syria back together  is on the back burner when compared to keeping Turkey in check. Kurdish state may be useful to USA now but will become massive headache later in part due to Turkish variable.

That Su-24 event is definitely not forgotten. And Turks will not be leaving NATO any time soon.

Syria works as a client state perfectly fine without those oil fields (Lord knows that Russia is not short on oil). And looking at the map I would say that there is enough oil on this side of Euphrates.

If they really have a boner for those oil fields then they should cross and move south toward Iraq where most of them located.

There's 3 companies in Deir, recon and artillery. One Ural VV was aimed at with Konkurs there are 2 dead one wounded.

Very deep organic changes in the type of warfare the Russians are conducting over there. The VV has been in the area for 3 months un-punished. Recon is getting better, the issue is the fact that ATGM teams have a field day on a terrain like Syria.

PapaDragon wrote:
Unconfirmed: Tiger Forces crossed the Furat river /#DeirezZor

https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/907226396065443840

Seems to be a bit of a debate going on as to where about, if at all, this is happening whilst the Furat seems to be another, local, name for the Euphrates. Limited source atm.

Bit more on the de-mining group

The Russian Defense Ministry announced today that the group of its demining experts will participate in the Russian military operations, aimed at combing the neighborhoods recently retrieved from ISIS terrorists in Deir Ez Zour city.

In a statement, published on its website, the Ministry said at least 40 Russian experts from the International Mine Action Center will head to Russia's Khmeimim airbase in Syria's Lattakia province, in addition to provide 7 pieces of specialized equipment, as well as a group of experts accompanied by sniffer dogs.

The Ministry also said it would increase its demining efforts throughout Syria by sending in 175 experts from the International Mine Action Center and 42 pieces of specialized equipment, including Uran-6 Mine-Clearing Robots, noting that the operation will primarily be focused on the eastern Syrian province of Deir Ez Zour.

The Ministry pointed out that the work will be focused on the removal of mines from the roads leading to the city center and infrastructure facilities such as hospitals, schools, residential buildings and facilities that supply Deir Ez Zour city with electricity, water and energy, as well as cultural sites.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/russia-to-comb-syria-off-mines-left.html

Lavrov back on his 'Yankees go home' tack

Lavrov's comments come after yesterday’s visit to Saudi Arabia, during which he said Jeddah and Moscow supported the unification of the Syrian opposition factions.

“There is an agreement on strengthening cooperation in the fight against terrorism and we have a common concept of implementing this and without any double standards”, Lavrov said.

He also said that any foreign presence on the Syrian soil or airspace without the approval of the government in Damascus, violates international law and sovereignty of the Syrian state.

“Since the very beginning, we have consistently taken a very clear stance. Everyone who is on the Syrian soil or in Syria’s airspace without the consent of the Syrian government violates the international law,” Lavrov was heard saying, adding that Russia, as well as the representatives of Iran (Hezbollah including), maintain their presence in Syria due to a direct invitation of Syria’s legitimate authorities.

Lavrov then pointed out to double standards as regards the notorious terror group Al Nusra Front as several members of the US-led “anti-ISIS” coalition are remaining rather supportive of the group, stressing that this is totally unacceptable, especially because both, ISIS and Al Nusra Front, are designated as terrorist organisations by the United Nations.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/no-uninvited-guests-have-right-to.html

Low-pass of Russia AF Sukhoi Su-25 near Deir ez-Zor

https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/906875984036683776

KoTeMoRe wrote:
There's 3 companies in Deir, recon and artillery. One Ural VV  was aimed at with Konkurs there are 2 dead one wounded.
Very deep organic changes in the type of warfare the Russians are conducting over there. The VV has been in the area for 3 months un-punished.

That is not UralVV

If you mean on this one.
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PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:..............
The Western intelligentsia, not having a clue as to what those who have suffered for three years of the semi starvation and war suffered by the survivors in Deir are going to be absolutely aghast at what is going to happen now. This has not been the genteel occupation of Paris or the no turncoats of Stalingrad, this was a real Middle Ages religious occupation and siege. The West should expect what they were doing 6-700 years ago in similar situations. Now that the core of ISIS has been reached the Euphrates will run red.
..................

Pretty much but there is absolutely nothing surprising about it.

Intelligentsia will always do dumbest possible thing. I didn't see them getting all worked up over all the shit that was/is taking place in Africa routinely. They might start there before moving on to whining over DeZ.

Like you said it was Middle Age style event and there will be Middle Age style retribution.

Russian Military could ask (as a personal favor for lifting the siege) that retribution be limited only to adult males. But other than that they should stay away.  

par far wrote:..........
Russia is sending 175 soldiers to Deir Ezzor.

https://southfront.org/175-russian-military-servicemen-deploy-syrias-deir-ezzor/
..................

These are EOD personnel like in Palmyra old city, not combat troops.






Map of oil fields in Deir:


Given the kiddy glove approach that Russia is having with Kurds (Afrin being most obvious example) I would say that stitching Syria back together  is on the back burner when compared to keeping Turkey in check. Kurdish state may be useful to USA now but will become massive headache later in part due to Turkish variable.

That Su-24 event is definitely not forgotten. And Turks will not be leaving NATO any time soon.

Syria works as a client state perfectly fine without those oil fields (Lord knows that Russia is not short on oil). And looking at the map I would say that there is enough oil on this side of Euphrates.

