Syrian War: News #15

You can see the river in the background in this video from yesterday. Artillery in direct fire mode, possibly across the river.

Here's why the SAA taking Saqr island in DeZ is so important. Not bec they can cross the river. They already have.
https://twitter.com/agitpapa/status/909740023142129664


Follow this man. he has some really good info. Acc to him, there are no Kurds on other side of the river. Just some mercenaries Arabs gathered by US in desperate move to reach Euphrates. Also acc to him, RuAF bombed them, not Kurds. Same happened south of Raqqa in that incident that i mentioned earlier, target were Arabs in SDF that decided to go against SAA/Ru.
https://twitter.com/agitpapa

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
This thread has been hijacked by Serbs who bear a real grudge against the Turks, unfortunately.

Turks are not exactly loved by the Greeks, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Armenians either....  Hmmm... do I sense a pattern here, Orthodox nations, screwed over by Ottomans, having historical grievances and unwilling to bury the hatchet fully with the neo-Sultans (and some like Serbia & Macedonia having to deal with current day crises because of barbarians like the fucking Albanian paleolithic orcs).

I have been in Greece and Bulgaria once, the normal locals where very nice to me, even the borderpolice.

Hate between peoples around the world are simulated by politics.

Normal people dont want war.

calm wrote:^
Move to another thread.


One more map.

So Red Colour is SAA and Yellow is SDF?

Thus that mean that Assad is gonna fight the Kurds?

no Kurds there, just some Arabs acc to reports.

Update from a sideshow:

calm wrote:no Kurds there, just some Arabs acc to reports.

Interesting that there is no sense of danger amongst those SAA soldiers, they are crossing the river and launching pontoons as if they were on an exercise.

There may have been some kind of agreement between Russia and the US, what is perhaps clearer is that the SDF really don't have any artillery of their own so unless they can get one of their sub 100mm barrels close enough they just have to watch.



Within Syria‏ @WithinSyriaBlog 2h2 hours ago

Within Syria Retweeted ديرالزور24

Opposition also claims that SAA crossed and even reached Marat village

All going down today!

maytham‏ @maytham956 36m36 minutes ago

The 1st 2 cargo aircrafts have successfully landed in the airbase of #DeirEzZor

https://twitter.com/maytham956/status/909764219641454592


Looks like another cauldron being formed. Lots of SAA/SDF friendly meeting photos coming up  

Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge 1h1 hour ago

#BREAKING With the Russian air-support, SAA captured 2km on the E side of Euphrates (Sabhah, Mazlum, Marat, parts of Khusham & Saqr Island).
https://twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/909758888378896386[/i]


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calm wrote:^
One more map.

Total gasm...when we've seen a proper bridgehead in post WW2 warfare? 1973 Yom Kippur comes to my mind.

What are the chances that Russian Speical Forces are embedded with the SAA and Allies, that are crossing the Euphrates River?

calm wrote:no Kurds there, just some Arabs acc to reports.

Would this matter?

If they were Kurds, then no reaction?

In long term, Kurds will cause much more bigger chaos in Syria/Iraq.

I dont mention Iran/Turkey because they showed their maximum performance back in the day in 2015. But their stance in Syria/Iraq is different.

As foreigners, Russia and US just want to keep things in place but as I mentioned many times, middle east does not work like that.

Middle East sure doesn't work that.

The US will never learn this and Russia is just new in the region, they will see.

Crossing point is at the narrows where there is a natural crossing point with just one water flow to cross. Think that the old ferry point was the one in the video yesterday that got splatted. Fairly easy access to the small roads on both sides that fed the ferry.



http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.283638&lon=40.236998&z=15&m=b

The Ottoman wrote:Middle East sure doesn't work that.

The US will never learn this and Russia is just new in the region, they will see.

The US might never learn, preferring action to words it seems, but they have been there for the best part of 90 years and Russia in Syria for over 60. Think they both might have a pretty good idea of how things work and, more importantly, how to influence things.

par far wrote:What are the chances that Russian Speical Forces are embedded with the SAA and Allies, that are crossing the Euphrates River?

No possibility at all.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Other point is, after all, Turkish Artillery destroyed Byzantium years ago. So dont compare old M113s or M60s with Russian provided equipment to SAA.I bet in case of confrontation, they will have long way until them after Turkish artillery.Ask Greeks for more information.

