Syrian War: News #15

ultimatewarrior wrote:

eehnie wrote:Russian MP says Turkey can't be trusted after Erdogan visited Ukraine and said he didn't recognise Crimea as Russian.

https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/917683888134283264

Who cares what Erdogan thinks? If they want to fight Russia, they will be beaten. Muslims are stuck in middle ages technology. Russia is white people. White people have technology. Silly Muslims have nothing. Silly Muslims will never have anything.

Can someone ban this guy ...

Kurds vying for control over oil with Syrian army - Syria's Foreign Minister

"SOCHI, Russia: Syria's Kurds are competing with the Syrian army for control over oil-producing areas, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem said on Wednesday.

"They (the Kurds) know well that Syria will not allow its sovereignty to be violated under any conditions," Moualem told his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov during a meeting in Russia's Black Sea resort of Sochi.

"They are now drunk on U.S. assistance and support. But they need to understand that this assistance won't last forever."

eehnie wrote:Russian MP says Turkey can't be trusted after Erdogan visited Ukraine and said he didn't recognise Crimea as Russian.

https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/917683888134283264

Sucks for you that nobody gives a shit about what this clown thinks

miketheterrible wrote:

eehnie wrote:Russian MP says Turkey can't be trusted after Erdogan visited Ukraine and said he didn't recognise Crimea as Russian.

https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/917683888134283264

This x soviet guy sounds like a Navalny supporting idiot.  So I wouldn't take much to heart what he says.  Nemtsov is even on his background.  And a note, look at who supporting him/her - user is from the UK.  Surprise surprise.

Gee Eehnie, for proclaiming others are intoxicators, you seem to be following and posting someone that is actually an intoxicator.

Im following no-one. Twitter never is a primary source for me. Despite it. There are multiple news about the visit of Erdogan to Ukraine, and about his declaration about Crimea and the Crimean Tartars.

A fairly better source:

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201710101058084694-erdogan-crimea-status-russia-pushkov/

Erdogan’s Position on Crimea Unable to Alter Status of Peninsula AP Photo/
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03:46 10.10.2017(updated 11:43 10.10.2017) Get short URL1329561233
The Russian senator Alexey Pushkov said on Monday that the status of the Crimean Peninsula is inalterable, as Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed his support for the Ukrainian integrity during a meeting with Petro Poroshenko earlier in the day.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The status of Crimea does not depend on Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's refusal to recognize the peninsula's decision to rejoin Russia, member of the upper house of the Russian parliament Alexey Pushkov said.

“Whether Erdogan recognizes the Russian sovereignty over Crimea or not, that will not change the status of Crimea. He knows that and just pleases Poroshenko,” Pushkov wrote on his Twitter page on Monday.

Earlier in the day, Erdogan met with his Ukrainian counterpart Petro Poroshenko. During the meeting the Turkish leader said that Ankara supported the Ukrainian territorial integrity and did not recognize the “illegal annexation” of Crimea.

Ukraine and Turkey signed on Monday a number of cooperation agreements, including an action plan for development of bilateral relations for 2017-2019, the press service of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said.

In your hands to analyze now if "Turkey [can or] can't be trusted after Erdogan visited Ukraine and said he didn't recognise Crimea as Russian."

I don't think Russia ever intended to care what Erdogan says.  All they are eager to do is get that pipeline built and sell some air defense systems and that is about it.  Ukraine cannot offer Turkey anything and Turkey already purchases coal from the DNR as is so Erdogan goes against the wishes of Porkyshenko as well.  Ukraines military industrial complex is in shambles, and the land is more or less on a fire sale which Turkey may be interested in purchasing up.  Outside of that, its all just gestures for media.

That said, I highly doubt the Kremlin even has faith in Turkey.  They are just simply biting their tongues till the pipeline is built.  Then afterwards, Turkey is more or less stuck with Russian resources and other goods.

That ex soviet guy is simply a woman or works for a woman in the UK who posts nothing but pro Navalny anti Putin garbage or just reposts useless media garbage that has been loser ex presidents Gorbachev says.

