S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

That's similar to il-38 elint antenna.

Preparation of the S-400 VVO air defense system for taking up combat duty

Training complex 16YU6T "Tembr-T" for S300/400.
Hi friend, could you please explain what bag is?
I can see many Russian soilder used it.
https://www.otofun.net/threads/tinh-hinh-nga-ukraine-trung-a-trung-dong-vol-146.1807551/page-13#post-63019156

The bag is for a gas mask.

How does the Aster 30 air defense system developed by France and Italy compare to the S-300 and S-400 systems?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aster_(missile_family)

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/aster-30/



This is a quote from the website below:


"The presentation of all systems was excellent, but you left out the fact that the aster 30 has the best radar in the world, capable of intercepting two targets low and high at the same time, something that neither the Patriots nor the S-400 can do, and it is a significant advantage that a defense missile system can have."

https://autojournalism.com/top-10-best-air-defence-system-in-the-world/


Another thing what about the French Crotale air defense system is it effective?

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/magazine/crotale-how-leader-air-defence-missile-systems-keeps-its-edge

Aster is mostly used for naval applications and it simply is not as flexible as S-400 in terms of the missiles it can use.
As a newer designed system than the S-300 family or the Patriot of course it has some advantages.

I suppose the latest Crotale is better than anything the US has. But is still worse than recent equivalent Russian systems.
Just look at what happened with Chinese ships. They had Crotale in them at one point but they replaced it with their equivalent of the C-RAM some time ago.

TASS; Apr 25, 12:33 pm

Almaz-Antey expects Saudi Arabia to be interested in the S-400 air defense system

Concern CEO Yan Novikov noted that Riyadh is traditionally the largest importer of American weapons, including air defense and non-strategic missile defense systems.


MOSCOW, 25 April. /TASS/. The S-400 Triumph long-range and medium-range anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) developed by the Almaz-Antey concern, due to its high performance, can arouse the interest of Saudi Arabian military specialists. This opinion was expressed by the general director of the concern Yan Novikov.

“We expect that Saudi Arabia, having assessed the high performance of this anti-aircraft missile system [S-400] and our other products, will make an objective choice,” Novikov said in an interview with the National Defense magazine on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the establishment of the enterprise.

He noted that Saudi Arabia has traditionally been the largest importer of American weapons, including air defense and non-strategic missile defense systems. Its armed forces do not have similar Soviet and Russian systems. Saudi specialists received additional up-to-date information about Russian technology at the World Defense Show, an international arms exhibition held in Riyadh in March. The concern took part in this forum.

S-400 "Triumph" - Russian anti-aircraft missile system of long and medium range. Designed to destroy air attack and reconnaissance means (including aircraft made using the "stealth" technology) and any other air targets in conditions of intense fire and electronic countermeasures. In 2007, the S-400 was adopted by the Russian army.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14463795

no discussions about this ?

https://sputniknews.com/20220611/iran-slams-israel-over-damascus-airport-strike-as-satellite-snaps-purportedly-show-extent-of-damage-1096227005.html

serious destruction recently at damascus int airport destroyed ,by israel airforce high precision strike ,including runways..






Whenever Russian air defenses in syria intercept israeli missiles , the MoD brags about it .
but why there is silence now about the failure off russian air defenses to protect syria air space?
s-400s, S-300s ,pantsirs ,tors and buk ,syria have apparently not good enough.

so what was  ,the purpose again of those s-300s and short range air defenses that russia gave to syria?




After so many years , of russia gave their best air defenses to syria , by now , it should have been
expected a much better performance of russian air defenses.. apparently israel figure out ,and by proxy nato too , how to counter russian air defenses , and without much problems.

If This is an indication of the performance today of russian air defenses , how they deal versus israel and by proxy how could it do versus NATO , that will have help from israel too , then this doesn't
show a good picture for future for russia ,nation security at all ..even less for kalinigrad security and they will need to go back to the drawing board..  perhaps replacing russian air defenses with heavy use of energy weapons. Because doesn't look like the russian air defenses will do that well today , in defense against adversaries airforce.

Vann7 wrote:no discussions about this ?


If This is an indication of the performance today of russian air defenses , how they deal versus israel and by proxy how could it do versus NATO , that will have help from israel too , then this doesn't
show a good picture for future for russia ,nation security at all ..even less for kalinigrad security and they will need to go back to the drawing board..  perhaps replacing russian air defenses with  heavy use of energy weapons. Because doesn't look like the russian air defenses will do that well today , in defense against adversaries airforce.

I wonder where have you been for this long ?

If you really see things. You will notice that instead of system performance, Israel, Russia, Syria and other parties like US and Turkey and Iran actually wants to maintain some form of Balance there.  This affects air defense matter beyond the simple one can intercept or not.

The simplest indicator would be why no Syrian air force aircraft doing air patrol.. Any form of working air defense have Fighter Aircraft Elements as the Frontline. Not SAM's.  Syrian airforce are active. But why they are'nt get airborne ? and Israeli ISR are public knowledfe with their path actually mapped.