If they really have a boner for those oil fields then they should cross and move south toward Iraq where most of them located.

Russia may have lots of oil but that does not mean that Russia should use it on Syria, when Syria has lots of its own oil, oil that will fall into the hands of the US, if not taken back.

With all that oil there why are Russia, SAA+Allies and Iran not focusing more resources here?

PapaDragon wrote:
Unconfirmed: Tiger Forces crossed the Furat river /#DeirezZor

https://twitter.com/SyriaWar2/status/907226396065443840

For the love of God, please be true. Russia sent all that river crossing equipment, now would be a good time to use that.

The SDF could be cutting off ISIS escape on the east bank before they head south.

Syrian Civil War Map‏ @CivilWarMap 22m22 minutes ago

SDF captured 113th Air Defense Base, al-Huwayj Grain Silos and Deir ez-Zor Freight Depot [Via @VivaRevolt]

calm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
There's 3 companies in Deir, recon and artillery. One Ural VV  was aimed at with Konkurs there are 2 dead one wounded.
Very deep organic changes in the type of warfare the Russians are conducting over there. The VV has been in the area for 3 months un-punished.

That is not UralVV

If you mean on this one.

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That is an Ural Chassis 10/10, not a Bulat.

eehnie doing damage control for the Kurd's advance....

"Evil U.S is making them do it...swear" "It's all a big intoxication racket by the U.S"

No my friend. It has always been about one thing and one thing only, Kurdistan. Grabbing land (with oil fields for income for a future "economy)" is a pre-requesite. The U.S provides the umbrella for protection they need. The U.S in return gets a new base of operations in the M.E and weakens both Syria/Iraq...while strategically positioning itself to wreck havoc and destebilize both Turkey(if need be) and Iran. Israel will cheer along and help in this endevour, as will the monarchies with vested interests in seeing Iran weakened to avoid getting swallowed by the Shia crescent and all that it accompanies. Textbook great game chess plays.

Russia's position continues to be muddy on this issue, and particularly weak. Unless the Russians are in on the racket as well, ultimately agreeing with the U.S on many fronts - mainly that curtailing Iran's geopolitical control (and its growth) is beneficial for itself, as well as gaining a dagger with which to poke and stab Turkey (long time foe). That Syria and Iraq get to be sacrificial lambs is, well,collateral damage. Could the Russian elite rationalize something like this? Absolutely, despite what we, ourselves, might want to project as the Russian position, i.e the noble one buried in some strategic 6D Chess.

At this point in the game, both Syria/Iraq have little in say to change the game (as weak and dependent as they're now). The Kurd issue is ultimately an Iranian/Turkish/Iraqui/Syrian problem. Never trust Russia/China/U.S to fix it for ya. The big powers will play their little geopolitical games and will feast on the division, ineptness and lack of decisive action as a united front on this issue - aka you'll get fucked over - it's after all, not their land they're playing with, but a foreign playground.

KoTeMoRe wrote:That is an Ural Chassis 10/10, not a Bulat.

YYes but not VV. no one can't find what it exactly is. Could be some modification of "Ural something", like those BRDM-2 used by PMC.

Stress between savage kurds and Turks/Arabs/Iranians is high enough to spark a massive regional war. Foreign powers like US or Russia pressurize sides and it is barely not happening. But certainly this situation will never deescalate unless high energy being constantly stored by Turks/arabs/iranians decharged by leveling off so called "Kurdistan"

Most of the users here dont know how things work in Middle East and they foresee no problem for those rats by sitting on their backs but it is just silence before storm

ATLASCUB wrote:eehnie doing damage control for the Kurd's advance....

"Evil U.S is making them do it...swear" "It's all a big intoxication racket by the U.S"

No my friend. It has always been about one thing and one thing only, Kurdistan. Grabbing land (with oil fields for income for a future "economy)" is a pre-requesite. The U.S provides the umbrella for protection they need. The U.S in return gets a new base of operations in the M.E and weakens both Syria/Iraq...while strategically positioning itself to wreck havoc and destebilize both Turkey(if need be) and Iran. Israel will cheer along and help in this endevour, as will the monarchies with vested interests in seeing Iran weakened to avoid getting swallowed by the Shia crescent and all that it accompanies. Textbook great game chess plays.

Russia's position continues to be muddy on this issue, and particularly weak. Unless the Russians are in on the racket as well, ultimately agreeing with the U.S on many fronts - mainly that curtailing Iran's geopolitical control (and its growth) is beneficial for itself, as well as gaining a dagger with which to poke and stab Turkey (long time foe). That Syria and Iraq get to be sacrificial lambs is, well,collateral damage. Could the Russian elite rationalize something like this? Absolutely, despite what we, ourselves, might want to project as the Russian position, i.e the noble one buried in some strategic 6D Chess.

At this point in the game, both Syria/Iraq have little in say to change the game (as weak and dependent as they're now). The Kurd issue is ultimately an Iranian/Turkish/Iraqui/Syrian problem. Never trust Russia/China/U.S to fix it for ya. The big powers will play their little geopolitical games and will feast on the division, ineptness and lack of decisive action as a united front on this issue - aka you'll get fucked over - it's after all, not their land they're playing with, but a foreign playground.

Lol, the Turkish SeigSoloyvov here

Russia knows perfectly who is doing what. If the US attacks the Syrian Armed Forces, the retaliation will go to the US paramilitary forces. Not to the Kurds.