NW. #Hama: #Israel|i airstrikes hit last night a Scientific Research Base near #Masyaf, despite presence of nearby Russian air defense.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/905739306471448578

Good article on that ex US Marine who wants out but is trapped and the general position. First para

Former US Marine, and current war criminal Kevin Howard, aka Kevin Harlly has been taken captive by his own SDF 'comrades'. Howard, or as he is known on the ground and in social media as 'Kane Harlly', has been working illegally as a mercenary for the US backed Kurdish YPG separatists and the MFS (Syriac Military Council) and their subsequent rebrand as the so-called SDF (Syrian Democratic Forces). As a result of certain factors, he has been taken captive by his own SDF 'comrades in arms'.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/10/help-me-putin-betrayed-mercenary-and.html

"INTERVIEW WITH RUSSIA-LINKED PRIVATE MILITARY CONTRACTOR OPERATING IN SYRIA."

I am not sure if it is fake or not, what do you guys think?

https://southfront.org/interview-with-russia-linked-private-military-contractor-operating-in-syria/

[quote="Airman"]NW. #Hama: #Israel|i airstrikes hit last night a Scientific Research Base near #Masyaf, despite presence of nearby Russian air defense.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/905739306471448578

Because israel answers to itself not Russia. There is damn little the Russians can do to stop them; they will not shoot jewish planes or missiles out of the sky unless they were to hit Russians but even then it is more probable that diplomatic channels would resolve the issue. I fail to understand why people on here think it will ever be any different.

crod wrote:

Airman wrote:NW. #Hama: #Israel|i airstrikes hit last night a Scientific Research Base near #Masyaf, despite presence of nearby Russian air defense.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/905739306471448578

Because israel answers to itself not Russia. There is damn little the Russians can do to stop them; they will not shoot jewish planes or missiles out of the sky unless they were to hit Russians but even then it is more probable that diplomatic channels would resolve the issue. I fail to understand why people on here think it will ever be any different.

The joint Russian-Syrian air defense commanders did it before.

Likely the Israeli strike was directed to nothing of real value.

crod wrote:

Airman wrote:NW. #Hama: #Israel|i airstrikes hit last night a Scientific Research Base near #Masyaf, despite presence of nearby Russian air defense.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/905739306471448578

Because israel answers to itself not Russia. There is damn little the Russians can do to stop them; they will not shoot jewish planes or missiles out of the sky unless they were to hit Russians but even then it is more probable that diplomatic channels would resolve the issue. I fail to understand why people on here think it will ever be any different.

No need to shoot down israel planes, shoot down the "projectiles" they fire on syria positions.
Pantsir can do that, no problem, already done before.

No need to shoot down israel planes, shoot down the "projectiles" they fire on syria positions.
Pantsir can do that, no problem, already done before.

Pantsir can do that, but it needs to be within 10km of the target under attack.... look at the map posted and explain why there would be a Pantsir battery located within 10km of the target that was attacked....

GarryB wrote:

No need to shoot down israel planes, shoot down the "projectiles" they fire on syria positions.
Pantsir can do that, no problem, already done before.

Pantsir can do that, but it needs to be within 10km of the target under attack.... look at the map posted and explain why there would be a Pantsir battery located within 10km of the target that was attacked....

There is Pantsir just there. Maybe 10 km from that place(where is S400), maybe right there. Russians said that they shot down Heron UAV over Masyaf(probable area not city) with Pantsir. So yes, they can shoot all those missiles down, they just do not care.

Map is wrong, it's not S300v it's S400.

Wait, wait, wait!

Is the IDF strike confirmed? I found only 2 twitter messages, about the "incident". Normally there are thousands of tweets and infos after a Israeli Strike.

Airman wrote:NW. #Hama: #Israel|i airstrikes hit last night a Scientific Research Base near #Masyaf, despite presence of nearby Russian air defense.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/905739306471448578

"Article" ......if someone can call this way the authenticate mountain of garbage coming from this low level clearly pro-jihadist twitter private page......from 7 September, widely debated and debunked, moreover employing the very old phantasious ,as naive, pro-israely/western/jihadist Psy-Op narrative.

I responded in another thread to the same "news".........usually saying much more about the poster linking it than the reality of the events on the ground.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t7006p950-s-300-400-500-news-russian-strategic-air-defense-2



"About the few and skirmish level scale IAF strikes of the last five years; it is always the same story : israely information operatives invent literally from nothing in each of those strike the presence of the most advanced air defences supposedly availaable to the other side (sometime ever hinting that batteries of S-300 or Buk was targeted and destroyed Laughing Laughing Laughing), anyone can recall the ridiculous phantasy soap on the presence of Pantsyr-S1 in the operation Orchard

That is done  to maintain in the public opinion an image of strenght and capability of its air force very different from what the reality of those operations would suggest if revealed.

