S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

franco wrote:

Isos wrote:Well no it's the opposite since Russia is upgrading its old smaller systems like tunguska or Osa systems and replacing its S-300 with S-400.

They have now some 80 S-400.

80 TEL's or battalions?

57 battalions in 2019. I guess it increased since then. Maybe 80 is a bit too much.

Russian wiki says 71 with over 560 TEL.

S-500 Prometheus: 'Killer of F-35' Has Undergone Combat Missile Trials & is Coming Soon, by Ekaterina Blinova for Sputniknews. 13.07.2021.

The new generation S-500 Prometheus air defence system developed by the Russian arms company Almaz-Antey, the same group that produced the S-300 and S-400, has successfully completed a series of tests including combat missile launches, according to the Commander of the Missile Defence Troops of the Russian Air Force, Maj. Gen. Sergei Babakov.

Speaking to the Russian news outlet Krasnaya Zvezda last week, Major General Babakov elaborated that the S-500 has been developed as a completely new generation of anti-aircraft systems aimed at taking down medium-range ballistic missiles, and, if necessary, intercontinental ballistic missiles in the final stage of their flight path. In addition to this, the S-500 is capable of destroying hypersonic aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles, according to him.

"The S-500 air defence system is capable of destroying hypersonic weapons of all modifications, including in near space, in addition to aerodynamic and ballistic targets, which makes it possible to say with confidence that this system is unique", Maj. Gen. Babakov said.

Russia's new defence weapon can reportedly engage enemy ballistic missiles at a range of up to 600 kilometres and aircraft at about 500 kilometres.

The military official explained that the combat drills involved firing at targets possessing technical specifications similar to modern aerospace attack weapons or those with more advanced capabilities.

According to the major general, anti-aircraft missile crews hone their skills by intercepting both small-sized, low-flying, low-speed objects that mimic unmanned aerial vehicles and high-altitude, high-speed targets that mimic hypersonic missiles.

Moreover, the Russian Air Force has also taken into account the experience gained during the aerial campaign in the Syrian Arab Republic. All incidents of using weapons and anti-aircraft missile military equipment is being carefully studied and employed during the drills, Babakov highlighted.

Russia's military schools and academies of the Ministry of Defence as well as the country's technical universities are training specialists for anti-aircraft missile crews in the nation's Air Force, the major general noted, adding that this year over 1,000 graduates have taken up their duties in this branch of the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

S-500: Successor to S-400 or Entirely New Weapon?

Last December, Russian Deputy Defence Minister Alexei Krivoruchko revealed that the S-500 missile system and the Voronezh long-range early-warning radars could enter service as early as in 2021, following the completion of trials.

Long-range early warning radars are the backbone of any missile defence complex. The Voronezh family, which monitors airspace against ballistic missile and aircraft attacks has three variations: Voronezh-M (metre band), Voronezh-DM (decimeter band), and Voronezh-SM (centimeter band). All three operate in a single system making it capable of determining target parameters and type more precisely.

In early April 2021, Almaz-Antey signalled that the new S-500 air defence system was about to wrap up trials this year. It is expected that the new state-of-the-art Prometheus system will be delivered to the Russian Armed Forces once its combat tests are completed. In the future, the unique long-range air defence complex is due to become become the cornerstone of a unified national air and missile defence system.
On 28 June, during a meeting with top graduates from military schools and academies of the Ministry of Defence, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that the S-500 Prometheus anti-aircraft system, Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile, and Zircon ship-based hypersonic missiles would soon be put on combat duty along with other advanced military complexes.

The development of the S-500 prompted a heated debate among western military observers who particularly raised the alarm over the system's reported ability to successfully thwart the US aircraft's low-observable (LO) technology: "Of all the Kremlin's latest weapons projects, the S-500 is among Russia's most direct and potent answers to US fifth-generation stealth fighter jets like Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II and F-22 Raptor", the National Interest underscored on 27 May 2021.

