Syrian War: News #15

In case the US declares all territory east of the euphrates as an independent kurdish nation and Putin(along with Iran and Turkey) shits himself and agrees to the deal, Could Assad successfully fund armed Baathist uprisings in the SDFistan?

Syrian Civil War Map‏ @CivilWarMap 13m13 minutes ago

Deir Ezzor Military Council Commander Rashid Abu Khawla:

"Nobody crossed the Euphrates. The Russian statement is just propaganda"

https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/908815699036065792

This story has legs

Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge

#BREAKING Russian MFA spox Maria Zakharova said that SAA ( #SPECTSNAZ )have crossed the Euphrates river



https://twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/908825638131294208

KomissarBojanchev wrote:In case the US  declares all territory east of the euphrates as an independent kurdish nation and Putin(along with Iran and Turkey) shits himself and agrees to the deal, Could Assad successfully fund armed Baathist uprisings in the SDFistan?

Kurdistan will not work..
They can claim santa claus exist and even their independence and it will be meaningless.
Independence is much more than words.. Nations to be really independent needs a solid economy..needs a united Goverment.. Syrian Kurds are not united.. there are pro RUssian
kurds and Pro US.. there are Christian kurds and Muslin kurds too. Russia will try to be
mediator so Kurds and Syria can negotiate to restore the territorial integrity of Syria.
A country to exist also needs International support.. United Nations will not support Kurds
independence.. Spain who have its own independence movements will not support it.. Uk even less ,with scotland independence movement..Italy neither.. Germany have bavaria who wants independence or France could split too.. society very divided.. not even ukraine will support
an independence anywhere because will invalidate their claims over Crimea.

All border countries of Kurdistan in Syria and IRAQ.. oppose their independence. So without
an open route for trade .. Kurdistan will not work. land locked nations cannot exist without support from its neighbors. So pro Independence Kurds in Syria and IRAQ will depend 100%
of United States and Israel to hold their economies and buy their trade.. But Syria can block
any trade from AMericans to Kurdistan.. once it restore control of every other part of Syria
and is strong ,can block Americans from flying over their own air space. so it will be very expensive for Americans to sustain not only Ukraine economy but also Kurdistan. So long term speaking Americans will be unable to hold kurdistan.. they will see the light... what chechens
saw , that as a land locked country they have no chance to be a country ever. And then Russia will create division among Kurds to make it even more difficult.. In short Kurds are doomed..
Their independence in Syria is not possible without first defeating the Syrian army and Russia or Turkey  that oppose it. Americans and ISrael what they can do is annoy the Syrian Government of a few years more.. but eventually they will need to abandon the Kurdistan Project. And Turkey is too important for NATO ,they will never trade Turkey over Kurdistan.

The only zones that are most critical and important for Syria lasting security will be now ,
Idlib to capture it .and completely capture the pockets in all the "descalation zones".
In Hama,Homs,Damascus.. Syrian then they can later little by little take over the border
with Israel and then recover little by little over a decade Kurds occuppied zones.  So is not kurds the ones Syrians needs to be worried.. but Israel instead.. if they seek to restart a major
war.. to reverse all the gains of Russia. the pentagon could resort to reverse too all their cooperation with Russia.. all or nothing to try recapture all syria again ,risking to lose an honorable exit from the war.

It looks that the conflict in Syria can be seen the light at the end of the tunnel.
Still NATO could escalate The Ukraine conflict or restart a war in the balkans.. that will be
very expensive for Russia. to defend Serbia. My prediction is.. Russia will succeed in restoring
relations between Kurds and Syria..and US will have to abandon Syria and focus in IRAQ and IRAN..to appease Israel.

So thinking like the US elite thinks.. it will make more sense for them to behave like they
actually are cooperating with Russia in defeat ISIS in Syria.. keep some troops there for show , and clean a little their image.. and focus instead in directing ISIS towards IRAN from IRAQ border and from Afganistan. Even if ISIS don't defeat IRAN it will starve IRAN economy as they did to Syria. Restarting the war in Syria however will be shortsighted.. since will create more refugees that will end in Europe. and Russia have been able to achieve peace progress that NATO can't deny.. In my opinion Russia needs to start elections quick ..monitored by UN and international observers..so no longer US can continue with the chemical weapons propaganda or assad must go.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/politics/deir-ezzor-syria-us-assad-russia/index.html?sr=twCNN091417deir-ezzor-syria-us-assad-russia0726PMVODtopLink

Talk that crossing the Euphrates by the SAA is "fiction" is actually delusional fantasy itself.

