Syrian War: News #16

ATLASCUB wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Airman wrote:Trump said US will no longer provide YPG with weapons during phone call with Erdoğan: Turkish FM

United States President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan spoke on the phone on Nov. 24 only days after a Russia-Turkey-Iran summit on Syria, with Ankara saying that Washington has pledged not to send weapons to the People’s Protection Units (YPG) any more.

“President Trump instructed [his generals] in a very open way that the YPG will no longer be given weapons. He openly said that this absurdity should have ended much earlier,” Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told reporters after the phone call

Kurds better GTFO of all areas they occupy south of M4 highway in Syria. SAA is coming their way.

There is probably a deal in there or in the cards. At the very least we should judge on actions, not words at this point.

KiloGolf wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

calm wrote:

And not a single helmet was seen that day.

I am seeing less and less helmets on SAA.

In most cases, helmets only work at protecting the noggin from handgun rounds and shrapnel.  In a lot of these cases, they will get killed either way from whatever they get hit by.  Although, in a lot of cases their noggins can be protected from regular rifle rounds (probably excluding the 7.62 that is used by the AKM's that is in the hands of both sides).

You will notice that helmets are either used by forces because of "it's the standard and has to" to "using helmet mounted optics and comm systems".  You will notice that in a lot of cases all around the world, special forces, mercenaries and what not, are not always wearing helmets.  I remember seeing videos and pictures of US and Canadian forces in Afghanistan not wearing helmets in various ops.

I mean, they could have a surplus of those old soviet steel helmets, but they are useless against anything other than shrapnel.

I'm quite tall and during guard duty and patrols I'd always wear it, that's an M1 helmet with plastic liner beneath. Rules during summer were flexible and everybody else would wear their jockey hat. Often when I served I found my head hitting things like sharp metal crap around warehouses, support cable from telecom masts/light poles, the ceiling of a Land Rover that gave a lift to an elevated guard post or the post's metal struts themselves. So it's good to wear head protection for all sorts of reasons, both during peace and surely when at war.

Another good accessory is shades, preferably military standard. But any protection is good protection. I've seen hot empty casing during live fire exercises hitting an officer right in the eye (from an HK11 firing next to him), he preferred to wear a beret for some reason and no shades. Lucky for him he didn't loose the eye.

I'd think that if any of these lads that ride MBTs and IFVs hobo style, looses their balance and falls head first on the ground/rocks. I guess it'd help a tiny bit to have head protection.

miketheterrible wrote:Well, generally wearing helmets when sitting inside something like an MBT or IFV is ideal.  Even those old soviet caps.  Our GWagons were a pain in the butt and I am also a tall guy so hitting your head at the door wasn't uncommon.  But I am just talking of foot soldiers in general.  Im just referring to regular foot soldiers in most cases.  As for eye protection, its common now to wear something, basic safety goggles (yellow tint ones) were becoming common too, even if uncomfortable to wear.

miketheterrible wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

calm wrote:

And not a single helmet was seen that day.

I am seeing less and less helmets on SAA.

In most cases, helmets only work at protecting the noggin from handgun rounds and shrapnel.  In a lot of these cases, they will get killed either way from whatever they get hit by.  Although, in a lot of cases their noggins can be protected from regular rifle rounds (probably excluding the 7.62 that is used by the AKM's that is in the hands of both sides).

You will notice that helmets are either used by forces because of "it's the standard and has to" to "using helmet mounted optics and comm systems".  You will notice that in a lot of cases all around the world, special forces, mercenaries and what not, are not always wearing helmets.  I remember seeing videos and pictures of US and Canadian forces in Afghanistan not wearing helmets in various ops.

I mean, they could have a surplus of those old soviet steel helmets, but they are useless against anything other than shrapnel.

Visc wrote:
US-made missiles seized from ISIS by Syrian Army in Deir Ezzor – video


BEIRUT, LEBANON (1:30 A.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) confiscated a large cache of weapons left behind by the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) before they fled Deir Ezzor City last month.

According to a military report, the Syrian Army was combing through the Al-Arfi and Al-Hawiqah districts of Deir Ezzor when they uncovered a large weapons cache that was left behind by the Islamic State.

Among the weapons uncovered by the Syrian Army were several American-manufactured missiles that the Islamic State was planning on using to defend their positions inside the provincial capital.

The Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) released footage of this weapons cache on Saturday – please see below:

https://cdnm.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/amn_4qZiPUXJypIWLVx9M1WILBPL4oKDwfEt.mp4

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-made-missiles-seized-isis-syrian-army-deir-ezzor-video/

Militarov wrote:

Visc wrote:
US-made missiles seized from ISIS by Syrian Army in Deir Ezzor – video


BEIRUT, LEBANON (1:30 A.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) confiscated a large cache of weapons left behind by the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) before they fled Deir Ezzor City last month.

According to a military report, the Syrian Army was combing through the Al-Arfi and Al-Hawiqah districts of Deir Ezzor when they uncovered a large weapons cache that was left behind by the Islamic State.

Among the weapons uncovered by the Syrian Army were several American-manufactured missiles that the Islamic State was planning on using to defend their positions inside the provincial capital.

The Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) released footage of this weapons cache on Saturday – please see below:

https://cdnm.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/amn_4qZiPUXJypIWLVx9M1WILBPL4oKDwfEt.mp4

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-made-missiles-seized-isis-syrian-army-deir-ezzor-video/

To be honest, very little of the shown items are US made. There is more Yugoslavia built things there, and it ceased to exist decades ago.

eehnie wrote: To be honest, is the same. It is well known how the US is purchasing weapons in Eastern Europe to send to the Middle East.

Big_Gazza wrote:

eehnie wrote: To be honest, is the same. It is well known how the US is purchasing weapons in Eastern Europe to send to the Middle East.

You are correct. The US buys weapons thru 3rd parties from ex-Warsaw Pact nations, then transport them thru Turkey and Jordan and into the hands of their "moderate" terror groups. Alternatively, they sell advanced weapons (like TOW-2) to US client states, and they distribute to their supported jihadi factions.

The US keeps itself separated from the action by several levels of proxies. Its all part of Plausible Deniability.

miketheterrible wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

calm wrote:

And not a single helmet was seen that day.

I am seeing less and less helmets on SAA.

In most cases, helmets only work at protecting the noggin from handgun rounds and shrapnel.  In a lot of these cases, they will get killed either way from whatever they get hit by.  Although, in a lot of cases their noggins can be protected from regular rifle rounds (probably excluding the 7.62 that is used by the AKM's that is in the hands of both sides).

You will notice that helmets are either used by forces because of "it's the standard and has to" to "using helmet mounted optics and comm systems".  You will notice that in a lot of cases all around the world, special forces, mercenaries and what not, are not always wearing helmets.  I remember seeing videos and pictures of US and Canadian forces in Afghanistan not wearing helmets in various ops.

I mean, they could have a surplus of those old soviet steel helmets, but they are useless against anything other than shrapnel.

I'm quite tall and during guard duty and patrols I'd always wear it, that's an M1 helmet with plastic liner beneath. Rules during summer were flexible and everybody else would wear their jockey hat. Often when I served I found my head hitting things like sharp metal crap around warehouses, support cable from telecom masts/light poles, the ceiling of a Land Rover that gave a lift to an elevated guard post or the post's metal struts themselves. So it's good to wear head protection for all sorts of reasons, both during peace and surely when at war.

Another good accessory is shades, preferably military standard. But any protection is good protection. I've seen hot empty casing during live fire exercises hitting an officer right in the eye (from an HK11 firing next to him), he preferred to wear a beret for some reason and no shades. Lucky for him he didn't loose the eye.

I'd think that if any of these lads that ride MBTs and IFVs hobo style, looses their balance and falls head first on the ground/rocks. I guess it'd help a tiny bit to have head protection.

Well, generally wearing helmets when sitting inside something like an MBT or IFV is ideal.  Even those old soviet caps.  Our GWagons were a pain in the butt and I am also a tall guy so hitting your head at the door wasn't uncommon.  But I am just talking of foot soldiers in general.  Im just referring to regular foot soldiers in most cases.  As for eye protection, its common now to wear something, basic safety goggles (yellow tint ones) were becoming common too, even if uncomfortable to wear.

par far wrote:Very highly unlikely this happens but it is being discussed.

"CHINA MAY DEPLOY SPECIAL FORCES TO COUNTER TURKISTAN ISLAMIC PARTY IN SYRIA – REPORTS."

https://southfront.org/china-may-deploy-special-forces-to-counter-turkistan-islamic-party-in-syria-reports/

par far wrote:Very highly unlikely this happens but it is being discussed.
"CHINA MAY DEPLOY SPECIAL FORCES TO COUNTER TURKISTAN ISLAMIC PARTY IN SYRIA – REPORTS."
https://southfront.org/china-may-deploy-special-forces-to-counter-turkistan-islamic-party-in-syria-reports/

par far wrote:Very highly unlikely this happens but it is being discussed.