"S-500s would be ideal for providing regional ballistic missile defence along Russia's European borders with NATO", the Drive wrote in May 2018. "It is in many ways roughly analogous to the US-made Terminal High Altitude Area Defence system, or THAAD, though the goal is clearly to offer flexibility to respond to more conventional aerial threats, as well".

According to foreign observers, the S-500 can't be called a pure "successor" to the S-400: it's an entirely new weapon, designed to fulfill a broader set of strategic tasks.

https://sputniknews.com/russia/202107131083378120-s-500-prometheus-killer-of-f-35-has-undergone-combat-missile-trials--is-coming-soon/

NOT just the IR bands but potentially UV as well in regards to sensors?

If the 300's such as the SA-10 and 12's are potentially being pushed aside I am sure their are plenty of countries willing to pick them up. I like the flexibility of the SA-12 with the two different missile systems. I am unsure of the thin fabric covering the hexagonal radar. How much weather protection would that actually provide? Particular in places that have hail.

Alexander Lukashenko said that Belarus is interested in the supply of Russian S-400 air defense systems. 

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that his country is interested in the supply of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.

"Such a question has been put before the President of Russia, so that S-400s can be delivered to the Republic of Belarus at a reasonable price, on credit, because we don't have such money" – Lukashenko said at a meeting with journalists and members of the public on Monday. "The S-400 is of great interest to us. That is why we are just talking about it, and I am sure that we will get these complexes" – the Belarusian president said. 

Lukashenko said that part of the funds received from Russia as a loan for the construction of a nuclear power plant, Belarus plans to spend on the purchase of modern weapons in Russia. "We saved a lot of money at the nuclear power plant" – he said. "I am ready to say that there is a question about [the amount] from $300 million to $500 million, at domestic prices, this is a decent amount of military-technical equipment, including S-400,this is what we are talking about" – the Belarusian president said.

According to Alexander Lukashenko, he gave the order to ensure the safety of the Belarusian nuclear power plant from the air, and the most modern unit of the Belarusian air defense, equipped with Russian Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile systems, is deployed in the area of the plant. State Secretary of the Security Council of Belarus Alexander Volfovich, who was present at the meeting with the head of state, said that the plan for the development of the country's armed forces provides for the purchase of at least three more Tor-M2 batteries.

"At one time, we made a bet on the Tor-M2, it is a good weapon, we know how to use it, we know how to modernize it, we know how to restore and repair it" – the President said. He added that an armored vehicle repair plant in Belarus and several private enterprises are repairing and upgrading Russian S-300 and Buk anti-aircraft missile systems.

The armed forces of Belarus are preparing to re-equip their anti-aircraft missile forces and equip them with S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems developed in the Russian Federation, Major General Igor Golub, commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the country's armed Forces, said in January this year. First Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of the Russian Federation Andrey Boitsov said at the end of June this year that Russia is ready to consider the issue of supplying S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems and Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and gun systems to Belarus with a corresponding request from Minsk.

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But didn't Lukashenko say that Russians have neither brains nor money?

Why would he want their AA system?

PapaDragon wrote:Why would he want their AA system?

Because Lukashenko is trying to sit on two chairs at once. Today, Russians are bad and are to blame for all the troubles of Belarus, and tomorrow he calls us brothers, hoping to get another handout from Russia

This sitting already tore his ass apart.
We can say anything about batka but he is not smart as a rat.
At the moment he is busy licking his wounds along with VVP hand, so I guess some cash flowing back to Russia instead of regular direction is a part of a game.

Apologies in advance. I was reading up on the Abakan missile system. It's a two tube launcher am I correct in saying this is the same two tube launcher we have seen in pictures of past which is based on the S-300?

Was reading that Saudi Arabia is interesting in purchasing. Link below.

States the following

Russia’s Almaz-Antey Corporation unveiled the new 51P6E2 10×10 mobile surface-to-air missile launch platform for the 98R6E Abakan non-strategic ballistic missile defence...