Syrian Arab Army fully capture Mari'iyah island and continue operations in Mari'iyah - Jafrah axis east of DeirEzzor city
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/908735538387066880


Allegly this island.
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.293936&lon=40.236697&z=16&m=b&search=Hama

http://www.voltairenet.org/article197866.html




?????????

Note how the intoxicators prefer to call liar or unreliable source to M Zakharova, spokeswoman of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Russian Federation, before than to admit that the SAA crossed the river without attack of the US.

They pretend to be me more reliable than her....

http://en.hawarnews.com/syrian-russian-regimes-attacked-sdf/

eehnie wrote:Note how the intoxicators prefer to call liar or unreliable source to M Zakharova, spokeswoman of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Russian Federation, before than to admit that the SAA crossed the river without attack of the US.

They pretend to be me more reliable than her....

I already said that SAA will cross a river and that US is done in Syria.

I think that you are the propagandists and intoxicator here. Trying to destroy this forum with your nonsense. Here you are insinuating that i would like to see SAA attacked by US.Another pile of shit and nonsense from you, only explanation is that you are working very clever on degrading discussion on this forum by pretending to be something you're clearly not.

About US. It's my family and my country that fought against their aggression 18y ago. So cut those bullshit accusations. I made my position toward the US policy very clear since the start of participation on this forum. But that doesn't mean that i will trust in everything that Russian officials say or do, and that certainly does not make me intoxicated.

We here learned to think different than the rest of the Balkans, maybe even then the rest of the word. Because we cannot count on help from Russia like Syria do. And we certainly cannot count on anything from the west expect raining iron if we push tu much.

Stop thinking that world is white and black, you are intoxicating your reality.

KiloGolf wrote:

http://en.hawarnews.com/syrian-russian-regimes-attacked-sdf/

Just a little "mistake" like south of Raqqa.


After the latest Syrian offensive took Isis forces west of Raqqa by surprise – a Russian air strike had mistakenly targeted a Kurdish position. “That is why we set up our centre here 10 days ago,” he said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-isis-russia-kurdish-ypg-happening-in-secret-a7857471.html

Vann7 wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:In case the US  declares all territory east of the euphrates as an independent kurdish nation and Putin(along with Iran and Turkey) shits himself and agrees to the deal, Could Assad successfully fund armed Baathist uprisings in the SDFistan?

Kurdistan will not work..
They can claim santa claus exist and even their independence and it will be meaningless.
Independence is much more than words.. Nations to be really independent needs a solid economy..needs a united Goverment.. Syrian Kurds are not united.. there are pro RUssian
kurds and Pro US.. there are Christian kurds and Muslin kurds too. Russia will try to be
mediator so Kurds and Syria can negotiate to restore the territorial integrity of Syria.
A country to exist also needs International support.. United Nations will not support Kurds
independence.. Spain who have its own independence movements will not support it.. Uk even less ,with scotland independence movement..Italy neither.. Germany have bavaria who wants independence or France could split too.. society very divided.. not even ukraine will support
an independence anywhere because will invalidate their claims over Crimea.

All border countries of Kurdistan in Syria and IRAQ.. oppose their independence. So without
an open route for trade .. Kurdistan will not work. land locked nations cannot exist without support from its neighbors. So pro Independence Kurds in Syria and IRAQ will depend 100%
of United States and Israel to hold their economies and buy their trade.. But Syria can block
any trade from AMericans to Kurdistan.. once it restore control of every other part of Syria
and is strong ,can block Americans from flying over their own air space. so it will be very expensive for Americans to sustain not only Ukraine economy but also Kurdistan. So long term speaking Americans will be unable to hold kurdistan.. they will see the light... what chechens
saw , that as a land locked country they have no chance to be a country ever. And then Russia will create division among Kurds to make it even more difficult.. In short Kurds are doomed..
Their independence in Syria is not possible without first defeating the Syrian army and Russia or Turkey  that oppose it. Americans and ISrael what they can do is annoy the Syrian Government of a few years more.. but eventually they will need to abandon the Kurdistan Project. And Turkey is too important for NATO ,they will never trade Turkey over Kurdistan.