GarryB wrote:Israel are the kings of sneaky backstabbing attacks without warning... F-22s and Patriots didn't stop attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Centre either.

A cowardly surprise atack against a civilian airport, they hit the terminal building...
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So then that's a confirmation that Russia air defenses can be defeated by surprise attacks ,
done in a cowardly way..  then why then praise them ? if they can't guarantee protection russia territory or any territory they are deployed?  Israel have bombed syria with precision strikes for 7 years already , hundreds of times , with a thousands of bombs and only one plane casualty.

World trade centers was an inside job , that doesn't count .. unless you believe US airforce can't shutdown 3 commercial hijacked planes  , that were flying in prohibited zones.    

but back to the on topic discussion , If Russia air defenses can't even protect their biggest warship in the  black sea , armed with s-300s and many other powerful air defenses ,that was sinked by ukraine ,likely with NATO assitance , then what's the point to continue investing in such vulnerable technology?  For me , there is enough evidence , that russian air defenses have been compromised
and understood how to counter them...  perhaps with jamming , or saturation attacks or hug terrain tactics.. perhaps all of them and more..  So it seems that by the time russia finish deploying their air defenses to cover russian territory in full ,in a year or two , that they will have to be replaced ,by something better , because will become obsolete , to protect russia. that is s-300 and s-400s.
and that they will need much more advanced tech , to deal with air space protection. Like very powerful laser weapons in land and mounted in the air in drones patrolin the skies 24 hours a day,  perhaps rail guns that can't be jammed or electromagnetic pulse strikes to disable and turn off planes and drones and missiles electronics or even fry them, or much more radical things never done done before , like tesla energy fields experiments .

All this pictures of s-300s and s-400s might looks impressive on pictures , but all this things , appears to be reaching the end of its life , can't protect properly syria even after years of russia building the unified network, can't protect russia black sea fleet ,regardless of its range ,and not even russian cities near ukraine. And they become more like something that is better to have it ,than not , bettern than nothing , but still not good enough.   Works great against russian planes , drones and most missiles  but not that great against israel or nato more advanced tactics. and this could explain the "mysterious accidents" in russia accidental detonation of things , in military and scientific instalation..   that russia air defenses are very likely compromised , and understood how to counter them,and ukraine show a few examples of this , targeting for 3 days russian cities with baykatar drones and low flying hellicopters. in what was supposed to be the best defended airspace in the world. Because of so many s-400s and s-300s and others deployed near european borders.  

A Mysterious Explosion Took Place in Russia. What Really Happened?
https://nonproliferation.org/a-mysterious-explosion-took-place-in-russia-what-really-happened/

all this "mysterious explosions" and fires deep inside russia ,all the way to moscow and far east , multiplied by coincidence after Ukraine declareld war on russia , and sucessully strike 3 russian cities , for one week , sending helicopters and drones to bomb russian fuel depots.  The only way they could have done such a thing , is that it was actually NATO the one behind the entire operation.
so there is a big chance all this russian s-300s and s-400s and others have been compromised , and nato found ways to bypass them.  Reason why donetsk continue to be bombed  and russia can't stop it.   perhaps electronic jamming , they found how , or something else.


i personally warned about the unfounded optimism for all this air defenses of russia , that can be
bypassed using tactics ,like saturation attacks , electronic jamming or low flying drones , or even hypersonic strikes with rail guns that russia is doing nothing to counter this..

and proposed years ago ..  something like this..

Tethered aerostat radar system


that is downward looking radars , for low flying aircraft ,but as always the wheelchair "Experts" in the forum correct me , that russia don't need this..    but US military do it , to enhance the security of their airspace between the border of Mexico and US.

For me , it looks that russia is not doing everything it needs to do , to really protect its airspace ,
either not doing or very slow to do anything. and the soviet era generals there , the problem with russia outdated tactics , in wars.

i always felt like Russia is a very outdated and slow thinking nation , and the only thing that just keep their military afloat is their very good scientist  and a handful of people there , but not in top positions.  And most times the best ideas comes from the west , for tech or even military.

NATO appears to be doubling down ,on investing in full airspace and space domination more than anything. and russia is not paying attention..

to this..


and dual purpose military-civilian aircraft.

could be used to steal or sabotage satellites or deploy mines .


and not paying attention to this new tactics in development by the west either.



instead of dropping planes , replace it for small and cheap drones

if for example civilian airliners used to drop hundreds if not thousands of small strike drones at same time , to disable adversaries air defenses in a major war.




So i expect russia military security problems to significantly multiply by 10x fold ,the more the west invest in full airspace and space orbit domination. and more "Accidental detonation of munition" incidents will happen with destroyers sent to the button of the sea.. "by accident".  

So russia better prepare, to significantly boost its Airforce that is under question its poor performance in ukraine ,and boost its presence in the airspace and in space domination
as the west is doing. and for domination of airspace and space , because if russia don't do it , will be sorry later.. as they are now playing catchup with the heavy use of drones versus nato.