Reality of those operations is much more simpler and far less exciting : Israely HUMINT - incluing obviously "collaborative" syrian armed forces operatives - continously monitorize, for what possible, activities in proximity of potential targets in Syria with particular attention to possible presence of advanced mobile air defences and their pattern of coverage of the area.
If even only a remote possibility exist that some of the few batteries of the most advanced SAM systems would be present in the potential area of attack the operation do not receive the let-go from Israely command, because the repercussion for the failure of such an operation would be simply devastating for the image of IAF.

Only when those chances are next to zero the "placet" for the attack is conceded ,with the operation usually executed ,delivering from outside Syrian airspace, by part very few aircraft -often not more than two- capable to hide themselves among those daily present in "friendly" nation's airspace.

In substance IAF do (rightfully i can add) what it and, more in general, western Air Forces have done 99% of times in the latest 50 years : attack enemy assets defended by AD systems 25-30 years ,on average, older than the aircraft employed in those operations.
The unique time when IAF was forced to confront very few batteries of an export version of a relatively up-to-date ,for the time, SAM system , nominally 2К12Е Квадрат in the Yom Kippur war, IAF was massacrated and Israely command retain a precise memory of that."

Azi wrote:Wait, wait, wait!

Is the IDF strike confirmed? I found only 2 twitter messages, about the "incident". Normally there are thousands of tweets and infos after a Israeli Strike.

yes, that's old news...

Sep 10


new photos
Oct 12

Syrian radar and operatives said that missiles were fired from within Lebanese airspace. Israel denies it all. The base was over 17 km away from the site that got it. I think the pantsirs were too far out by a few km for it to effectively take out a pgm.

Or they did not bother to engage the missile for whatever reason. It was rumored Russia doesn't fully tolerate Hezbollah as is.

Yes, But Russia said that they shot down Heron UAV over Masyaf(that info from Army2017). So it looks like they do not tolerate Israel either.

After all, who are you to fly UAVs over new Russian S400 site 15km from Masyaf?

Israel or someone else, you are going down, so it seems.

Pgms are a bit different than AGM's which in this case would be harder for Russia to shoot down from about ~20km away with pantsir. Those F-15's of Israel terrain hugged in Lebanon using mountains to their advantage to avoid Russian and Syrian AD.

But this is pointless talk. We don't know full events to really say.

From a fairly credible account...

tiger forces captured al-mayadin
https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/919113588324864000

Military source confirmed to Muraselon website that the Syrian units Tiger Forces– backed by Russian air support – have fully liberated AL-Mayadeen in Eastern Dier Ezzor Countryside

Earlier on Thursday the Syrian units have completely encircled Al-Mayadeen city from the northern and southern axes

The engineering units are clearing the controlled areas to dismantle the IEDs and booby traps planted by ISIS.

https://muraselon.com/en/2017/10/breaking-syrian-army-liberates-isis-key-city-deir-ezzor/

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the area in blue was the IS held portion of the town till today

Cyberspec wrote:From a fairly credible account...

tiger forces captured al-mayadin
https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/919113588324864000

Military source confirmed to Muraselon website that the Syrian units Tiger Forces– backed by Russian air support – have fully liberated AL-Mayadeen in Eastern Dier Ezzor Countryside

Earlier on Thursday the Syrian units have completely encircled Al-Mayadeen city from the northern and southern axes

The engineering units are clearing the controlled areas to dismantle the IEDs and booby traps planted by ISIS.

https://muraselon.com/en/2017/10/breaking-syrian-army-liberates-isis-key-city-deir-ezzor/

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the area in blue was the IS held portion of the town till today

Another news site backing the claim. Now they can move to capture oil fields and iraqi border.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-liberates-isis-capital-city/

This time it looks like it is true. That was fast. let's see what is next SAA move.

File this one under "lie down with dogs, wake up with your head on your chest." Nsfw.

Horrific images: ISIS executes Kurdish fighters at oil field in Deir Ezzor
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/horrific-images-isis-executes-kurdish-fighters-oil-field-deir-ezzor/

calm wrote:This time it looks like it is true. That was fast. let's see what is next SAA move.

Looks like they are going after the oil fields. But might have to wait in till Deir city is liberated

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-eyes-deir-ezzors-largest-oil-fields-isis-retreats-albukamal/