The only zones that are most critical and important for Syria lasting security will be now ,
Idlib to capture it .and completely capture the pockets in all the "descalation zones".
In Hama,Homs,Damascus.. Syrian then they can later little by little take over the border
with Israel and then recover little by little over a decade Kurds occuppied zones.  So is not kurds the ones Syrians needs to be worried.. but Israel instead.. if they seek to restart a major
war.. to reverse all the gains of Russia. the pentagon could resort to reverse too all their cooperation with Russia.. all or nothing to try recapture all syria again ,risking to lose an honorable exit from the war.

It looks that the conflict in Syria can be seen the light at the end of the tunnel.
Still NATO could escalate The Ukraine conflict or restart a war in the balkans.. that will be
very expensive for Russia. to defend Serbia. My prediction is.. Russia will succeed in restoring
relations between Kurds and Syria..and US will have to abandon Syria and focus in IRAQ and IRAN..to appease Israel.

So thinking like the US elite thinks.. it will make more sense for them to behave like they
actually are cooperating with Russia in defeat ISIS in Syria.. keep some troops there for show , and clean a little their image.. and focus instead in directing ISIS towards IRAN from IRAQ border and from Afganistan. Even if ISIS don't defeat IRAN it will starve IRAN economy as they did to Syria.  Restarting the war in Syria however will be shortsighted.. since will create more refugees that will end in Europe. and Russia have been able to achieve peace progress that NATO can't deny.. In my opinion Russia needs to start elections quick ..monitored by UN and international observers..so no longer US can continue with the chemical weapons propaganda or assad must go.

I agree with the overall point...the Kurdistan project is a nuisance project by Israel and the U.S. They'll milk it to the point of exhaustion until their hands are forced to give up (and someone (in plural) is going to have to force their hand). This should have been prevented, early on when Russia intervened. So long term, it's not an issue, unless in the short-mid term the Kurds are used as a false flag to destabilize Turkey or Iran with a regime change putsch. For that the U.S will have to move quick tho... Turkey IS THE KEY to their puzzle so Erdogan's life and his attache continues to be a premium commodity.

They tried to take out Erdogan, which in theory, if successful, would of allowed the partition of Syria and with it a new Kurdish state. The Turks are so stupid words can't even begin to describe my disgust with their leadership but hey.... it's what it's. Ally with the devil? Get backstabbed by the devil.

As for hotpoints in the balkans.... won't be Serbia, appears Moldova is in the cooking jar. The noose will continue to close in on Russia. They already have the three stooges in Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia. They also destroyed Yugoslavia beyond repair (their first act of drawing blood) and now they partially have Ukraine. Belarus is the only buffer standing. Make no mistake, they'll come for Belarus as well. U.S leads the pack but France/UK/Germany/Poland and the rest of the stoogies are ALL in the racket as well. The Scandanivians are also on their camp.

The dissolution of the U.S.S.R is, indeed, like Putin said, the biggest geopolitical disaster of the 20st century. How Gorby didn't hang atop red square with his wrist slit in 1991 astonishes me till this day.

A bit more. Best thing of course is that it shows that there is no 'Euphrates is the dividing line' agreement in place. Just a matter of time before the SAA smash there way across to the Iraqi border. No wonder the SDF stopped where it did. Definitely things agreed or accepted that we know nothing about going down.


TheMoroccanBaathist‏ @MorocanArab 33m33 minutes ago

TheMoroccanBaathist Retweeted Hassan Ridha

#BREAKING:

6 SDF soldiers wounded after Syrian/Russian warplanes conducted airstrikes on their positions north Deir Ezzor city.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ1Ny76WAAIJ6mF.png

Or it could have been here


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ1UKtLVoAEtM2k.jpg

calm wrote:

eehnie wrote:Note how the intoxicators prefer to call liar or unreliable source to M Zakharova, spokeswoman of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Russian Federation, before than to admit that the SAA crossed the river without attack of the US.