Byzantium is still here in the form of current nation states like Greece, Cyprus, Serbia, Romania, Russia, Bulgaria and so on. Don't confuse yourself.

Second, turkish M60s and M113s are absolutely obsolete and weaker/slower platforms in comparison to SAA's T-72AV/B, T-90A and BMP-2/BTR-80A. Moreover Syria is a theater of Toophan, (Iranian TOW), Konkurs, Metis and Kornet ATGMs. Turkish armor is simply outdated for this war. Actually non-uparmored M60s and Leopard 1s are possibly even weaker than SAA's hobo tanks like the T-62M.



I don't think this is something you didn't know already.

Here's an example of supposedly modern, mechanized force, having no idea what they're doing in the battlefield:



Sad stuff really.

flamming_python wrote:This thread has been hijacked by Serbs who bear a real grudge against the Turks, unfortunately.

Actually, staying on topic, no Syrian patriot likes the game Turkey played against their country. In fact Turkey is the main reason this war happened. Turkey facilitated the creation and supply with arms/food/fighters of FSA and IS alike. Turkey bought and buys IS and SDF oil, Turkey allowed the emergence and current supply of YPG/SDF. Turkey allows the flow of supplies and fighter to all rebel groups in Syria, incl. Kurdish ones. Turkish airports facilitate the flow of all foreign terrorists, their "wives" and families in and out of Syria. Right now, all this happens with Turkey's blessing.

Lets not forget this.

New Peto map with his estimate of positions

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKBY-E6WAAAmw8Q.jpg

JohninMK wrote:New Peto map with his estimate of positions

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKBY-E6WAAAmw8Q.jpg

Rumor has it that due to high demand the online butt-hurt report form for the war is unavailable.

Nothing like black gold to get the juices flowing and working. The U.S is in a pickle now... better hurry up...or can it? We'll see.

The Ottoman wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
This thread has been hijacked by Serbs who bear a real grudge against the Turks, unfortunately.

Turks are not exactly loved by the Greeks, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Armenians either....  Hmmm... do I sense a pattern here, Orthodox nations, screwed over by Ottomans, having historical grievances and unwilling to bury the hatchet fully with the neo-Sultans (and some like Serbia & Macedonia having to deal with current day crises because of barbarians like the fucking Albanian paleolithic orcs).

I have been in Greece and Bulgaria once, the normal locals where very nice to me, even the borderpolice.

Hate between peoples around the world are simulated by politics.

Normal people dont want war.

I bet you didn't speak about history with them. If you had told us that the Ottoman empire didn't massacre bulgarians in islamisation campaigns and that devshirme was good for us, like so many other turks and muslim gypsies, we would've beaten you up on the spot.

Sorry for off topic

par far wrote:What are the chances that Russian Speical Forces are embedded with the SAA and Allies, that are crossing the Euphrates River?

They were probably first ones over the river

KiloGolf wrote:

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Other point is, after all, Turkish Artillery destroyed Byzantium years ago. So dont compare old M113s or M60s with Russian provided equipment to SAA.I bet in case of confrontation, they will have long way until them after Turkish artillery.Ask Greeks for more information.

Byzantium is still here in the form of current nation states like Greece, Cyprus, Serbia, Romania, Russia, Bulgaria and so on. Don't confuse yourself.
..................

Was about to say this same thing

It's funny how some people seem to think that entire Byzantine civilization amounts to just one city...



And officially from the horse's bear's mouth:

#SYRIA Government troops supported by #Russian_Aerospace_Forces crossed Euphrates in Deir ez-Zor area http://s.mil.ru/2wAVkoM

https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/909759726140968962

KiloGolf wrote:

Actually, staying on topic, no Syrian patriot likes the game Turkey played against their country. In fact Turkey is the main reason this war happened. Turkey facilitated the creation and supply with arms/food/fighters of FSA and IS alike. Turkey bought and buys IS and SDF oil, Turkey allowed the emergence and current supply of YPG/SDF. Turkey allows the flow of supplies and fighter to all rebel groups in Syria, incl. Kurdish ones. Turkish airports facilitate the flow of all foreign terrorists, their "wives" and families in and out of Syria. Right now, all this happens with Turkey's blessing.