Russia’s Almaz-Antey Corporation unveiled the new 51P6E2 10×10 mobile surface-to-air missile launch platform for the 98R6E Abakan non-strategic ballistic missile defence system at the Russian Federation Ministry of Defence’s Army 2020 International Military-Technical Forum, held in Kubinka, near Moscow between 23 and 29 August.

The 98R6E Abakan is a highly manoeuvrable multichannel system designed to protect critically sensitive military-industrial, government, and administrative facilities against tactical ballistic missiles.

The Abakan system includes a 98L6E mobile multifunctional ballistic target detection and tracking radar based on a 4×4 platform, and several 51P6E2 mobile launchers. The exact number of launchers depends on a combat task. The 51P6E2 launcher is furnished with two vertically launched cylindrical containers, each containing a 9M82MDE interceptor, and a deployable radar that can be folded down between the containers in transportation mode. A ready-to-use launcher weighs 53.5 tons and is controlled by a crew of two.

The new 51P6E2 launcher for the 98R6E Abakan non-strategic ballistic missile defence system was unveiled at the Russian Federation Ministry of Defence’s Army 2020 International Military-Technical Forum between 23 and 29 August. (N Novichkov)
The new 51P6E2 launcher for the 98R6E Abakan non-strategic ballistic missile defence system was unveiled at the Russian Federation Ministry of Defence’s Army 2020 International Military-Technical Forum between 23 and 29 August. (N Novichkov)

The Abakan is designed to engage aerial targets with a minimum radar cross-section of 0.02 m² at a distance of up to 30 km and at altitudes up to 25 km. Two 9M82MDE interceptors can be guided to a single target.

The launch vehicle has a range of 500 km on surfaced roads and produces a top speed of 60 km/h. The 51P6E2 has a stated deployment time of approximately six minutes, with preparation of the interceptor given as 7.5 seconds.



A few links
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.janes.com/amp/army-2020-almaz-antey-unveils-new-launcher-for-abakan-ballistic-missile-defence-system/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.janes.com/amp/army-2020-almaz-antey-unveils-new-launcher-for-abakan-ballistic-missile-defence-system/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2

https://focuswashington.com/2021/08/11/saudi-arabia-wants-to-replace-patriot-air-defense-with-russian-made-abakan-system/

GarryB wrote:Comparisons with the larger missile of the two S-300V missile suggests to me it is bigger than the bigger S-300V missile but with asimilar two tube launcher...

The range of SAMS against ballistic missiles is seriously effected by the very steep trajectories of such targets.

The PAC-3 Patriot has a range of about 20km for example.

So this is a completely different system to the two tube S300V?

Or is it an combination of S300V+S400+ S500? Never heard of Abakan system seems export only maybe

That's the same missile as on S-300VM with a newer radar that should be a derivative of what they made for s-500.

The system is made for protection of large cities or industries against BM.

S-300VM is heavy and made for protecting army units offroad.

S-300VM on wheels.

Any US attack on a S-400 installation will have to deal with a lot more than just what the S-400 has to offer in terms of an already formidable capability.

Let's take the example of the FA-18 coming in for a HARM strike on any of the radars of the S-400 system. The HARM missile has a very limited range of around 100kms. Now this alone is a huge problem already as the long range 40N6 missile has an engagement range of 400kms alone!

There are 5 different types of missiles the S-400 can use with a range from 40kms to 250kms and out to 400kms.

The powerful 91N6 S-band surveillance and tracking radar can track over 300 targets and has a range of 600kms and can apparently track stealth targets 150kms away. The problem is stealth aircraft can use the HARM missile only externally dramatically reducing it's stealth capabilities.

You also have the 96L6 all altitude acquisition radars to deal with. The export version can track 100 targets that can be detected 300kms away. The Russian version is probably far more capable.

You also have the 92N6E - an I/J Band multi-function phased-array trailer-mounted engagement radar with digital beam steering.
Another additional radar is the 76N6 radar for low altitude targets.