They pretend to be me more reliable than her....

I already said that SAA will cross a river and that US is done in Syria.

I think that you are the propagandists and intoxicator here. Trying to destroy this forum with your nonsense. Here you are insinuating that i would like to see SAA attacked by US.Another pile of shit and nonsense from you, only explanation is that you are working very clever on degrading discussion on this forum by pretending to be something you're clearly not.

About US. It's my family and my country that fought against their aggression 18y ago. So cut those bullshit accusations. I made my position toward  the US policy very clear since the start of participation on this forum. But that doesn't mean that i will trust in everything that Russian officials say or do, and that certainly does not make me intoxicated.

We here learned to think different than the rest of the Balkans, maybe even then the rest of the word. Because we cannot count on help from Russia like Syria do. And we certainly cannot count on anything from the west expect raining iron if we push tu much.

Stop thinking that world is white and black, you are intoxicating your reality.

Oh yes, yes, we know.

This is the level of discussion you want we have in this forum in order to avoid its destruction.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t7016p450-syrian-civil-war-news-15#204676

calm wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Salt required

Maria Zaharova - SAA crossed Euphrates (9:42)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UhWZeoyFI

Could be fake, like the claim about capturing of T2 last month.
maybe some kind of message to Americans.

But we will see. Some reliable sources reported the same last night.

Could be fake, no less. From the spokeswoman of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Russian Federation.

What a level of discussion this what you promote....

That is not discussion, that is a statement. I do not believe in particular part of it, about SAA crossing the Euphrates. That is the right of everyone here. I am waiting for the evidence, or for the Syrian mod claim/video.
SAA captured 1 island, maybe she spoke about that.

Do you really believe in every single word that spokeswoman or someone from Russia said? You need to develop yourself to think more critically and to analyse presented evidence.

I believed them about T2 2 months ago, but turned out that it was never captured. What about that?

https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/908986055810011137

Seems that ISIS convoy finally made it through, quite a trip. Normal biased article on the subject with not a single mention of the Lebanese Government's involvement.

The Americans agreed to the request, and the convoy slipped into Islamic State territory late Wednesday night, arriving in Mayadin 17 days after setting out from the Lebanese border. On Thursday it headed further south to Abu Kamal, on the Iraqi border, and by Friday, according to Syrian anti-regime activists and to Iraqi officials in the border area, parts of the convoy had crossed into Qaim, Iraq, in western Anbar Province, also an ISIS-held area, arousing anger among Iraqi officials.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/world/middleeast/syria-isis-convoy-us.html?ref=todayspaper

eehnie wrote:

calm wrote:

eehnie wrote:Note how the intoxicators prefer to call liar or unreliable source to M Zakharova, spokeswoman of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Russian Federation, before than to admit that the SAA crossed the river without attack of the US.

They pretend to be me more reliable than her....

I already said that SAA will cross a river and that US is done in Syria.

I think that you are the propagandists and intoxicator here. Trying to destroy this forum with your nonsense. Here you are insinuating that i would like to see SAA attacked by US.Another pile of shit and nonsense from you, only explanation is that you are working very clever on degrading discussion on this forum by pretending to be something you're clearly not.

About US. It's my family and my country that fought against their aggression 18y ago. So cut those bullshit accusations. I made my position toward  the US policy very clear since the start of participation on this forum. But that doesn't mean that i will trust in everything that Russian officials say or do, and that certainly does not make me intoxicated.

We here learned to think different than the rest of the Balkans, maybe even then the rest of the word. Because we cannot count on help from Russia like Syria do. And we certainly cannot count on anything from the west expect raining iron if we push tu much.

Stop thinking that world is white and black, you are intoxicating your reality.

Oh yes, yes, we know.

This is the level of discussion you want we have in this forum in order to avoid its destruction.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t7016p450-syrian-civil-war-news-15#204676

calm wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Salt required

Maria Zaharova - SAA crossed Euphrates (9:42)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UhWZeoyFI

Could be fake, like the claim about capturing of T2 last month.
maybe some kind of message to Americans.

