The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

Yes, the fulfillment of the promises is different from the promise. You need a catchy idea to inspire and differentiate your country. Ideas can be addictive too.

Yeah, when you make promises to all of your people and then just follow policies funded by big business and the rich to ensure they stay rich and get richer then all those fancy promises to the people of the country actually become lies.

That being said, the average eastern European still thinks the EU and US models are fairer for him and will make him richer and culturally more advanced compared to what Russia has to offer.

Then he is an idiot... the EU model is control by unelected officials that dictate to everyone what they must do and what they must think, and the US model is two opposing parties with no third alternative in any part of the government structure with power, so when one party has a president but the other party controls congress and the senate it really isn't a democracy any more... it is the party the country elected to power being blocked from doing what he promised to do to get elected in the hopes he wont win reelection and they can get their leader in next time... what sort of fucked up system is that?

Again reality and perception are 2 different things. Some men accept living with unfaithful wives ...

Indeed... the biggest critics of democracy in Russia are the EU and the US... they have no shame at all... especially when they fund the opposition parties every election... parties that register less than 1% most of the time, but scream blue murder at the suggestion that Russian hackers might have been involved in a western election... whether it changed a single vote or not is not important... they interfered...

Why should any one care what those dicks think, or eastern europeans for that matter... if america is so damn wonderful... enjoy your future... PS the don't care about you in the slightest they couldn't care less to fighting in europe... they encourage it when they can because wars in europe are amusing as long as they don't need to get involved.

Actually most of them probably think another world war is just what america needs... they had a huge economic boost after the last two world wars...

An Ukrainian neonazi wants USSR v 2.0 - brilliant.

So even the ukrainian nazis want Russian resources and think it is how they will develop and grow... so no wonder they love the US and EU... who think the same way... but their colonial method is wrong.

Traditionally you steal a countries resources by finding an underdog minority that you help put in power... that underdog minority will have been abused and ill treated by the majority for centuries so they wont mind bloody oppression of the majority and cruel treatment, and handing over the countries resources to maintain their position is a small price to pay.

Their problem was that no post cold war Russian government has been hostile to the US or the west, they probably expected better treatment and more respect, but they have not been actually anti west at all... but current western treatment is forcing them to turn east away from the west with the general support of the population who has seen the west at its worst.

The west has treated Russian following its own interests as being anti western behaviour and is still punishing it for not doing as it is told... something I rather doubt Russia would ever do... why should they start now?

Of course Russia thought the cold war was about communism but communism was the excuse... the west would actually love Russia to become communist again because that would make them less of an economic and political rival... less competition.

I would say before reading that article that there is no point in cutting off something they make money in trade upon... it is not like Poroshenko would suddenly say OK that is too much lets be friends and stop this nonsense now.

With a new guy in charge of a sinking ship, this is another hole that needs to be filled... one of many... and it will be a good test for the future... is he going to start rolling back the sanctions and talk or is he going to try Poroshenkos method that has thus far totally failed and put the ukraine in the position it is today...

After reading the article it seems to suggest that the new guy would not have a chance to win previously and that only now does it make sense for him to put his hat in to the ring, and that by the same token Russia cutting off everything would have directed anger at them for being the bad guys, but now cutting off fuel and the other things they are stopping are basically just narrowing the options of the new guy... and one of the options it removes from the table is a full scale armoured invasion of the donbass because that would require a lot of fuel to achieve... it also weakens the Ukraine in so many areas that their loss of gas transit fees is really going to bite much harder.

NATO's big plans aren't working out.

But are they?

I doubt NATO cares about how many Ukrainians on either side die or suffer, this is just a conflict taking place on Russias border, considering that peace is not an option because it does not get them anything and makes them look bad because their proxy force is in an economic sink hole... a conflict could be used to explain their poor economic situation... Ukraine is kept poor because those evil Russians and their terrorist proxies keep the place in continual conflict where everyone suffers... assuming the people they are speaking to ignore who is firing the shells at whom and why of course...

The new president has made little real difference at all... no surprises there.

The Ukraines best chance of a better future was better relations and trade with Russia and negotiations with those in the districts rebelling to work out some sort of peaceful compromise, but none of that seems to be happening... so basically more of the same...