Lets not forget this.

1.- Turkey supported the FSA and the Syrian National Council against Assad, thats true, because Assad smashed the very first popular uprisings in a very harsh way. The Western and Turkish media and the flew of Syrians to Turkey pushed Erdogan to make a statement and take a position.

But Turkey never supported Daesh, even the CIA briefly apoligized for this lie, or YPG/PKK. I dont know what you are drinking, but I want some of that to. Turkey used the FSA, the Turkmens and the Uighurs against Assad and YPG, and since the coup of juli 2016, Turkey stopped all support to the Syrian National Council and only supports FSA against YPG/PKK.

2.- The border between Turkey and Syria is more than 900 kilometers long. Ofcourse people will go through. The European jihadists travelled from Istanbul to Hatay with cars and busses via CIA/Mossad logistic support and the local ISIS-mercs where brought by the US with planes and ships from Libya. Now there is finally a wall between Turkey and Syria, and the second wall between Turkey and Iran is starting to be build. No more terrorists trespassing.

3.- The war against Syria was planned and scheduled since 2000, according to former US general Wesley Clark. Erdogan wasn't een in office then. Till 2010 Erdogan has very good relations with Assad and they even go to vacation together.



4.- Turkey has the most strategic geography of the world and is always in a very complex situation since WO II between US and Russia. Turkey must defend himself and can not watch how his neighbours are jumping to chaos. Libya, Iraq and Syria where Turkeys biggest export partners in the East and thanks to the US, they are all lost. Turkey is facing very big problems, and is the next target at the list of the US. Three times the NATO tried to distroy Turkey in 2 years (SU-35 incident, Coup and the killing of the Russian Ambassador) but they failed.

Putin know this, thats the reason why Erdogan apoligized to Moscow. If the US attacks Turkey (and they will, after the Syrian peace), Erdogan needs Russia.

Sounds like ISIS is fighting back on the east bank

Yusha Yuseef ????????‏Verified account @MIG29_ 2h2 hours ago

ISIS Attack Syrian Army sites in eastern Bank of Al-Fourat river in #DeirEzzor with heavy clashes


Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge 24m24 minutes ago

#ISIS confirmed #SAA and allies crossing East Euphrates at 2 different points and carried out 3 suicide attacks (2 Syrians and 1 Turkistan)

#ISIS Attack SAA positions in eastern Bank of Euphrates river in DeirEzzor. Heavy clashes ongoing.


Ivan Sidorenko‏ @IvanSidorenko1 13m13 minutes ago

#Syria #DeirEzzor As of 2 Hours ago #SAA & Allied Forces STILL HELD Merat & Mathloum Villages as #ISIS keeps sending in more reinforcements

Ivan Sidorenko‏ @IvanSidorenko1 27m27 minutes ago

#Syria #DeirEzzor #ISIS #Daesh Announces the name of the Suicide driver of the SVBIED that targeted #SAA in Maret Village


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKCg80OXkAU2Hu2.jpg

The US has suggested Russia to hold a meeting to discuss a future of Deir Ezzor, the Russian state-run media outlet RIA reported citing a diplomatic source.

According to the report, the American side idea is to hold a meeting this week and to discuss possible “zones of responsibility” to combat ISIS in Deir Ezzor.

In other words, Washington wants to set up a de-confliction zone in eastern Syria.

RIA’s source added that Russia has already provided own suggestions, including a map, to the US.

On September 5, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) supported by the Russian Aerospace Forces broke the ISIS siege on the strategic city of Dier Ezzor and set a foothold for further advances in eastern Syria. The US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) reacted announcing own advance against ISIS north of Deir Ezzor on September 9.

On September 16, the SDF and the US-led coalition accused Russian forces of bombing the SDF north of Deir Ezzor. On September 18, the Russian Defense Ministry said that government forces have crossed the Euphrates.

It looks that the US-led coalition is loosing the race for eastern Syria. So, it now wants to negotiate some “diplomatic solution” of this situation.

https://southfront.org/usa-asks-russia-meeting-discuss-future-deir-ezzor-russian-media/#sthash.X0lTynyV.uxfs