But we will see. Some reliable sources reported the same last night.

Could be fake, no less. From the spokeswoman of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Russian Federation.

What a level of discussion this what you promote....

Too many NATO residents on this board. They have been trained, like Pavlov's dogs, to knee-jerk discount anything
Russia says. Because the angels of truth only live in the "west" (which does not include South America, etc.), i.e. NATO.

I am glad to see Russia making bombing "mistakes" on Uncle Scumbag's minions. Time to force feed Uncle Scumbag his
own shit.

Meanwhile

Yusha Yuseef Verified account @MIG29_ 3h3 hours ago

#Exclusive : Syrian Army denies striking Kurdish militia in Deir Ezzor.
@Muraselon

MLRS or even artillery strike?

Syrian Civil War Map‏ @CivilWarMap 29m29 minutes ago

SDF statement regarding the Russian airstrikes on SDF positions in Deir ez-Zor


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ2NM_yWsAE9OC4.jpg

Peto's maps are always worth putting up




HD version

http://www.mediafire.com/view/liflbnzhisihsb4/Deir%20Ezzor_16.09.2017.jpg#

Not us Guv, try the Coalition

Earlier today reports emerged from the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) linked media that Syrian jets targeted units belonging to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Deir Ezzor countryside.

According to a reporter for ANHA, Syrian warplanes struck the SDF's positions in the Deir ez-Zor industrial area, injuring six fighters.

This however has been denied by a Syrian military source speaking exclusively to Muraselon.

“The Syrian Air Force is absolutely not responsible for the airstrike that hit the Kurdish forces located in the eastern bank of the Euphrates River,” the military source told Muraselon.

“As part of our mutual and continuous cooperation, we – the Syrian military – are informed in advance with and sorties conducted by the Russian Air Force. Hereby, I can confirm that our friend the Russians haven’t conducted any airstrike against the Kurds in east Deir Ezzor,” the source added.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/syrian-military-denies-targeting.html

kvs wrote:

Too many NATO residents on this board.   They have been trained, like Pavlov's dogs, to knee-jerk discount anything
Russia says.   Because the angels of truth only live in the "west" (which does not include South America, etc.), i.e. NATO.

I am glad to see Russia making bombing "mistakes" on Uncle Scumbag's minions.   Time to force feed Uncle Scumbag his
own shit.

No comment other than to say that I had not realized that FortRuss was a pro NATO operation.

On Friday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that the Syrian Army has crossed the Euphrates River at Deir Ezzor to continue its battle against ISIS, as reported earlier by Fort Russ News.

“Now we turn to the current agenda of international relations on the development of the situation in Syria. I would like to inform you that after a major victory in Deir ez-Zor, the Syrian Government Army continues to clear ISIS terrorists in the eastern regions of the country. The suburbs of this provincial centre have been liberated. The advanced units successfully crossed the Euphrates River, reaching its eastern shore,” she said.

However this has proven to be incorrect in a rare mishap by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Military sources in Syria have said that the Syrian Army are yet to cross the Euphrates. Without the control of Jafra and Saqr Island, it is impossible for the Syrian Army to cross the Euphrates without sustaining considerable casualties.

Meanwhile, the Syrian Democratic Forces are yet to reach the river and are currently battling through the Industrial Area of Deir Ezzor.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/update-syrian-army-are-yet-to-cross.html

kvs wrote:Too many NATO residents on this board.   They have been trained, like Pavlov's dogs, to knee-jerk discount anything
Russia says.   Because the angels of truth only live in the "west" (which does not include South America, etc.), i.e. NATO.

I am glad to see Russia making bombing "mistakes" on Uncle Scumbag's minions.   Time to force feed Uncle Scumbag his
own shit.

Is this pile of shit directed to me? If so go to hell.
We are the ones who actually fought against NATO and their dogs. Not with bullshit words on forums. But with arms in our hands.

All this shit because i said that i do not trust to Maria Zakharova claims about one river crossing.
I see who the real intoxicators are here. Good job.