Apart from all these very capable radars and missiles the attacker would most probably also come under scrutiny of the A-50/100, Mig-31, Su-35, Su-30SM not to mention the SU-57's. Many 0ther Russian ground based radars would also be able to track any attack from great distances. Even passive radars can be used.

Most of the S-400 sites would also be protected by the Pantsir and Tor missile systems, each with it's own tracking and engagement radars. Trying to attack the S-400 from "the rear" as suggested in the video may sound easy but I think not!

Jamming and decoys can play a significant role in attempting to destroy the S-400 but you can expect an equal amount of jamming and the use of decoys from the other side.

All in all I would say the FA-18 strike aircraft have a very slim chance of launching any HARM missiles, let alone destroy the S-400 site.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Like Mir said, it's not just the S-400 they'll have to worry about. Export Pantsir-S1's recently shot down 22 out of 24 missiles Israel fired at various targets.

What they should worry about is Iskander and Kalibr hitting their strategic infrastructures like nuclear powerplants or oil storage.

Imagine for 2 second modern western socities without electricty and oil storage facilities.

And what is equally important, still missed by most of that quasi-experts, is the fact that any time Russian AD will engage in battle, it will be supported by a waste range of decoys, electronic countermeasures, false targets, and the whole integrated system that functionally no one in the world has.
They own and operate the system that has no equal in the whole world.
As far as we can be really impressed by the achievements of Israeli AD systems, with all due respect to them, those are not even close to the Russian one.
Not complex enough, not echeloned enough, not comparable in numbers.
It is just enough to sit&watch the performance of minimalized Russian-solution-based AD in Syria and compare it to the "epic astonishment" US achieved.
Not once. Not twice. Several times, with just the same results.
A fully developed, manned and on alert US Patriot-based system failed each and any time when checked.
Iranian SRBM and MRBM just struck the most important US airbases in Iraq. All of them, that had no in-flight malfunction.
Iranian old generation cruise missiles and inexpensive drones just hit the Saudi oil infrastructure on multiple occasions, leaving THAAD, PAC2, and PAC3 systems there 100% impotent.
This farse continuous, and it is quite obvious to any sane observer why they have withdrawn most of the AD assets from the middle east.
To avoid further humiliation, that would put some serious questions to the whole Hollywood projected "military might" of the Murica.

I find it quite funny watching ze vezt fanboys ejaculating in those YT productions. It was really something to watch how they throw shit on Pancyrs in Libya or Syria, those being vulnerable to Turk drones. Without commenting that in case of applying the same drone strategy to any single NATO army, the only thing those could do would be throwing stones at them because they all lack any reasonable mobile AD systems for land forces Hell, US Army has functionally nothing that can deal with anything hovering above 5000m, imagine that A Stinger/Hellfire on wheels? Bitch, please

That could actually work as this would be a combo of good old stuff designed to work instead of burning taxpayers money

By the way, I just remembered something.
Just in a time when Iranian ballistic missiles smashed on the US airfields in Iraq, Israel (probably, but it started in Qatar) tried to penetrate Iranian air defence with some low altitude drone.
A drone was tracked by S-300 system battery radar, and shoot down with Herz-9 on spot.

Any link about this story of iranian AD vs drone ?

GarryB wrote:In ten years time will the strategy be B-52s and air launched Honest John II missiles?

Probably has a greater chance of success, too. All jokes aside, when the US talks about taking out S-300's and S-400, they're almost exclusively talking about export SAM's like the ones China, Iran and Venezuela operate, that may not be protected by medium and short range air defenses like Russian SAM's always are, not to mention how retardedly Syria was using the Pantsir-S in earlier years which lead to losing 2 or 3 of them to the Israeli Harop and the traitorous Armenian President deliberately leaving S-300 components exposed on the frontlines for Azerbaijan to destroy with Turkish drones. Incompetence and Sabotage will play a greater role in any S-300/400 systems being destroyed in future conflicts.