Syrian War: News #15

calm wrote:


All this shit because i said that i do not trust to Maria Zakharova claims about one river crossing.
I see who the real intoxicators are here. Good job.

JohninMK wrote:Looks like they could be getting closer to creating a suitable crossing point with some protection either side and hard banks both sides. Haven't seen it but some are claiming Russia is denying hitting the SDF, whoever did it it ain't going to be good for SDF confidence!

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JohninMK wrote:Looks like they could be getting closer to creating a suitable crossing point with some protection either side and hard banks both sides. Haven't seen it but some are claiming Russia is denying hitting the SDF, whoever did it it ain't going to be good for SDF confidence!
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PapaDragon wrote:'

Seriously Kvs what's your problem here? I'm the one who said that Zakharova's statement should not be taken as a given (and it shouldn't, she is not in the military command chain) so If you have issues then direct it at me. 

Calm and John just quoted my post and Moron the Ehenia just did what he always does.

kvs wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:'

Seriously Kvs what's your problem here? I'm the one who said that Zakharova's statement should not be taken as a given (and it shouldn't, she is not in the military command chain) so If you have issues then direct it at me. 

Calm and John just quoted my post and Moron the Ehenia just did what he always does.

My problem is your smug, casual dismissals based on essentially twitter noise.   Zakharova clear is not playing the
role of Baghdad Bob and has no reason to make up stories.   I would bet she is much better informed than
anyone on this board since she has access to the people with actual information.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like they could be getting closer to creating a suitable crossing point with some protection either side and hard banks both sides. Haven't seen it but some are claiming Russia is denying hitting the SDF, whoever did it it ain't going to be good for SDF confidence!
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Naturally.

Thy also denied hitting FSA during Euphrates Shield. That incident was never resolved and remains a total mystery to this very day.

I have a feeling that this one will end up as ''cold case'' as well.

calm wrote:And 2 months later, and no evidence of capturing of T2.
But that is not for discussion, you are labeled by morons as intoxicator if you bring that up.

miketheterrible wrote:

calm wrote:And 2 months later, and no evidence of capturing of T2.
But that is not for discussion, you are labeled by morons as intoxicator if you bring that up.

And about a month ago, we learned that Pantsir systems were actually used when for over a year, we thought it sat idle.  What is your point?  You want confirmation for every little thing.  Maybe its time that you go to Syria and start taking photos then.

eehnie wrote:Now the intoxicators openly bullying kvs, lol

eehnie wrote:So obvious to see them spreading as true, all the fake reports of pro-US forces fast advance, and all the fake reports fabricated by pro-US sources about attacks of Russia to the Kurdis (a war they desperately want to promote), while they put all their salt, they talk about fake news and they treat M Zakharova like unreliable source.

So obvious to see them ignoring how US officials rejected the Kurd referendum in Iraq...

...in order to continue promoting the hate to the Kurds between pro-Russian people in places like this.

calm wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

http://en.hawarnews.com/syrian-russian-regimes-attacked-sdf/

Just a little "mistake" like south of Raqqa.  


After the latest Syrian offensive took Isis forces west of Raqqa by surprise – a Russian air strike had mistakenly targeted a Kurdish position. “That is why we set up our centre here 10 days ago,” he said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-isis-russia-kurdish-ypg-happening-in-secret-a7857471.html

The Independent is a British online newspaper.[2] Established in 1986 as an independent national morning newspaper published in London, it was controlled by Tony O'Reilly's Independent News & Media from 1997 until it was sold to Russian oligarch Alexander Lebedev in 2010.[3] The last printed edition of The Independent was published Saturday 20 March 2016, leaving only its digital editions.[2]

Political career[edit]
In 2003, Lebedev stood as a candidate for elections to the Mayoralty of Moscow and the State Duma. He received 13% in the Mayoral elections, losing to Yuriy Luzhkov, but won a seat in the State Duma on the Rodina party list (he was actually number one on the Moscow regional list of the party). He remained in the Duma until 2007, when new elections were held. In the Duma, he initially moved from socialist/nationalist "Rodina" to the pro-Government United Russia fraction,[3] but after Rodina was merged into the larger socialist coalition Fair Russia, he made his return.