"CHINA MAY DEPLOY SPECIAL FORCES TO COUNTER TURKISTAN ISLAMIC PARTY IN SYRIA – REPORTS."

https://southfront.org/china-may-deploy-special-forces-to-counter-turkistan-islamic-party-in-syria-reports/

par far wrote:"MYSTERIOUS WARPLANES TARGET THE TURKISTAN ISLAMIC PARTY IN NORTHERN IDLIB COUNTRYSIDE."

"While some Syrian opposition activists claimed that US-led coalition warplanes conducted the airstrikes against the TIP, others believe that the Russian Air Force was behind it. especially that the TIP is currently supporting Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) military operation against the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in the northern Hama countryside.

However, Syrian opposition figure Bassam Jaara claimed on twitter that the airstrikes on the TIP positions were conducted by the Chinese Army.

“The targeting of the Turkistan [TIP] in Jisr al-Shughur by aerial bombardment clearly means that the Chinese special forces began their military operations in Syria!” Jaara wrote on twitter."




It may have been the Chinese but I still don't buy into the notion that China will Ground Troops or Special Forces to Syria. When I think of the Chinese military, I think of paper Tiger.

https://southfront.org/mysterious-warplanes-target-turkistan-islamic-party-northern-idlib-countryside/#disqus_thread

d_taddei2 wrote:

par far wrote:"MYSTERIOUS WARPLANES TARGET THE TURKISTAN ISLAMIC PARTY IN NORTHERN IDLIB COUNTRYSIDE."

"While some Syrian opposition activists claimed that US-led coalition warplanes conducted the airstrikes against the TIP, others believe that the Russian Air Force was behind it. especially that the TIP is currently supporting Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) military operation against the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in the northern Hama countryside.

However, Syrian opposition figure Bassam Jaara claimed on twitter that the airstrikes on the TIP positions were conducted by the Chinese Army.

“The targeting of the Turkistan [TIP] in Jisr al-Shughur by aerial bombardment clearly means that the Chinese special forces began their military operations in Syria!” Jaara wrote on twitter."




It may have been the Chinese but I still don't buy into the notion that China will Ground Troops or Special Forces to Syria. When I think of the Chinese military, I think of paper Tiger.

https://southfront.org/mysterious-warplanes-target-turkistan-islamic-party-northern-idlib-countryside/#disqus_thread

Also forgot to mention it could be turkey but I highly doubt chinese airforce involvement and it's a bit late in the war to start getting involved to that level. This terror group hasn't just appeared it's been there for years.

par far wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

par far wrote:"MYSTERIOUS WARPLANES TARGET THE TURKISTAN ISLAMIC PARTY IN NORTHERN IDLIB COUNTRYSIDE."

"While some Syrian opposition activists claimed that US-led coalition warplanes conducted the airstrikes against the TIP, others believe that the Russian Air Force was behind it. especially that the TIP is currently supporting Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) military operation against the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in the northern Hama countryside.

However, Syrian opposition figure Bassam Jaara claimed on twitter that the airstrikes on the TIP positions were conducted by the Chinese Army.

“The targeting of the Turkistan [TIP] in Jisr al-Shughur by aerial bombardment clearly means that the Chinese special forces began their military operations in Syria!” Jaara wrote on twitter."




It may have been the Chinese but I still don't buy into the notion that China will Ground Troops or Special Forces to Syria. When I think of the Chinese military, I think of paper Tiger.

https://southfront.org/mysterious-warplanes-target-turkistan-islamic-party-northern-idlib-countryside/#disqus_thread

Also forgot to mention it could be turkey but I highly doubt chinese airforce involvement and it's a bit late in the war to start getting involved to that level. This terror group hasn't just appeared it's been there for years.

Very true, I think these were probably US or Turkish planes, killing leaders of the terrorist group that know too much.
 

par far wrote:...................

Very true, I think these were probably US or Turkish planes, killing leaders of the terrorist group that know too much.
 

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:...................

Very true, I think these were probably US or Turkish planes, killing leaders of the terrorist group that know too much.
 

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