Lebedev was formerly the Vice Chairman of Duma's committee on the Commonwealth of Independent States, the coordinator of Duma's group on interactions with Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, and the coordinator of the State Duma group dealing with the city.[3]

Lebedev, together with the former President of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, is the owner of 49% of Novaya Gazeta, one of the most vocal newspapers critical of the current Russian Government.[19]

After the assassination of a prominent Novaya Gazeta journalist Anna Politkovskaya, Lebedev praised in print the talents of Politkovskaya and suggested her assassins were actually trying to target the good names of her opponents.[20] He pledged 25 million Russian rubles (around US$1 million) for the information leading to the arrest of the assassins.[20]

Lebedev is a founder and the President of the National Investment Council, a non-political and non-government organization working to improve the investment sentiments in Russia, protecting interests of the Russian business abroad, and fighting the negative sentiments towards Russian business.[3]

In September 2008, Russian politician Mikhail Gorbachev announced he was going to make a comeback to Russian politics along with Lebedev.[21] Their party was called the Independent Democratic Party of Russia.

In March 2009, Lebedev announced that he would be running for mayor of Sochi, host of the 2014 Winter Olympics,[22] but a court ruling declared his candidacy invalid on 13 April 2009.[23] The court ruling was a result of a complaint by another candidate, Vladimir Turukhanovsky, that Lebedev's campaign received three donations from minors that is forbidden by Russian electoral law. According to the chief of Lebedev's electoral campaign, Artyom Artyomov, the three teenagers were led to Sberbank by a staff member of the Sochi council, given 500 rubles each (approximately $20), and told to donate the money to Lebedev's campaign. His campaigners sent the money back the same day, it was received but still it was found sufficient to disqualify his candidacy. Lebedev said that he intended to appeal the court's decision.[24]

A Just Russia declared absolute opposition to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's government, voting against the government's budgets in 2010 and 2011, while remaining strongly supportive of President Dmitry Medvedev and his modernisation programme.[1]

ATLASCUB wrote:One should always have a healthy degree of skepticism when digesting info from spokesman from ANY government and IF possible, double check with independant sources of info. This is basic. Now obviously every individual has preferences and biases when trusting certain sources vs. others and sometimes the issue is not about trust... but whether the info checks out with your base of knowledge of the matter at hand. This has gotten out of base for no reason other than settling personal scores. Mods got some cleaning to do.

JohninMK wrote:..........

It is................................ 'piss heads'...........................which can be used pretty brutally so I certainly would not want to claim I was one, even in jest. So keep using intoxicator in that mode

kvs wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:One should always have a healthy degree of skepticism when digesting info from spokesman from ANY government and IF possible, double check with independant sources of info. This is basic. Now obviously every individual has preferences and biases when trusting certain sources vs. others and sometimes the issue is not about trust... but whether the info checks out with your base of knowledge of the matter at hand. This has gotten out of base for no reason other than settling personal scores. Mods got some cleaning to do.

Unlike the clowns working as spokesmen/women for the USA, Zakharova has not engaged in rivers of propaganda drivel.   Clearly,
such a US-style circus does not suit Russia's interests.   Russia cannot hope to gain anything from US-style lie factory spew.

Like I said, Zakharova is not Baghdad Bob and your "independent" sources consist mostly of fake stream media and other such
dubious outfits.   Zakharova was putting out information that is in possession of Russian forces on the frontlines in Syria.   All
the western media outlets have journalists sitting in hotels outside Syria writing articles based on jihadi excrement such as
"The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights".  

All these maps being posted here about force distributions around Deir ez-Zor are pure conjecture based on twitter and social
media chatter.   I don't recall much twitter activity from Deir ez-Zor residents during the seige and up until now.   Do you think
SAA officers post twitter information on their deployments?

miketheterrible wrote:3) Tiger and Russian forces did cross river, isn't classified info, just not documented because no media groups are or were present for the river crossing as they don't want to give exact position as to their pontoons were placed. We already noted Pontoons were indeed on the move.

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:3) Tiger and Russian forces did cross river, isn't classified info, just not documented because no media groups are or were present for the river crossing as they don't want to give exact position as to their pontoons were placed. We already noted Pontoons were indeed on the move.

Classified info?

And she just casually goes on air and broadcasts it to the planet?